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best for HL2

No problem Mr.K6
I dont think of SCCT as a good comparison on the quality of PS3.0 since you cannot directly comapre it to PS2.0b. If it had support for those shaders then I would do two things.
1. Buy the darn game
2. Compare the image quality of the two shaders directly.
I just think Ubisoft Shafted too many people with this PS1.1 and PS3.0 only crap. Even prior Nvidia buyers got screwed in that move... :(
 
yah, on a side note these game producer/chipset producer alliances are getting old. nVidia with its "the way its meant to be played" crap and ATi and Valve just leave a bad taste and everyone's mouths. Manufacturers should make a game to run best on BOTH kinds of cards. But hey, whoever heard of playing fair :rolleyes:
Anyway, sorry for getting off topic, 6800GT would be your best bet though :cool:
 
Mr. K6 said:
yah, on a side note these game producer/chipset producer alliances are getting old. nVidia with its "the way its meant to be played" crap and ATi and Valve just leave a bad taste and everyone's mouths. Manufacturers should make a game to run best on BOTH kinds of cards. But hey, whoever heard of playing fair :rolleyes:
Anyway, sorry for getting off topic, 6800GT would be your best bet though :cool:
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Er, X800XL runs HL2 better, for less.


Why would 6800GT be the best? :confused:
 
No it doesn't, did you not just read the thread?
The newest drivers fix a whole lot of that
 
liljohnny51 said:
I'm in the market for buying a new video card and want to to which one would be best for playing HL 2 at max settings? If you could out me out here that would me great!
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There's only one answer to this question, because it includes "max settings".
The top 3 cards to run HL2 at max settings:
1. 6800U SLI
2. 6800GT SLI
3. X850XT PE

No debate is really necessary? :confused:
 
That review is from Dec 15th, nvidia's drivers for the source engine are much better now. It's the same difference between the 4.8 and 4.9 cat's with ATi for Doom 3, better drivers always help. Also, its the 6800OC that was run at 1280x1024, not the GT, re-read that section. Anyway, this has gotten too far off topic :p
 
Still factor in the price diffrence and the X800XL would win hands down in my book.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
Still factor in the price diffrence and the X800XL would win hands down in my book.
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But he didn't say price was a factor?
knew i fogot to putsomthing sorry i am going with a Intel 3.2 LGA 775,MSI 915G PCI-E motherbored, 1gig ram, and i am looking to spend around 450-500
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Which I missed in my SLI post, so I revise to 1.X850XT 2. 6800U given the criteria.

(although I'd still buy the 6800U to have a more well rounded card)
 
Rollo said:
But he didn't say price was a factor?


Which I missed in my SLI post, so I revise to 1.X850XT 2. 6800U given the criteria.

(although I'd still buy the 6800U to have a more well rounded card)
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Im just curious how it is well rounded? or moreso then the X850XT (PE would be a better choice, if there was no budget)

and SLI is capable on Intel now, if he wants to go that route.

Is this a gaming rig? I know you dont want t hear it, but I suggest AMD for a gaming rig
 
Hate_Bot said:
Im just curious how it is well rounded? or moreso then the X850XT (PE would be a better choice, if there was no budget)

and SLI is capable on Intel now, if he wants to go that route.

Is this a gaming rig? I know you dont want t hear it, but I suggest AMD for a gaming rig
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By "well rounded" Hate_Bot, I mean "not limited by years old technology" or "having more hardware functionality". Make sense?

(i.e. although the ATI cards would be better for HL2, his criteria, they're only marginally better and the 6800U offers soft shadows, EXR HDR, and SM3 to offset the difference)
 
Rollo said:
By "well rounded" Hate_Bot, I mean "not limited by years old technology" or "having more hardware functionality". Make sense?

(i.e. although the ATI cards would be better for HL2, his criteria, they're only marginally better and the 6800U offers soft shadows, EXR HDR, and SM3 to offset the difference)
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Read the SM3.0 post, your precious SM3.0 is useless on current tech, maybe even the R520 and G70 oon single cards.

Just because your card can SUPPORT a feature, doesnt mean it has the power to render all the effects the feature can make.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
Dual SLi 6800 Ultra's.
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Yes I concurr. I just wish my Insurance company would pay me so i can get back my wide screen.

1280x 1024 4x /16x and still not breathing heavey is getting old. I want 1900 x 1200 goodness
 
Hate_Bot said:
Read the SM3.0 post, your precious SM3.0 is useless on current tech, maybe even the R520 and G70 oon single cards.

Just because your card can SUPPORT a feature, doesnt mean it has the power to render all the effects the feature can make.
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It's too bad you are always so wrong Hate_Bot- I'd think just by reading my posts you would have learned something by now.

Watch how easily I totally destroy your argument:

1. SM3 is not useless on current tech, it runs Splinter Cell Chaos theory fine, and provides better image quality than you can see with SM1.1. (the old version of DX you're reduced to playing this game on an ATI card)
2. You don't know there won't be other SM3 only games, the precendent has been set on one of the big games of the year.
 
Rollo said:
1. SM3 is not useless on current tech, it runs Splinter Cell Chaos theory fine, and provides better image quality than you can see with SM1.1. (the old version of DX you're reduced to playing this game on an ATI card)
2. You don't know there won't be other SM3 only games, the precendent has been set on one of the big games of the year.
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Well the reason they don't run SM2.0 on ATi is because the features aren't needed, the only things that are being used in 3.0 over 1.1 is soft shadows, HDR, and I don't remember but there were only around 5. So if I'm right which I may as well not be, turning those features off but still using "SM3.0" in chaos theory will be the same as 1.1? Except for a few precision differences...
...but HL2 is not chaos theory, so maybe the choice goes back to ATi for best HL2 performance and quality. Note he didn't post "best long term card"
 
Sometimes its amazing in here.........

The new Splinter Cell only uses SM3.0 as a speed boost. All the fancy effects it has can be done with SM2.0. Of course you'll never see anyone except a few pointing this out.

No current game uses any features of SM3.0 other than an extremely minor speed boost.

SM2.0 can do everything SM3.0 can, its just that SM3.0 can do it quicker. But this doesnt matter on current hardware anyway. As any current hardware has a hard time even using SM2.0 to its full, in fact, no game does. No card could handle the load.

No current card will be able to handle all the features used in SM2.0/SM3.0. Its a mute point, dont point out SP:CT, because it doesnt use any features of SM3.0. Everything in that game could have been done with SM2.0 with the same effects. EVERYTHING. Its simply that SP:CT dev's got payed some money from Nvidia to support their product better, the retarded dev's of SP:CT dont care about you all with ATI cards, that's why they just jumped over SM2.0, even though it wouldnt have been hard to include it.

So, back to the OP's first question: An ATI card will run CS:S and HL2 the best. At $450 budget get yourself a X850 XT. You'll be extremely happy and you'll have the best performance period in HL2, dual 6800 Ultra's are equal in this game with this card. Why? Because HL2 is CPU limited, maybe in the feature, but both of these set ups already hit the max in this game.

So, go out buy a X850 XT, be happy, and stop listening to all this "future proofing" crap.
 
illgiveumorality said:
Well the reason they don't run SM2.0 on ATi is because the features aren't needed, the only things that are being used in 3.0 over 1.1 is soft shadows, HDR, and I don't remember but there were only around 5. So if I'm right which I may as well not be, turning those features off but still using "SM3.0" in chaos theory will be the same as 1.1? Except for a few precision differences...
...but HL2 is not chaos theory, so maybe the choice goes back to ATi for best HL2 performance and quality. Note he didn't post "best long term card"
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HDR is not part of SM3.0. It can be done with SM2.0, and it will be done with SM2.0 in the Unreal 3 engine.

Once again, SM3.0 does nothing but increase speed over SM2.0.
 
Rollo said:
But he didn't say price was a factor?


Which I missed in my SLI post, so I revise to 1.X850XT 2. 6800U given the criteria.

(although I'd still buy the 6800U to have a more well rounded card)
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Read the new review on the front of [H] for the X850 AGP? Oh yeah, its wins in more games than the 6800 Ultra OC. Yeah, its nice knowing your card is not as well rounded as you think.....
 
Skrying said:
Sometimes its amazing in here.........

The new Splinter Cell only uses SM3.0 as a speed boost. All the fancy effects it has can be done with SM2.0. Of course you'll never see anyone except a few pointing this out.

No current game uses any features of SM3.0 other than an extremely minor speed boost.

SM2.0 can do everything SM3.0 can, its just that SM3.0 can do it quicker. But this doesnt matter on current hardware anyway. As any current hardware has a hard time even using SM2.0 to its full, in fact, no game does. No card could handle the load.

No current card will be able to handle all the features used in SM2.0/SM3.0. Its a mute point, dont point out SP:CT, because it doesnt use any features of SM3.0. Everything in that game could have been done with SM2.0 with the same effects. EVERYTHING. Its simply that SP:CT dev's got payed some money from Nvidia to support their product better, the retarded dev's of SP:CT dont care about you all with ATI cards, that's why they just jumped over SM2.0, even though it wouldnt have been hard to include it.

So, back to the OP's first question: An ATI card will run CS:S and HL2 the best. At $450 budget get yourself a X850 XT. You'll be extremely happy and you'll have the best performance period in HL2, dual 6800 Ultra's are equal in this game with this card. Why? Because HL2 is CPU limited, maybe in the feature, but both of these set ups already hit the max in this game.

So, go out buy a X850 XT, be happy, and stop listening to all this "future proofing" crap.
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that is what i am thinking im going to do i have been looking at itand it looks like a great card for my new rig
 
Hate_Bot said:
X850XT? Good choice
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yeah i think it will work grat for HL2 and for so upcomming games too! i think i will be really happy with my choice. I jsut cant wait to start building it
 
liljohnny51 said:
yeah i think it will work grat for HL2 and for so upcomming games too! i think i will be really happy with my choice. I jsut cant wait to start building it
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What are the rest of the specs?
 
Rollo said:
It's too bad you are always so wrong Hate_Bot- I'd think just by reading my posts you would have learned something by now.

Watch how easily I totally destroy your argument:

1. SM3 is not useless on current tech, it runs Splinter Cell Chaos theory fine, and provides better image quality than you can see with SM1.1. (the old version of DX you're reduced to playing this game on an ATI card)
2. You don't know there won't be other SM3 only games, the precendent has been set on one of the big games of the year.
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PWNAGE!!!! haha (I've been playing alot of cs:s lately) :p
 
Its funny, but Rollo was wrong actually, SM3.0 does nothing for SP:CT except let them show how much Nvidia payed them. Same with how Valve did with ATi for HL2.

Its funny, no dev out there cares really about the consumer. Its whoever company can pay them the most to give them an advantage will fucking the consumer. :D
 
aZn_plyR said:
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PWNAGE!!!! haha (I've been playing alot of cs:s lately) :p
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Yah thats funny, his first argument was for a single game.

OH NOES, ONE GAME DOESNT RUN AS GOOD MUST BUY NVIDIAA!!!!


And SM3.0 will only b the mainstream, not even buy next gen, but probably the gen after that (R620, G90 etc)


On this tech, SM3.0 is a fluff feature.
 
Wow I posted all of this earlier....
About SCCT and then boom somehow people forget about it a page later and we are back to it...
Just want to post this people.

READ!
;)
 
liljohnny51 said:
here hate bot f you did not see before Intel 3.2 LGA 775,MSI 915G PCI-E motherbored, 1gig ram and the X850XT videocard
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Hmm... Is this for gaming? I presume it is, I would suggest AMD for gaming. You wont notice much of a decrease in other aspects/
 
Hate_Bot said:
Yah thats funny, his first argument was for a single game.

OH NOES, ONE GAME DOESNT RUN AS GOOD MUST BUY NVIDIAA!!!!


And SM3.0 will only b the mainstream, not even buy next gen, but probably the gen after that (R620, G90 etc)


On this tech, SM3.0 is a fluff feature.
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Hey, SC:CT is a big game to a lot of people. So the p3wnd fits.

What if another big game is released in 2 months that's SM3 only? What's your arguments then? "Only 2 games"?

But wait- you can't see the soft shadows my buddy (who's been a PC gamer 20 years) raved about the other day in Riddick. So I guess it's already two games.......


Errrrr, forgot- you can't play Far Cry with EXR HDR either, so I guess it's three games you can't see with the modern features the devs put in because you bought a card with 2003 tech? :eek:
 
Rollo said:
Hey, SC:CT is a big game to a lot of people. So the p3wnd fits.

What if another big game is released in 2 months that's SM3 only? What's your arguments then? "Only 2 games"?

But wait- you can't see the soft shadows my buddy (who's been a PC gamer 20 years) raved about the other day in Riddick. So I guess it's already two games.......


Errrrr, forgot- you can't play Far Cry with EXR HDR either, so I guess it's three games you can't see with the modern features the devs put in because you bought a card with 2003 tech? :eek:
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With 2.0b soft shadows are possible.

OpenEXR HDR odes nothing in Far Cry (except maybe making clouds a bit better looking)

Like I said, 3.0 is USELESS on current gen. Like someone said about Pacific Fighters and the water, Even with an SM3.0 card you cant render all that water.


With the G70 or R520 it might be useful, for now its not, Yes 6800Ultra supports SM3.0 and the thousends of shaders its possible, doesnt mean it can RENDER all those effects
 
Rollo said:
Hey, SC:CT is a big game to a lot of people. So the p3wnd fits.

What if another big game is released in 2 months that's SM3 only? What's your arguments then? "Only 2 games"?

But wait- you can't see the soft shadows my buddy (who's been a PC gamer 20 years) raved about the other day in Riddick. So I guess it's already two games.......


Errrrr, forgot- you can't play Far Cry with EXR HDR either, so I guess it's three games you can't see with the modern features the devs put in because you bought a card with 2003 tech? :eek:
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What you blindly see as a feature in SM3.0 has nothing at all to do with it.

HDR? Oh yeah, Radeon's since the 9500's can do that. Its not hard to down rthdribl and see this for yourself. HDR is very much possibly with a card like that, it just hurts performance so much (like it does on the 6800s in Farcry) that its really not that useful. I dont know about you, but I like high FPS and using HDR in Farcry makes me have to lower the res, not use AA, and not be able to at a very high FPS. Once again though, its not a feature of SM3.0, and to do it while maintaining high quality in other area's is pretty much impossible on this gen of cards.

SP:CT...... once again, all those features can be done in SM2.0. But the dev's being the jackass's who care just about money decided to do was just not include it, because if they did Nvidia wouldnt have sholved as much money their way.

SM3.0, its a mute point this gen, no card will be able to support anything it could really add. But you just dont see that. I'm sorry to tell you, but there's no future proofing in computers.
 
Will you two shut up already? Every thread its the same people. Either fucking card is fantastic. If you want the little extras go Nvidia, if you want the absolute fastest frames and benchmarks under a single card, go ATI. What ever is cheaper is the best deal. Now shut up and stop arguing about it. You're not gonna be playing one game some day and go "gee you know i wish i got that other card, this game looks fuckin gross". It just wont happen with either card.
 
Uh, pre-6800 NV owners have to play in 1.1 as well. Why do people make it out as only ATi owners get the shaft with no 2.0? Their laziness with not coding 2.0 into the game is pathetic.
 
fallguy said:
Uh, pre-6800 NV owners have to play in 1.1 as well. Why do people make it out as only ATi owners get the shaft with no 2.0? Their laziness with not coding 2.0 into the game is pathetic.
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well in all fairness to the 5200-5900FX series....it sucked when running full DX9 and they problably would of dropped it down to DX8.1 anyway to give a stable frame rate, especially since theres lots of shadows which is what the FX series really had aweful problems with. So honostly, Nvidia really didnt lose as much. ATI users did since it dented 9600-X850 series since they actually can run full DX9. It was a lame tactic but what you gonna do. It doesnt look ugly or anything. 1.1 is still a capable SM, its all EQ2 uses and that engine can go head to head with an 2.0 out there. May not be as efficiant though.
 
Skrying said:
SP:CT...... once again, all those features can be done in SM2.0. But the dev's being the jackass's who care just about money decided to do was just not include it, because if they did Nvidia wouldnt have sholved as much money their way.

SM3.0, its a mute point this gen, no card will be able to support anything it could really add.
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1. Don't try to make people think I believe SM3 has anything to do with EXR HDR, or OGL 2++ soft shadows, I do not. I do think you can't see either on 2003 chipset of ATI though, because you can't? :p
2. You've proven my argument about SM3 again, THANKS! Yep, developer Ubi took the "easy way out" and coded it for SM3 only because it's the MS standard. Wonder how many other devs will follow suit?
It's not their fault ATI couldn't bring it to market when their competitor has had it for the last year? I'd say ATI are the "jackasses" for conning you all into buying featureless, primitive cards that don't allow you to see games with the eye candy turned on? ;)
 
Hate_Bot said:
With 2.0b soft shadows are possible.
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LOL- who cares? No games have it?

OpenEXR HDR odes nothing in Far Cry (except maybe making clouds a bit better looking)
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Keep telling yourself that, there are plenty of comparison screenshots on the web where people can see the truth?

Like I said, 3.0 is USELESS on current gen. Like someone said about Pacific Fighters and the water, Even with an SM3.0 card you cant render all that water.
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Hmmm. Makes Far Cry and Painkiller run faster on more modern 32 bit video cards, let's us see SC:CT the way it should look.....disagree! It's not useless, SC:CT in SM1.1 looks like a$$. ;)


With the G70 or R520 it might be useful, for now its not, Yes 6800Ultra supports SM3.0 and the thousends of shaders its possible, doesnt mean it can RENDER all those effects
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1. Those of us with SLI think it's pretty possible to get some good shader performance out of current hardware. A look at our 3DMark05, Far Cry, and HL2 scores confirms it? :rolleyes:

Give it up Hate_Bot- trying to argue "ATI is on top, all is well" is like Saddam's butler muttering in the American soup kitchen "He's still the king!". ;)
 
Rollo said:
Give it up Hate_Bot- trying to argue "ATI is on top, all is well" is like Saddam's butler muttering in the American soup kitchen "He's still the king!". ;)
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I dont see how arguing about the usefullness of HDR on current cards has anything to do with me talking about "How ATI is on top" and such.




(both companys are on top, and both companies are good at what they do, and they both make good cards, if you cant realise that then maybe someone else is the fan boy)
 
fallguy said:
Uh, pre-6800 NV owners have to play in 1.1 as well. Why do people make it out as only ATi owners get the shaft with no 2.0? Their laziness with not coding 2.0 into the game is pathetic.
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Just how long are developers supposed to carry people's old hardware at the expense of their time and money? They gave you SM1.1, if you want to see a 2005 game correctly, you have to pony up for a 2004-2005 card?

Are you going to be saying stuff like this in 2006 too? "Those damn guys! They didn't waste their time and money so my primitive video card would play their game like the modern ones! I might have to buy a new card someday!"
 
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