Bon Jovi: Steve Jobs 'Killed' The Music Business

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  1. WWCephas

    WWCephas [H]Lite

    Apr 12, 2009
    All this talk about low fidelity MP3 cracks me up.

    Yeah I really miss the scratches and pops of records, or my tapes getting eaten or stretched. 95% of steroes were crap back in the day and you could not afford the nice ones.

    It is awesome to carry all your music on a drive the size of my thumbnail, to enjoy whenever and wherever I want with no errors in playback.

    I quit buying cd's in the 90's just before mp3 came out because I was tired of the crap they were producing. When Itunes came along I stated buying again, because I had control over what I was getting, and now I spend at least as much as I used to a year on music as I did when I was young. So in my book, Itunes is the only thing keeping the music industry afloat (concerts non-withstanding).
  2. BigYoSpeck

    BigYoSpeck Limp Gawd

    Mar 4, 2011
    I agree with the compressed arguement, for me lossless is almost essential and I just won't bother with less than 320kbps MP3.

    But 16bit audio is far from lame, it's the loudness war that kills the quality of audio, there are 16bit recordings out there that are mixed and mastered right with the insane concept of dynamics left in that make your ears melt, bumping up to 24bit would be no different when everything is brickwalled into the top few bits and so far as sample rate is concerned, well that's right up there with premium cables in so far as a proving a fool and their money are soon parted.
  3. Phatal

    Phatal Limp Gawd

    Aug 11, 2004

    I play in a Blues band with a little classic rock thrown in and people eat it up. Kids will always buy what they're "forced" to listen to by the radio and music industry, but there is a very large population of music fans that have become ignored. There is good music out there, but those that control the market don't seem to care.
  4. IvRak

    IvRak n00b

    Feb 2, 2008
    Allthough I don't agree at all with everything that Jon says, I think he's onto something in one direction.

    Back when I was young, I went out and bought complete albums, and because these where expensive, this happened once a month at most, in reality i probably bought 6-12 albums a year.

    Because I did this, i listened to them a lot of times, either on repeat or on shuffle. On most albums, the tunes I didn't like at first turned out to the best of the whole album. Some tunes took 10-20 listens before they showed their true value to me. Many of these tunes had never been played on radio, and I wouldn't know they existed, if I hadn't had to listen through my albums as much as I did.

    Today I listen once to a short blib of each song, and if it doesnt catch my ear immediatly, I discard it. This is bad, because I now I miss some great tunes, because they don't get the chance and time they need.

    Sometimes I still buy complete albums, and it allways ends up being a song that is not played on radio, and often one I don't much like from the start, that ends up being the greatest tune on the album.

    This, I think, is the experience to which Jon is referring.

    The rest where he blames Steve Jobs, is a great oversimplification of the problem, which in my view lies more with the record companies focusing on radio hits more than trying to make good albums. The loudness war of recent years is a prime example of where record companies have gone wrong IMHO.
    If they had focused on the quality of the whole product instead of trying to make fast hits and fast money, they wouldn't be where they are today.
  5. grizzed

    grizzed Limp Gawd

    Jan 24, 2006
    Having grown up in the 80's and being forced to listen to the 'industry approved' artists I say THANKS for killing the Music Business. If Jobs is responsible for killing the business, I'll blame bon jovi for killing MUSIC.
    Along with - Air Supply, Chicago, Michal Jackson, The Boss, New Kids, Hair Bands

    SO many many crappy groups were forced into the limelight because of that great music business.
  6. Eulogy

    Eulogy 2[H]4U

    Nov 9, 2005
    Way to generalize, and be wrong at the same time :). I grant you one internet, as your fail caused some lulz here.
  7. Drudenhaus

    Drudenhaus 2[H]4U

    Sep 27, 2005
    I thought piracy killed the music business?
  8. OEM

    OEM [H]ard as it Gets

    Jun 15, 2005
    I can't stand Steve Jobs and his arrogance, but this is just an absurd claim.
  9. SamuraiInBlack

    SamuraiInBlack [H]ardness Supreme

    Oct 10, 2003
    I stopped buying CDs at retail when I realized if I wanted worthless crap on a circular piece of plastic, I could just stock up on AOL CD's.
  10. kmoed

    kmoed n00b

    Apr 27, 2005
    You nailed it right on the head. That experience is lost. Which is a shame, but the artists and record companies are just as much to blame for that going away.
  11. Seventyfive

    Seventyfive [H]ard|Gawd

    Jul 14, 2004

    Musicians used to be able to crap out 3 good songs and 12 filler songs and sell that album with some flashy cover art. Now people only pay for the good songs. This is a terrible situation for lazy and talentless hacks everywhere!
  12. Saturn_V

    Saturn_V [H]ard|Gawd

    Sep 24, 2008
    Empire Records was on TV last nite (90s comedy about an indy record store) and I really wondered if I actually missed buying music like that. Spending hours broswing thorough racks, listening stations, all the while getting hammered in the ears by music I didn't like. Hell, I even remember thumbing through LPs and their super-duper album art and we had no clue to what was actually inside (outside the currently aired single)

    Don't miss that at all. And I still buy CDs too.
  13. Ibanezfoo

    Ibanezfoo Gawd

    Feb 3, 2005
    He forgot the part where you walked out of the record store with your cassette or CD with its fancy artwork, put it in your car stereo, and suffered a near lethal dose of buyers remorse. The contents are now open, you cannot go back into the store and get your money back. The record company and/or the artist tricked you into buying something you thought would be great but instead you wind up with crap music and $15 album artwork. Now you are less likely to go mow more lawns to earn enough money to buy another album, having been tricked already. ;)

    I buy more music nowdays that I can actually hear what I'm buying before hand. I could give two craps about the album artwork. And I'm old by todays standards! :D
  14. DocFaustus

    DocFaustus 2[H]4U

    Sep 22, 2002
  15. Azhar

    Azhar Fixing stupid since 1972

    Jan 9, 2001
    Seems like "a bottle of vodka is [still] lodged in [his] head, [Steve Jobs] gives [him] nightmares, [he] thinks [he's] still in [his] bed. As [he] dream about [music] they won't make [for him] when [he's] dead."
  16. spacing guild

    spacing guild [H]ard|Gawd

    Dec 9, 2010

    QFT Napster killed the music business... Steve jobs took the model and made it profitable.
  17. SirKronan

    SirKronan [H]ardness Supreme

    Dec 7, 2007
    I don't think you can point a finger at any one "specific" cause for killing the music industry, an industry still making substantial profits. Perhaps he means the way we purchased and appreciated music albums in the past has died, and that would be partially true. People want instant gratification and can now enjoy music almost instantly by purchasing their albums or songs from the internet. I also like the ability to preview all the songs before buying the album. That protects my wallet, and I for one, appreciate that particular change to the way we get music now.

    If an entire album sounds good, I still prefer to go buy the CD, but how often does that happen now? I purchased both Evanescence albums, all three albums by 10 years (the second one was not as good as the first, but their third was amazing, in my opinion.) I have no problem paying for a real CD if it's full of good music, regardless of the genre.

    There are advantages and disadvantages to the way we do it now, but technology is in the present and in the future.

    Adapt or DIE. :p
  18. wtburnette

    wtburnette 2[H]4U

    Jun 24, 2004
    Steve Jobs helped change the way the industry did business, but it has a long way to go. Songs are still priced too high, catalogs of songs that are available on one service aren't on another, sound quality could be better, etc. The problem with the music industry (like most industries) is that they are beyond greedy. They don't want to make good profits, they want to make grotesque profits. They also don't want to change their business model even when the old model no longer makes any sense at all. I'm looking forward to a day when I can get any song I want, in good fidelity, for a reasonable price, from multiple sources. That day isn't here yet, though Zune Pass actually comes close. There are too many songs/artists that are missing and the price would sell better, or at least be a better value if it was $9.99 a month instead of $14.99 a month. I like the ability to stream any music I want (that they have) without buying it. I really wonder why the service isn't more popular.
  19. Methadras

    Methadras [H]ardness Supreme

    Dec 19, 2000
    Bon Jovi is an idiot. Steve Jobs saved your career. Stop pumping out crap and you will have a whole new audience to enjoy your 'art'.
  20. ryken

    ryken 2[H]4U

    Jan 28, 2009
    If by "killed the music industry" he means killed the big name profit margins because now everyone can access the music they want instead of having big record companies force bland generic music (read: Bon Jovi) down our throats, then I'd have to agree.
  21. Thug Esquire

    Thug Esquire [H]ard|Gawd

    May 4, 2005
    Diamond did, actually. The Diamond Rio PMP-300. Powered by one AA battery with a battery door that just broke after awhile.
  22. LeninGHOLA

    LeninGHOLA Vladimir Hayt

    Aug 26, 2009
    Who the hell is Jon Bon Jovi? Steve Jobs invented digital compression for songs? Don't you pay for music on iTunes, rather than just download masses of MP3's like I used to in the mid-late 90's? Has Bon Jovi heard today's top 40 list? Bon Jovi looks like a weird, eyebrowless freak.
  23. ClearM4

    ClearM4 2[H]4U

    Oct 5, 2005
    Impluse buyers are for cell phone contracts now, not music. Move on Bon Jovi.
  24. Zarathustra[H]

    Zarathustra[H] Official Forum Curmudgeon

    Oct 29, 2000
    So Bon Jovi is advocating more or less "judging a book by its cover"? :D

    No, Steve Jobs - as much as I love to hate the man - did not kill the music industry.

    Nor did pirates.


    The music industry killed the music industry. They (you included Mr. Jovi :p ) stopped making music anyone wants to pay for. (Some people might argue that Bon Jovi never made anything worth buying in the first place. I would be one of those people)

    End of story.
  25. Enduring_Warrior

    Enduring_Warrior [H]ard|Gawd

    Sep 22, 2004
    I do have an example for you based on history.
    Go back to 1969. The band Santana plays for the first time at a music festival. They played Soul Sacrifice. That band had two members of what will become Journey and they're contemporary to the Beatles, Jimmy Hendrix, Cream, The Who, Led Zeppelin so on and so forth. It was an era of creativity and music was motivated by something else than profits. It was the reason why music became the wholesome industry it came to be later on. Santana was one more in a sea of talent.
    Fast forward to 1999 and the same musician releases SuperNatural. A collaborative album that includes new "artists" as well as old ones. It sweeps in the Grammy Awards and Santana is cherished and worshiped as the next coming of the Messiah.

    The only difference?

    The musical background that the same Musician was creating in. Ergo, the majority of the music industry.
    You can even say that the 1999 Santana sucked compared to the 1969 Santana. Nevertheless when you compare that guy to the rest he kicks all of their asses. That my friend proves that the music industry was sucking then and it has continued to suck. And by industry I mean what's made mainstream.
  26. jiminator

    jiminator Capt Obvious

    Feb 2, 2007
    music industry has been dead for 90 years with the introduction of the record. Used to be you could actually have a career as a musician and entertaining people. Every city had their singers, bands, symphonies, etc. Now music makes money only for the stars, or rather whoever owns their songs. It is a sad state of affairs but not for the reasons he gives.

    I was watching a secret video earlier today that someone took in north korea. There actually was a lady singing on the bus as entertainment for the ride. You would never see that here. That is what has been lost.
  27. grdh20

    grdh20 Gawd

    Feb 19, 2001
    I never did like Bon Jovi's stupid 80's music. What a stupid notion.
  28. Uncle

    Uncle 2[H]4U

    Jun 7, 2004
    Reason why they extended the copyright. The Industry is controlled by Executives, Bean counters, and shareholders, none whom have any taste in music.Thats why they brain wash and influence kids from an early age of 5 and up. Look at all the shows for kids, nothing but a fashion show. Their all half hour infomercials.
  29. mrgstiffler

    mrgstiffler [H]ardForum Junkie

    Dec 20, 2000
    The best quote I heard recent was "The music industry killed itself when it became an 'industry'..."
  30. Taco

    Taco [H]ard|Gawd

    Nov 2, 2001
    Holy shit, what an old and dumb man.
  31. lostinseganet

    lostinseganet [H]ard|Gawd

    Oct 8, 2008
    If the whole album is great it will sell great individually wrapped.
  32. Mr. Wolf

    Mr. Wolf [H]ardness Supreme

    Oct 8, 2006
    Shut up, Jovi. Go make some more awful '80s bubble gum rock, you idiot.
  33. Ibanezfoo

    Ibanezfoo Gawd

    Feb 3, 2005
    Shame that he pulled Sambora along with him... he was actually a good guitar player who wasted his talents on this crap. Made him rich though I guess...
  34. fattypants

    fattypants 2[H]4U

    Mar 3, 2010
    I was going to come make a snide remark, but it looks like [H] has it covered.

    Seriously, though, how blind can he be?
  35. phide

    phide [H]ard as it Gets

    Jun 11, 2004
    Except that isn't true at all. It's a massively competitive field where many fail, but there are many who haven't attained "star" status yet still quite well for themselves.

    That sounds awful. Why would you want that?
  36. lostinseganet

    lostinseganet [H]ard|Gawd

    Oct 8, 2008
    Yet the same could be said for the arcade and its library of games. Back in the 80's man arcades were soo much fun! That is why stuff like PAX is so much fun.
  37. mustang_steve

    mustang_steve c[H]ewbacca

    Jul 28, 2003
    SO Bon Jovi is admitting to producing shit but packaging it nicely? I couldn't agree more....he sucks.
  38. duncansil

    duncansil Limp Gawd

    Nov 16, 2007
    "And the beauty of taking your allowance money and making a decision based on the jacket, not knowing what the record sounded like,"

    Rather than relying on musical talent and personal taste :D

    Seriously, Pandora does a better job than any record label could. This guy is from the dark ages.
  39. gathagan

    gathagan Gawd

    Oct 30, 2004
    You make a very good point, but I don't know as I would use the term "dead".

    Rather, the dynamics of the music industry has changed since the introduction of recording.

    You have to consider that musical careers were very much tied to the wealthy prior to the advent of recording.
    Whether symphony or opera, composers worked for wealthy patrons who, in turn, invited friends to recitals so that they could listen.

    Other musical genres, like ragtime, country, blues, jazz and gospel were very much the music of the poor.

    After Thomas Edison invented the recording process back in the late 1870's, there was now a mechanism to bring music to the masses, especially when coupled with radio in the 1920's.

    It's significant to note that some of the earliest recordedings are from those "low class" musical genres.

    You don't see the musical scenario you paint coming into the picture until the Swing and Big Band eras of the 20's-40's.

    Even then, that type of music was being performed largely for the benefit of those with more disposable income.
    The Benny Goodmans of the world would not have had much of a career without all of those G.I.'s home on leave, with money to burn in their pockets.
  40. Ashbringer

    Ashbringer [H]ardness Supreme

    Jan 25, 2010
    The MP3 killed the music industry, way back in 1997 or 1998 I think. Steve Jobs brought it back from the dead, as a zombie.