Battlefield 3 General Discussion Thread

Markdek said:
Yeah, but MAV does what?...for who? I don't understand what you can do w/ it.

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On really populated servers people seem to use it mostly to spot enemies (3D spotting and Mini-Map Spotting). I'd imagine for clans that are all on TeamSpeak/Mumble/Vent and communication whoever has the MAV can easily relay enemy positions.

He seems to be on a fairly low player count server and is using it as his personal spy drone to snipe targets and make sure flags are clear before he moves in. This method of play probably wouldn't work on a full 64 player server since it would be too chaotic.
 
flegg said:
Here's why BF3 is broken:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqgVn99Xvec
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LOL. Is that what you are so pissed off about?

It's called griefing. I've seen different iterations of it in every multiplayer game I have ever played. The game IS NOT broken (at least not for this reason). Your common sense is, or you are a bad troll. Common sense would tell you to try a different server, stop using the helicopters, or try playing on clan servers that are well admin'd. Instead you whine about it like a teenage girl on the rag. Plenty of us have encountered it ourselves, and the rest of us have figured out how to deal with it. I have encountered it a lot myself, but doing any of those things above allows me to play just fine. Hell, I blew up randomly on takeoff once, and it turned out that somebody C4'd my plane.

If you want to be proactive about it, get a support class soldier, load him up with C4, then TK the guy in his own AA gun. You should be able to do that to the stationary AA.;)
 
Markdek said:
Yeah, but MAV does what?...for who? I don't understand what you can do w/ it.

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Tagging is disabled in hardcore mode so it's not apparent in the video, but if you were flying it during a normal game. You can pretty much see all enemy activity and tag them en masse. I send it ahead of the squad to check for enemies and tag them. If there are ten enemies spread out over an area, one spot will automatically tag all of them. And as long as you keep it facing them, those guys, will stay tagged. Your teammates know exactly where they are and how many. Also great when partnered with a mortar guy. Likewise, when i'm capturing a flag, i send it up to watch for incoming enemies.

Imagine all of your teammates being able to see the position of all the enemies on their maps. How many are around a flag? Where are they hiding? Where are they concentrating? That's what the MAV does. So if you see an enemy MAV, shoot it. Otherwise, every sniper in the map will see the red triangle hovering above your head.
 
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Finally sorted out my joystick issues. Still with the original MS Sidewinder Precision Pro. Best looking joystick ever made (although I am no joystick expert). It's ten+ years old and still working like a charm.

I could never get the hat switch to work correctly in BF2 but it's working great in BF3.

I'm still having the same stability issues (unable to join reliably and usually crash between rounds), but this is definitely a great BF game.
 
CaptNumbNutz said:
LOL. Is that what you are so pissed off about?

It's called griefing. I've seen different iterations of it in every multiplayer game I have ever played. The game IS NOT broken (at least not for this reason). Your common sense is, or you are a bad troll. Common sense would tell you to try a different server, stop using the helicopters, or try playing on clan servers that are well admin'd. Instead you whine about it like a teenage girl on the rag. Plenty of us have encountered it ourselves, and the rest of us have figured out how to deal with it. I have encountered it a lot myself, but doing any of those things above allows me to play just fine. Hell, I blew up randomly on takeoff once, and it turned out that somebody C4'd my plane.

If you want to be proactive about it, get a support class soldier, load him up with C4, then TK the guy in his own AA gun. You should be able to do that to the stationary AA.;)
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What you're doing is called not knowing what you are talking about. I've seen different iterations of it in every forum and game I have ever been on. Yessir. ;)


Your solution to TK him using C4 is complete nonsense. You can go back and actually read the thread if you want to figure out why the rest of your post has no substance.

And please do give me an example of griefing that is on the same level as being able to shoot down your teammates whenever they run to you for cover and being able to completely lock down the helicopters while being invulnerable. Oh your plane got C4 TKed, yea, TOTALLY the same. You have a minimap you can check. You can't toss c4 50ft in the air. You can have a friend on the other team kill them. If you see someone tossing C4 on their own plane you can ban them. Much harder to tell if an AA turret just purposely shot down a heli that was running away from 5 missiles.

I could go through and list all the forms of griefing I have done and seen in all the games I've played if it will make you feel better that I understand what griefing is. ffs
 
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flegg said:
What you're doing is called not knowing what you are talking about. I've seen different iterations of it in every forum and game I have ever been on. Yessir. ;)

Have you even more than half-read any of the posts in this thread and have you even played BF3? Or do you just love insulting people for the sake of insulting them?

Your solution to TK him using C4 is complete nonsense. You have little understanding of BF3 game-play. You can go back and actually read the thread if you want to figure out why the rest of your post has no substance.

And please do give me an example of griefing that is on the same level as being able to shoot down your teammates whenever they run to you for cover and being able to completely lock down the helicopters while being invulnerable. Oh your plane got C4 TKed, yea, TOTALLY the same. You have a minimap you can check. You can't toss c4 50ft in the air. You can have a friend on the other team kill them. If you see someone tossing C4 on their own plane you can ban them. Much harder to tell if an AA turret just purposely shot down a heli that was running away from 5 missiles.
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Hello Mr. Pot, I'd like you to meet Mr. Kettle.
 
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. said:
Hello Mr. Pot, I'd like you to meet Mr. Kettle.
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Could you try adding to the discussion instead of speaking in idioms?

How am I calling the kettle black?

I don't know what I am talking about? Proof please?

I guess it's pointless to continue trying to understand how being able to hop on a server and instantly make the game completely shitty for at least a 1/3 of your team is not something that needs immediate fixing. I'll just wait until it happens to you guys and then you'll understand.
 
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CaptNumbNutz said:
Are you using it for free look? If so, how?
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Yes. I hold down the free look button and use the hat switch to move my head. I set free look to one of the left handed buttons on the base of the joystick. At first the need to use a free look button annoyed me, but the good thing is your head snaps to center when you let go of free look. I'd rather have a "snap view to center" button but a free look button is a good compromise.

I couldn't get my joystick to work properly until I unplugged the Logitech gamepad I had been using. Try unplugging any other controllers if you're having trouble with setting joystick controls.
 
ballpoint said:
Finally sorted out my joystick issues. Still with the original MS Sidewinder Precision Pro. Best looking joystick ever made (although I am no joystick expert). It's ten+ years old and still working like a charm.

I could never get the hat switch to work correctly in BF2 but it's working great in BF3.

I'm still having the same stability issues (unable to join reliably and usually crash between rounds), but this is definitely a great BF game.
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I would suggest using a controller for the double-sticks since yawing is very important. 360 controller is the most common choice. I use a logitech 510 but I'm not sure I like it too much (it's ok though). Most people I talked to that tried a joy went back to mouse/keyboard.
 
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flegg said:
have you even played BF3?
You have little understanding of BF3 game-play.

And please do give me an example of griefing that is on the same level as being able to shoot down your teammates whenever they run to you for cover and being able to completely lock down the helicopters while being invulnerable.
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Yes. I have played BF3. FOR SEVERAL HOURS. Try using battlelog and search for my soldier name. I'm under the same handle, CaptNumbNutz. When you do that, you might also notice my veteran status. You might even check out bfbcs.com for my Bad Company 2 stats under the same soldier name. I've also got a BF2142 and BF2 soldier under Fubar42.

So I do know wtf I'm talking about. I also know that you are not the first person to whine about the griefing in a battlefield game, I've seen it all the way back in BF1942. Yes, that aspect needs to be fixed. The game is not broken. Broken implies unplayable, which it certainly is not. The problem you mention is but a trifle, and can easily be remedied by going to decent servers that are well administrated.

Until that miniscule issue is fixed, please quit whining about it. A single post saying "this sucks" is sufficient, no need to post large bold font and greatly exaggerating an issue. Suck it up soldier, several of us have shown you how to remedy the situation. We have experienced it ourselves, but we can only sympathize so much. If you continue to whine about it and won't at least attempt to try what we have suggested, you will get no sympathy from us. Plenty of us can go to well admin'd servers and not deal with that problem, so you can too. The problem is not on every server, and is not as widespread as you think. Have you considered that someone might be trolling you ingame? Maybe you said something in chat to piss them off?

ballpoint said:
Yes. I hold down the free look button and use the hat switch to move my head. I set free look to one of the left handed buttons on the base of the joystick. At first the need to use a free look button annoyed me, but the good thing is your head snaps to center when you let go of free look. I'd rather have a "snap view to center" button but a free look button is a good compromise.

I couldn't get my joystick to work properly until I unplugged the Logitech gamepad I had been using. Try unplugging any other controllers if you're having trouble with setting joystick controls.
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Thanks for the tip! :cool:
 
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Great, so a veteran told me to TK an AA turret with C4.

How do I prove or even find out who TKed me if they jump out of the AA turret when I crash? And I tried your solution. [H]ard large man is still empty. I guess I have to keep trying until I find a server with good active admins that isn't empty and plays the maps/modes/player count I want to play.

You know what I see when I look at your stat page? Under 1300 points for both helicopters. So yes, you haven't played BF3 helicopters. I'm service star 3 in helicopters. That's about 180x more experience in helicopters to do the math for you. I'm done discussing with you how "trivial" of an issue friendly heli tipping is.

Don't use a joystick use a controller.
 
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flegg said:
I would suggest using a controller for the double-sticks since yawing is very important. 360 controller is the most common choice. I use a logitech 510 but I'm not sure I like it too much (it's ok though). Most people I talked to that tried a joy went back to mouse/keyboard.
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I've just gone from F710 controller (basically a PS3 controller for PC) to joystick and I much prefer joystick, thanks. I can yaw with the joystick's yaw axis (twist the handle), which is analog. In BF2 I used two of the left-hand buttons because I didn't like twisting, but I've already noticed twisting works a bit better in BF3...

I'll never fly with a mouse/KB if I can help it.
 
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. said:
On really populated servers people seem to use it mostly to spot enemies (3D spotting and Mini-Map Spotting). I'd imagine for clans that are all on TeamSpeak/Mumble/Vent and communication whoever has the MAV can easily relay enemy positions.

He seems to be on a fairly low player count server and is using it as his personal spy drone to snipe targets and make sure flags are clear before he moves in. This method of play probably wouldn't work on a full 64 player server since it would be too chaotic.
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i have more kills with the mav than with any weapon
 
antok86 said:
what joystick is recommended for bf3?
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I use a Logitech Extreme 3D pro. It works great for such a cheap stick. It's my second one, my original one lasted 5 years before it wore out. I used it nearly every day for BF2 and BF2142.
It works great without having to install the logitech software. If you want to do button combinations and macros with it, install the software.

If you want a quality stick that will last nearly forever, get a CH products stick and throttle.

The Xbox360 controller for windows also works really well. Plus you can use it for racing games, emulators (with 3rd party software). It isn't a bad buy either. I use mine all the time.
 
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CaptNumbNutz said:
I use a Logitech Extreme 3D pro. It works great for such a cheap stick. It's my second one, my original one lasted 5 years before it wore out. I used it nearly every day for BF2 and BF2142.
It works great without having to install the logitech software. If you want to do button combinations and macros with it, install the software.

If you want a quality stick that will last nearly forever, get a CH products stick and throttle.
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i want one for bf3 just to fly
 
Wildace said:
i have more kills with the mav than with any weapon
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I mean for the lone wolf type of gameplay that was shown in that particular video, "Recon via MAV, move forward, Recon via MAV again, Move forward", wouldn't work as well when there are a bunch of people running around potentially shooting your while you are controlling the MAV or constantly shooting it down.
 
Anybody have a tough time play w/ "stranger" on public match making Co-Op on normal......can't get through games w/ most strangers.....no way to talk to them either without "friending" them......just stupid.
 
Markdek said:
Anybody have a tough time play w/ "stranger" on public match making Co-Op on normal......can't get through games w/ most strangers.....no way to talk to them either without "friending" them......just stupid.
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Yeah I've been in a few games where the person playing had NO fucking clue what they were doing. And im not just saying "new to BF3" I mean new to FPS gaming.

Besides not having voice chat in co op and at least in squad based ... making it such that "if I don't hit the space bar at JUST the right time" the mission is over (co op) is retarded.

Jumping into multiplayer games is fun, but I know im missing out on lots of fun being the "lone wolf" and not having a functioning and cohesive squad I can communicate with.

Makes me want to join a clan so I can at least have competent people I can voice chat with to let them know what's going on.

At the very least so I don't have to stop what I'm doing and actually type out "hey i need ammo" only to be either 1) ignored or 2) killed in the process.
 
Wildace said:
:D

its funny seeing people in global type, "why am i dying from nothing?"
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People are so goddamn oblivious to anything that isn't directly in front of them in this game, like some form of crippling tunnel vision. Once I literally ran circles around an enemy LAV and it took him about 30 seconds to notice I was there.
 
Besides the annoying BF3.exe crashing and the eyefinity problems, I think I finally "get" BF3. It really doesn't try to be a competitive FPS, just there for a bit of fun. I was laughing pretty hard last night on a server in which the highest point guy on the other team just sat on top of a mountain insta-killing people half a map away with a slug-fed shotgun and IRNV scope. That made me realize that there is no way to take BF3 seriously.

I think the way BC2 was setup, a good player or two could really have an impact on the win/loss. In BF3, that applies much less, especially on 64-player servers. After leveling up an Engineer some and unlocking some stuff, been having a lot of fun, especially driving armor and killing other armor.

Now they just need to fix some BF3.exe crashing for some of us and fix the eyefinity/surround problems. Anyone else notice in eyefinity/surround the sun glare and weapons blinding is way worse than single screen? Maybe that is why it is so incredibly annoying as it is a double dose of stupid for us eyefinity/surround users.
 
I tried BC2 yesterday after almost 2 weeks[of BF3 BS] and enjoyed it quite well.My last hope is for the RTK pack[which i doubt will be any different].I guess this COD style gameplay isnt my type.For the rest of everyone enjoying this game,,have fun
 
I've got about 10 hours in, been playing mostly Assault class in 64 player Conquest servers. What's everyone's favorite setup? Mine is:

m416 with suppressor/grip/IRNV
m1911 tactical
medic kit
defib
ammo spec

On Metro I'll bust out the grenade launcher and spam like an asshole, but I usually skip that map. The IRNV is easymode, and I'm about to unlock the F2000 so I look forward to playing with that thing.
 
flegg said:
You don't play much BF3 then. Happens in almost every server just not as blatantly as this.
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It doesn't happen in almost every server, I've actually never seen it in almost 30 hours of BF3 so far(and I saw it twice in almost 700 hours of BC2, where the exact same thing was possible).

flegg said:
One person could lock down all the helicopters on his team in BF2 in addition to blowing up his own tanks and jets on the side? Only one person griefing in that video.
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In BC2 they could, absolutely. Blowing up stationary unoccupied tanks isn't unique to the AA though, an engineer could be a dick and use his RPG to blow up all the vehicles before anyone could get in them. Knocking down friendly vehicles while friendlies are *in* them is what's unique to the AA(and maybe C4 I guess, but as mentioned, you can check the helicopter for C4 before you take off, you'll see the icon on the minimap).

If you're experiencing this all the time then maybe you just have terrible luck, I don't know, but to think that the reason the rest of us haven't experienced it is because we don't "play much BF3" is nonsense; You really think you have more playtime than everyone posting saying "I don't see this happen" combined? Get over it.
 
Colonel Sanders said:
That's weird, I tried to run it into enemies several times and it never killed them, just passed right through them. :confused:
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Which is what it ought to do, because it's far too small and agile to be awarded roadkills. Not to mention the fact that the operator can be perfectly safe and hidden in his spawn, unlike the UAV in BC2 which was A) much larger and easier to shoot, B) much less agile and therefore easier to shoot, and C) had to be operated from a relatively vulnerable location, requiring that watch your back for enemies approaching the UAV station or get knifed.

The fact that someone can get kills in BF3 while sitting safely in their spawn where nobody can get them is pretty stupid. I've only been killed by the MAV once, but it just seems like a really dumb game mechanic that DICE probably just didn't think about before implementing.
 
flegg said:
You know what I see when I look at your stat page? Under 1300 points for both helicopters. So yes, you haven't played BF3 helicopters. I'm service star 3 in helicopters. That's about 180x more experience in helicopters to do the math for you. I'm done discussing with you how "trivial" of an issue friendly heli tipping is.
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If you are service star 3 in helicopters, then it doesn't sound like the griefing has had such a huge impact on your ability to fly the helicopter - otherwise how would you have so much time in it? Maybe try some other aspect of the game for a while until everyone gets tired of screwing with the guys hogging the helicopters all the time.
 
Markdek said:
Anybody have a tough time play w/ "stranger" on public match making Co-Op on normal......can't get through games w/ most strangers.....no way to talk to them either without "friending" them......just stupid.
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Yeah, see my earlier co-op rant a few pages back, lol.

Regarding the 360 controller, does it have a default Spot and/or freelook button/axis? So far that's the only thing I don't like about it for flying.
 
Markdek said:
Anybody have a tough time play w/ "stranger" on public match making Co-Op on normal......can't get through games w/ most strangers.....no way to talk to them either without "friending" them......just stupid.
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Maybe people are worse compared to the first week, but I didn't. I started out on "hard" for coop, and did the chopper mission on the first try (my first mission actually), and everything else other than Exfiltration on the second try. All my coops been done on with pubs, I still have some missions to complete on "easy" and I've unlocked up to the M39 EMR (actually why I wanted to do coop, just so I could start off unlocking 1 gun regardless of team with recon).
 
fochkoph said:
Aww that's a shame. I've a little bit over half way to unlocking it and have been looking forward to it since I'm totally done and dusted with Engineer. What's bad about? I'm assuming damage, but how's the recoil? Accuracy?
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Yeah I was looking forward to it too since my buddy has a SG556 IRL and I really like the gun.

Stopping power is the main thing, but it didn't excel over the M4's in recoil or accuracy either. Other than just having another thing to unlock, I don't see any real reason to use it.
 
Deploy menu up, click on squad member, click depl....(squad member dies)...spawns at main base...#$%*!!!

Frustrating...
 
Spewn said:
You really think you have more playtime than everyone posting saying "I don't see this happen" combined?
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Yep I do actually! And you could not kill every helicopter before someone got in it with an RPG during vehicle respawns. Whereas it's absolutely impossible to use a helicopter if there is an AA turret near it and he decides to be a dick in BF3. Did you watch the youtube?

How many hours do you have on helicopters, 0.01?
 
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flegg said:
Yep I do actually! And you could not kill every helicopter before someone got in it with an RPG during vehicle respawns.
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Actually, since in BC2 helicopters died from a single rocket rather than needing at least two in BF3, you could absolutely kill them before anyone could get in them. If that didn't work, you could knock them out of the sky with the AA EXACTLY as you can in BF3.

But at this point, if you're willing to say that you have more time in BF3 than *everyone in this thread combined*, I'm just going to assume you're trolling; Why else would you experience this problem more than anyone else? You're a troll, so people knock you out of the sky, get used to it I guess.
 
I said more combined than everyone who said they have never experienced it. Not everyone in the thread.

And how are you supposed to notice it if you are running around on the ground doing objectives? You're missing or just blatantly ignoring quite a bit of the point here. The problem isn't just with people who sit there and blatantly tip over every single helicopter. It's how it's so easy to do; you can just hop in it really quick and spam somebody down. Would you like me to make a video where I tip over 5 helicopters in one game without anybody knowing and the people blame it on " lag" "oh sorry my mouse screwed up" "wow the server messed up" "wow bf3 is glitchy" "my binds are off." Most people don't even "notice" what happened to them even after it happens 2-3 times in a row.

So all these people that are saying "like omg, no big deal I never see that happen when I play so you are just crazy" are not convincing me of shit. I've seen countless friendly heli tips where the people in the heli had no idea it was a TK. Many of them aren't even necessarily malicious, like when the AA has nothing to shoot at and out of boredom shoots at his own team.

When you fly the heli and you flip over for no apparent reason, it is almost always an AA Turret, a mobile AA, or a Jet on your team. To really notice it you have to fly the heli.

So if you really want to go there, then yes, I am pretty damn confident I have more hours/points in the attack helicopter than everybody else in this thread combined. Considering I can back up much of what I say with videos and stats, I should be the one saying you are trolling. As far as BC2 AA, I don't know, I didn't start flying until BF3 and wasn't that into BC2 in general because I had nobody to play it with at the time. I really would be surprised if there was an AA turret that could easily tip over every heli on almost every single heli map in BC2 considering how ridiculous that is.
 
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Apprently you can't reverse thrust on jets like in BF2. Although I guess in practice you wouldn't use this.
 
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