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matt1147

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hey,

My co-worker is wanting me to help him in getting a computer so i said i can help him out in that. And I came up with two differnat computers, and I would like to get some input on them. He mentioned he did not want to spend too much money on a computer, and he is going to be using this computer for general use. internet use along with maybe some movie watching. Also I tried making the two computers so that they would be able to run vista on them, so if he got one of those computers, he wanted to get vista down the road. he wont need a totalyl new computer. Heres the computers;

The cheaper priced one:

Amd Athlon 64 3200+ Venice 2.0Ghz Socket 939 CPU 2000 HT FSB, 512k L2
Asus A8V-E SE VIA K8T890 Socket 939 Mainboard, 4DDR-400, 1xPCI-Ex16, 2xPCI-Ex1, 3xPCI, 4xEIDE,
2xSATA 150, 8Ch Audio, Gigabit LAN, 6xUSB2.0, 2000 HT FSB, ATX
Kingston HyperX 512MB (2x256MB) PC3200 400Mhz DDR Memory Kit, Dual Channel optimized w/Aluminum Heat Spreader
Western Digital 250GB 7200rpm ATA100 Hard Drive 8MB Buffer
Sapphire Radeon X1300 256MB DDR PCI-Ex16 Graphics Card - VGA, DVI, Video-Out
Antec SmartPower 2.0 400w ATX Power Supply
LG 52x32x52x IDE CDRW Drive - White
3.5" 1.44MB Floppy Disk Drive - White
APEVIA X-Discovery Metal Case - Silver
17" LG L1752TX-SF LCD - 1280x1024 8ms 1600:1, VGA, DVI, Silver


And heres the pc i recommend:

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice 2.0Ghz Socket 939 CPU 2000 HT FSB, 512k L2
Asus A8V-E SE VIA K8T890 Socket 939 Mainboard, 4DDR-400, 1xPCI-Ex16, 2xPCI-Ex1,
3xPCI, 4xEIDE, 2xSATA 150, 8Ch Audio, Gigabit LAN, 6xUSB2.0, 2000 HT FSB, ATX Kingston HyperX 1GB (2x512MB) PC3200 400Mhz DDR Memory Kit, Dual Channel
optimized w/Aluminum Heat Spreader - CL2-3-2-6
Western Digital 250GB 7200rpm ATA100 Hard Drive 8MB Buffer
Sapphire Radeon X1300 256MB DDR PCI-Ex16 Graphics Card - VGA, DVI, Video-Out
Antec SmartPower 2.0 400w ATX Power Supply
APEVIA X-Discovery Metal Case silver
17" LG L1752TX-SF LCD - 1280x1024 8ms 1600:1, VGA, DVI, Silver
LG 52x32x52x IDE CDRW Drive - White
3.5" 1.44MB Floppy Disk Drive - White
LG H22N 18x Dual Layer DVD +/-RW - White


What do you guys think about these computer for his purposes and being vista ready?
 
if he wants a budget Vista Ready PC he's better off buying a dell as it will be a heck of alot better value than anything you could build.
 
I'm an AMD fan to but if I was spending money today it would be on a Core 2 Duo.

Also why didn't you at least go AM2 and use DDR2? DDR RAM is expensive and will continue to get more expensive.

I'd also spend the extra 20 or so bucks and get a 19 inch LCD.
 
i chose the 939 socket casur thats what i got, and i seem pretty happy with my pc. i just wanna get a better video card and a dual core prossesor lol
 
matt1147 said:
i chose the 939 socket casur thats what i got, and i seem pretty happy with my pc. i just wanna get a better video card and a dual core prossesor lol
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just get him a dell as it will be cheaper and faster than anything you could build and what about a budget is it $500, $1000, $1500?
 
tisb0b said:
just get him a dell as it will be cheaper and faster than anything you could build and what about a budget is it $500, $1000, $1500?
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he never said a specific amount. woould i haveto go online to get that dell or where would i go t ocheck that dell out?
 
Feel free to go through the crap of dells customize thingy below is what I came up with, but with a budget of 1k you could build a nice C2D system which I will try to do now :)



and here it is :)

processor: $192 Intel e6300 C2D
motherboard: $100 Foxconn P9657AA-8KS2H
ram: $95 1gig stick Wintec Ampo DDR667
graphics card: $130 ($110 AR) EVGA 7600GT
hard drive: $95 320gb Seagate
DVD Burner: $32 Samsung 18x DVD Burner
case: $60 Antec SLK3000B
Power supply: $52 XCLIO Goodpower 500w
Monitor: $215 ($190 AR) Chimei 939D 19" WS 1440x900
OS: $110 Windows XP MCE 2005 w/Vista Upgrade coupon
TOTAL=$856 ($811 AR)
 
tisb0b said:
Feel free to go through the crap of dells customize thingy below is what I came up with, but with a budget of 1k you could build a nice C2D system which I will try to do now :)



and here it is :)

processor: $192 Intel e6300 C2D
motherboard: $100 Foxconn P9657AA-8KS2H
ram: $95 1gig stick Wintec Ampo DDR667
graphics card: $130 ($110 AR) EVGA 7600GT
hard drive: $95 320gb Seagate
DVD Burner: $32 Samsung 18x DVD Burner
case: $60 Antec SLK3000B
Power supply: $52 XCLIO Goodpower 500w
Monitor: $215 ($190 AR) Chimei 939D 19" WS 1440x900
OS: $110 Windows XP MCE 2005 w/Vista Upgrade coupon
TOTAL=$856 ($811 AR)
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I don't think he considers $1,000 cheap for a computer.

::confused:
 
While dell might be cheaper, I doubt the quality would be as good (assuming you know what you are doing). But then, some people don't give two shits as to whether or not their case is metal or plastic.

That said, if you build it, go with no less than 1 gb ram. I'd use either AM2 (since DDR2 can be had for cheaper than DDR1) or get a core2 duo. I am an AMD fan as well, but blind sighted brand loyalty is foolish when it comes to processors. You should get the most bang for your buck, period. Then again, AMD does offer very cheap processors (comparatively) now. While a 3000+ may not perform on-par with a core2duo, it will be quite a bit cheaper, at least last I checked. You can also get the cheapest x2 and still be ahead (I think, check the pricing).

If on a tight budget, AMD may be a better choice. If he is willing to spend a bit less than a grand, then a core2duo would probably be the best choice.

One last thing - if you are buying a monitor, look into some cheap 19" monitors. The price difference between 17" and 19" LCD monitors is quite marginal now, and it is worth the extra $20, even if the native resolution is the same, imho.
 
matt1147 said:
What do you guys think about these computer for his purposes and being vista ready?
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They are crap. First thing wrong is that they are Socket 939. Socket 939 is dead and DDR RAM prices are going up, not down. That means your buddy's upgrade choices down the road will not be so good.

Second thing wrong is the VIA chipset motherboard. Lose it, go with a nVidia, ATi, or ULi. Scratch ULi, nVidia is doing the same thing to us ULi owner that they did to 3dfx owners 7yrs ago.

3rd thing is they are AMD. Do your buddy right and leave behind your fanism and throw him system together using the Core 2 Duo. The E6300 are very will priced and will blow the doors off what you have here. It will also use DDRII RAM which has a future.


If I were in your shoes, I would just show him www.dell.com. You don't want to get caught in the loop of tech support for someone elses junk. And with Dell, you usually get a monitor, printer, keyboard and shit that all matches and works just fine for what your buddy wants to do which means more to his type then the amount of milliseconds the monitor is rated at.
 
Met-AL said:
They are crap. First thing wrong is that they are Socket 939. Socket 939 is dead and DDR RAM prices are going up, not down. That means your buddy's upgrade choices down the road will not be so good.

Second thing wrong is the VIA chipset motherboard. Lose it, go with a nVidia, ATi, or ULi. Scratch ULi, nVidia is doing the same thing to us ULi owner that they did to 3dfx owners 7yrs ago.

3rd thing is they are AMD. Do your buddy right and leave behind your fanism and throw him system together using the Core 2 Duo. The E6300 are very will priced and will blow the doors off what you have here. It will also use DDRII RAM which has a future.


If I were in your shoes, I would just show him www.dell.com. You don't want to get caught in the loop of tech support for someone elses junk. And with Dell, you usually get a monitor, printer, keyboard and shit that all matches and works just fine for what your buddy wants to do which means more to his type then the amount of milliseconds the monitor is rated at.
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QFT I wanted to say that but then I didn't want to be a bastard and get flamed xD
 
tisb0b said:
QFT I wanted to say that but then I didn't want to be a bastard and get flamed xD
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Look at it this way, I care enough about the OP to just lay it out there. The blunt truth with no sugar coating.

And Dell does make a pretty darn nice computer nowdays, especially at the target that he is looking at. The days of building your cheapskate friends and relatives computers and saving them tons of loot are over with. Unless they want some powerhouse of a PC, your NewEgg prices can't compete with Dell/HP.
 
Okay... other than the obvious reasons already stated. AMD is more based on a single heavy duty app (like gaming) than multiple apps or office / internet (which is what your friend is doing correct?) So Intel would win that no matter what. Why would you build a PC for your friend using your own !!!!!!ism opinions to dictate what he receives, even if it is less beneficial and less cost effective.

Secondly... what the hell?

The first two computers you listed are EXACTLY the same except for TWO things... the first one has 2x256mb of ram and no dvd drive. The second one has 2x512mb of ram with a dvd drive... THAT'S IT! That's the ONLY difference. Why would you list all of the other crap as well that has no relevance to what you are asking? Not to mention the DVD drive difference makes NO difference at all in performance.

I mean, it's a no brainer really... why even ask between the two? If he wants to watch DVD's go with the second one, if not, then the first. But even then, it'd be better to have more RAM, and to run Vista, well, you will definitely need at least 1gb of it.

And the fact that you were thinking about putting those PC's together is laughable when you have the ability for just a little more money to increase performance ten fold.

I'm sorry, I'm being mean, and this isn't needed. But I just get like this little thing in my head that just goes off and I immediately have to vent out whenever a nonsense comment is made. Especially a string of them, with terrible spelling/grammar.
 
No offense altec_tech, but the grammar in your post isn't much better.

Matt1147, what will your co-worker be using his new PC for? Is it for personal use or business? Does he game or require a powerful video card? These are questions you must ask yourself.

If he is the "average Joe" and will probably be using it for minuscule things such as checking bank statements online, typing up reports, etc, then you want to get him something cheap and reliable. Many of the new Dell computers meet this requirement (as long as the user doesn't mess it up :)).

If he requires a 3d workstation or cares about quality components over price, then a custom build might be the better choice. Either do it yourself or go to somewhere like www.ibuypower.com if you are afraid of being a techie-on-call from then on.
 
tisb0b said:
Feel free to go through the crap of dells customize thingy below is what I came up with, but with a budget of 1k you could build a nice C2D system which I will try to do now :)

and here it is :)

processor: $192 Intel e6300 C2D
motherboard: $100 Foxconn P9657AA-8KS2H
ram: $95 1gig stick Wintec Ampo DDR667
graphics card: $130 ($110 AR) EVGA 7600GT
hard drive: $95 320gb Seagate
DVD Burner: $32 Samsung 18x DVD Burner
case: $60 Antec SLK3000B
Power supply: $52 XCLIO Goodpower 500w
Monitor: $215 ($190 AR) Chimei 939D 19" WS 1440x900
OS: $110 Windows XP MCE 2005 w/Vista Upgrade coupon
TOTAL=$856 ($811 AR)


ya go with this system! nice for a budget.
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DarkenReaper57 said:
No offense altec_tech, but the grammar in your post isn't much better.

Matt1147, what will your co-worker be using his new PC for? Is it for personal use or business? Does he game or require a powerful video card? These are questions you must ask yourself.

If he is the "average Joe" and will probably be using it for minuscule things such as checking bank statements online, typing up reports, etc, then you want to get him something cheap and reliable. Many of the new Dell computers meet this requirement (as long as the user doesn't mess it up :)).

If he requires a 3d workstation or cares about quality components over price, then a custom build might be the better choice. Either do it yourself or go to somewhere like www.ibuypower.com if you are afraid of being a techie-on-call from then on.
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he wont be needing an gaming machine or anything like that. And no offence to anyone but i had had some family members buy a dell from their site and in the end they wernt too happy with it, and they thought my pc was a lot better lol so i would prefer to custom build a pc for him. heres a AM2 configuration, what do you think?



AMD Athlon 3200+ Orleans Socket AM2 64bit CPU, 2.0Ghz, 512k L2
ASUS M2V Via K8T890 Socket AM2 Mainboard, 4xDDR2-800/667/533, 1xPCI-Ex16, 1xPCI-Ex1, 4xPCI, 4xEIDE, 2xSATA150 RAID, 2xSATA300, 1xeSATA300 (shared), 6Ch Audio, Gigabit LAN, 8xUSB2.0, 2000 HT FSB, ATX
Corsair XMS2 Xtreme 1GB (2x512MB) PC2-6400 800Mhz DDR2 Memory Kit - Dual Channel optimized w/Aluminum Heatspreaders - CL5-5-5-1
Western Digital 250GB 7200rpm ATA100 Hard Drive 8MB Buffer
Sapphire Radeon X1300 256MB DDR PCI-Ex16 Graphics Card - VGA, DVI, Video-Out
Antec SmartPower 2.0 400w ATX Power Supply
APEVIA X-Discovery Metal Case
17" LG L1752TX-SF LCD - 1280x1024 8ms 1600:1, VGA, DVI, Silver
LG 52x32x52x IDE CDRW Drive - White
3.5" 1.44MB Floppy Disk Drive - White
LG H22N 18x Dual Layer DVD +/-RW - White
 
matt1147 said:
he wont be needing an gaming machine or anything like that. And no offence to anyone but i had had some family members buy a dell from their site and in the end they wernt too happy with it, and they thought my pc was a lot better lol so i would prefer to custom build a pc for him. heres a AM2 configuration, what do you think?
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If you're not willing to listen to advice then why did you post here? Having said that, I would suggest building something around a motherboard with integrated graphics like a Geforce 6100/6150, I've built an AM2 rig on the ECS C51GM-M and it is a very nice motherboard for the price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135010

Do you think he really needs DDR2-800 RAM? 667 is cheaper and single core AM2 processors don't support DDR2-800 anyway. Corsair Value RAM is always a safe choice. Does he really need a CD drive and a dvd burner? The dvd burner will burn CDs as well.

Oh, and Why buy an IDE hard drive when SATA drives are just as cheap, if not cheaper?

Why weren't they happy with Dell? It's pretty difficult to beat their prices in the sub-$700 price point, and once you have the hardware it's a simple matter to reinstall a fresh copy of windows and configure it as needed.
 
1) forget socket 939. it's dead
2) what does your "preference" for AMD have to do with anything? don't you want to build him the best computer for his buck?
3) forget AMD, and get a core2due processor. spend his money wisely.
4) if you wanted dual core, none of the chips you selected in your post are dual core. :confused:
5) don't buy IDE HDDs, get SATA. Western Digital has some 16mb cache options that are priced very nicely. no need to use 8mb cache.
6) stick with mobo chipsets that are more common like nForce or ATi.
7) don't get an xclio PSU. get a good name brand like CoolMax, Enermax, Antec etc. make sure it's a dual 12v rail.


i'm not so sure you should be building a computer for anyone. it sounds like you're not really up to speed on parts, brands and specs, and still have a lot of research to do.

have you ever built a computer before?

i'd suggest you let your friend buy a dell, or find someone else to build this rig.

$0.02

zv

[EDIT] i saw you suggested and AM2 build, why would you prefer a cpu that is less efficient, uses more power, and has less upside capability? :confused:
 
zero_vertical said:
[EDIT] i saw you suggested and AM2 build, why would you prefer a cpu that is less efficient, uses more power, and has less upside capability? :confused:
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He might be able to squeeze in an e4300, but otherwise a Core 2 system would be over his budget (it seems like he would like to spend about $500-600). There are no Core 2 CPUs at the $75 price point. If he wants dual core then he'll have to pony up the $130 for an X2 3800+.

CPU Power requirements aren't really an issue when you're talking about budget PCs. Core 2 kicks ass at the enthusiast level, but for a really cheap PC AMD is still a contender. Intel can't win at every price point.
 
get him this core2duo system if you want to save money don't buy him a monitor or an OS supply them yourself. The amd 3200+ is crap and you seem incapable of listening to some advice because your still on your own little planet with the fairy's. It seems to me you don't want to buy your co-worker a better computer than the one you have because of some pitiful social reason/heirachy. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I invite you. Below is the core2duo system I posted earlier.

processor: $192 Intel e6300 C2D
motherboard: $100 Foxconn P9657AA-8KS2H
ram: $95 1gig stick Wintec Ampo DDR667
graphics card: $130 ($110 AR) EVGA 7600GT
hard drive: $95 320gb Seagate
DVD Burner: $32 Samsung 18x DVD Burner
case: $60 Antec SLK3000B
Power supply: $52 XCLIO Goodpower 500w
Monitor: $215 ($190 AR) Chimei 939D 19" WS 1440x900
OS: $110 Windows XP MCE 2005 w/Vista Upgrade coupon
TOTAL=$856 ($811 AR)
 
-=Antimatter=- said:
If you're not willing to listen to advice then why did you post here? Having said that, I would suggest building something around a motherboard with integrated graphics like a Geforce 6100/6150, I've built an AM2 rig on the ECS C51GM-M and it is a very nice motherboard for the price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135010

Do you think he really needs DDR2-800 RAM? 667 is cheaper and single core AM2 processors don't support DDR2-800 anyway. Corsair Value RAM is always a safe choice. Does he really need a CD drive and a dvd burner? The dvd burner will burn CDs as well.

Oh, and Why buy an IDE hard drive when SATA drives are just as cheap, if not cheaper?

Why weren't they happy with Dell? It's pretty difficult to beat their prices in the sub-$700 price point, and once you have the hardware it's a simple matter to reinstall a fresh copy of windows and configure it as needed.
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im not saying im not listening to the advise, but they were saying and i see how slow their pc was. But they would alwyas have problems, along with their pcs becoming very laggy and they were not happy in how dell was treating them about it.
 
tisb0b said:
get him this core2duo system if you want to save money don't buy him a monitor or an OS supply them yourself. The amd 3200+ is crap and you seem incapable of listening to some advice because your still on your own little planet with the fairy's. It seems to me you don't want to buy your co-worker a better computer than the one you have because of some pitiful social reason/heirachy. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I invite you. Below is the core2duo system I posted earlier.

processor: $192 Intel e6300 C2D
motherboard: $100 Foxconn P9657AA-8KS2H
ram: $95 1gig stick Wintec Ampo DDR667
graphics card: $130 ($110 AR) EVGA 7600GT
hard drive: $95 320gb Seagate
DVD Burner: $32 Samsung 18x DVD Burner
case: $60 Antec SLK3000B
Power supply: $52 XCLIO Goodpower 500w
Monitor: $215 ($190 AR) Chimei 939D 19" WS 1440x900
OS: $110 Windows XP MCE 2005 w/Vista Upgrade coupon
TOTAL=$856 ($811 AR)
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is those in american dollars or canadian?
 
zero_vertical said:
1) forget socket 939. it's dead
2) what does your "preference" for AMD have to do with anything? don't you want to build him the best computer for his buck?
3) forget AMD, and get a core2due processor. spend his money wisely.
4) if you wanted dual core, none of the chips you selected in your post are dual core. :confused:
5) don't buy IDE HDDs, get SATA. Western Digital has some 16mb cache options that are priced very nicely. no need to use 8mb cache.
6) stick with mobo chipsets that are more common like nForce or ATi.
7) don't get an xclio PSU. get a good name brand like CoolMax, Enermax, Antec etc. make sure it's a dual 12v rail.


i'm not so sure you should be building a computer for anyone. it sounds like you're not really up to speed on parts, brands and specs, and still have a lot of research to do.

have you ever built a computer before?

i'd suggest you let your friend buy a dell, or find someone else to build this rig.

$0.02

zv

[EDIT] i saw you suggested and AM2 build, why would you prefer a cpu that is less efficient, uses more power, and has less upside capability? :confused:
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honestly no im trying to get up to speed with everything, and what does a dual 12v rail do compared toa single 12v rail. And The only pc that i really tired building before was my own.
 
matt1147 said:
im not saying im not listening to the advise, but they were saying and i see how slow their pc was. But they would alwyas have problems, along with their pcs becoming very laggy and they were not happy in how dell was treating them about it.
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Well it isn't Dell's fault these people do not know how to own a PC. Owning a PC is more then just having one, you need to take care of it. What are the specs on their Dells that they own already? Maybe they just need some housecleaning like some malware removal and not new hardware.

Oh, and think about this...in 6 months or so, they are gonna be just as unhappy with you as they are with Dell right now. People like this run a PC into the ground and bitch at the company that sold it. Do you want to be on the receiving end of this? My advise, send them to a store, Dell, etc and get as far away as possible. This is a big risk with no return for you.
 
My two cents:
I look at computer components in "tiers".

AMD Athlon 939 / Pentium 4 were in a tier long ago
Then they got replaced by AMD x2 and Pentium D in the next tier
Then those got whacked by Core duo, in a tier all alone
Then those moved quickly out by AMD AM2 and Core 2 Duo in another tier

Long story short, you NEVER want to build a new PC with components that are 4 tiers old......

Long story long: AMD 939 was awesome. I had a 4000+ and I loved it, in fact, it would probably still be good enough. However, when Vista hits, then DX10 hits, and internet speeds keep going up (Comcast hit 12m/s down 3 up I think) more and more power will be needed, We don't know what will happend in three years, but it's a safe bet that a computer invented this year will do better than one invented two years ago.

Also, newegg has a Sapphire x1900gt for $154. Not much more expensive than an x1300, but it is at least 2 tiers above the x1300. I'd use that card in a budget non-gamer build as it should easily handle any internet/Vista graphics for 3-5 years. Again, no guarantees.
 
-=Antimatter=- said:
He might be able to squeeze in an e4300, but otherwise a Core 2 system would be over his budget (it seems like he would like to spend about $500-600). There are no Core 2 CPUs at the $75 price point. If he wants dual core then he'll have to pony up the $130 for an X2 3800+.
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well i don't (and i don't think anyone does - he hasn't stated) what his budget is.

you can put together and E6400 system for less than $800, sans monitor. if you aren't focused on only the most highly regarded parts, you can do even cheaper.

if he's looking for a system for $500, his best bet is Dell. you can't beat their pricing for performance at that level or below (or at least it becomes close enough to not bother trying)

Look, I'm a huge AMD fan (look at my sig!) but that doesn't change the fact that when my Dad asked for help with a new PC, and his budget was sub $1000, (which i consider a relatively lower budget), i didn't think twice about AM2 versus C2D. he's going to get a lot longer life out of his system, with upgradability for years to come with state of the art product.

zv
 
It's just not really worth building at that price point. There is no value added from judicious selection of components, and at that price point you are buying about-to-be-abandoned parts. There will be no support from anywhere, including forums like this.

you forgot to add an OS. Unless you want to hear him say "arrrrrrrrr me hearties, I caught me a keylogger and ads are eatin' me screen after I downloaded that there bloomin' keygen" you need to buy one. Get this and whatever size LCD he decides he can afford. It has more than a year of anti-virus so he won't fry his computer with spyware like we know he's going to.

If he's going to go under $500, at least get a Pocket PC so he can play "hack the neighbor's wi-fi" with it.

hp D4650E - total $879

Add $50 for a 19-inch monitor (after rebate.)

Operating System Genuine Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005

Processor AMD Athlon(TM) 64 X2 4200+ dual-core - 2.2GHz

Memory 1GB DDR2-533MHz dual channel SDRAM (2x512)

Hard Drive 160GB 7200 rpm SATA Hard Drive

Primary CD/DVD Drive LightScribe 16X DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive

Front Productivity Ports 15-in-1 memory card reader, 2 USB, 1394, audio

Networking No Modem

TV & Entertainment Experience No TV Tuner w/remote control

Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 7300LE, w/ TurboCache

Sound Card Integrated 7.1 channel sound w/front audio ports

Keyboard and Mouse HP Keyboard, HP Scroller Mouse

Productivity Software Microsoft(R) Works 8.0/Money 2006/MSN Encarta Plus

Security Software Norton Internet Security(TM) 2007 - 15 Months
 
Asus M2NBP-VM CSM Motherboard - $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131072
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor 65W - $133.00
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103733
Antec Sonata II w/ 450w PS - $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811129155
Corsair XMS2 2x512mb DDR2 675 - $109.00
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820145539
Seagate 7200.10 320gb HD - $94.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822148140
Samsung 18x DVD Burner - $30.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827151136

Grand total=$542.96 before shipping

You will still have to get Windows, but you could save a little money on the RAM and Hard drive if you wanted to go even cheaper. If he wanted to spend $100-$200 more dollars I would recommend a Core 2 Duo, but at this price, AMD's are hard to beat.
 
You at least want a dual core man, trust me, its too cheap to go any other way.

dotcapone has the right idear :)
 
I'm not trying to be mean, but this guy is just ignorant and stupid. This is what I think, I guess I'm entitled to my own opinion.

Just stop helping this guy. Most help you can give him is to do his own research on computers, and let his friend buy a computer from dell. If his friend is dumb enough to let this guy build him a pc, it is his loss.
 
altec_tech said:
I'm not trying to be mean, but this guy is just ignorant and stupid.
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No he is not stupid, he is just learning. He came here for advice, and although, he resisted a little with saying he wanted to stay with AMD since he has one himself and likes it, he was still involved with the thread and that points to a non-stupid person.

A stupid person would have never asked the question, a ignorant person would never have been aware there was something to ask.
 
zero_vertical said:
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i like dotcapone's build too. There's something dirty about reccomending an AMD system right now, but i like it. o_O
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LOL. I know what you mean, but at that price I just couldn't build a Core 2 Duo system. And if it is just office work, no encoding or gaming, he wouldn't notice much difference, plus he still has the multi-tasking ability since it is dual core.
 
matt1147 said:
he wont be needing an gaming machine or anything like that. And no offence to anyone but i had had some family members buy a dell from their site and in the end they wernt too happy with it, and they thought my pc was a lot better lol so i would prefer to custom build a pc for him. heres a AM2 configuration, what do you think?



AMD Athlon 3200+ Orleans Socket AM2 64bit CPU, 2.0Ghz, 512k L2
ASUS M2V Via K8T890 Socket AM2 Mainboard, 4xDDR2-800/667/533, 1xPCI-Ex16, 1xPCI-Ex1, 4xPCI, 4xEIDE, 2xSATA150 RAID, 2xSATA300, 1xeSATA300 (shared), 6Ch Audio, Gigabit LAN, 8xUSB2.0, 2000 HT FSB, ATX
Corsair XMS2 Xtreme 1GB (2x512MB) PC2-6400 800Mhz DDR2 Memory Kit - Dual Channel optimized w/Aluminum Heatspreaders - CL5-5-5-1
Western Digital 250GB 7200rpm ATA100 Hard Drive 8MB Buffer
Sapphire Radeon X1300 256MB DDR PCI-Ex16 Graphics Card - VGA, DVI, Video-Out
Antec SmartPower 2.0 400w ATX Power Supply
APEVIA X-Discovery Metal Case
17" LG L1752TX-SF LCD - 1280x1024 8ms 1600:1, VGA, DVI, Silver
LG 52x32x52x IDE CDRW Drive - White
3.5" 1.44MB Floppy Disk Drive - White
LG H22N 18x Dual Layer DVD +/-RW - White
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OK Here's some questions.

1. Why use Corsair XMS2 Xtreme, There's no point to spending extra on memory if he's not going to overclock.

2. Yet again !!!! VIA chipset, go for ATI or Nvidia chipsets.

3. Why are you using ATA100 (PATA) Hard drive get a SATA.

4. No Windows Licence, if you planning on installing linux fair enough however in your installing XP or Vista (AND YOU INSTALL IT) you liable your classed as a system builder and you will be responcible when microsoft catch up with you.

I've never built a system for anyone without a valid license (Unless it's linux - generally I get them a support contract for linux, not my speciality but as a professional I allways ensure that every machine I build I can say It's supported for upto a year - (and hey most cleints renew the contract after a year and I take my cut)).

In all honest opinion (I've been building machines for the past 15 Years), I would just put up what he's wants to use the machine for and his budget. there are alot of guys here like me who have been building machines for along time.

and if I was getting a machine for someone without monitor or keyboard or any of the other stuff I would probably tell them to go here www.dell.com because they are not likley to be the type of people that even know what they want to use the PC for, and dell can pretty much undercut everyone now.

The only people I deal with usally slot into the following groups. There are a few first time nutters but they usally want me to come in and sort everything out. Desk, Power, Internet, computer, monitor, mouse. I love them they make me loads of money.

People Wanting Data Redundancy.
Gamers.
People Needing Vast amounts of processing power (A few mates are biological scentists and I build all their machines for them)
People needing vast amounts of storage.
People wanting to connect their home to the PC.

BTW sorry for the bad spelling and grammer I was up till 4am GMT on a support call.
 
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