Back to XP64 for me!

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Amazing how many Server 2003/XPx64 haters there are out there. Have any of you used it for any length of time?

I hear 'oh noes, it is old' - but the benchmarking I did showed the old dog still runs stable, if not faster. To me, this is what matters most.

I hear 'drivers, lol' - but most of the premium boards out there have drivers as well as the major video card players. Sure, there might be some odd ball thing out there, but... the 99% of drivers you need are there. (I'll also make sure the hardware supports Linux as well, which can be a bit more work at times) When I bought hardware, I had 100% driver support.

I hear 'old IE noob, you are owned' - I only wish I could live in a world where IE6 could just fracking die. Why anyone would use IE for anything other than Windows Update is beyond me.

I hear 'old OS noob, you are owned' - Unlike the retarded 32-bit version, Server 2003/XP64 is quite solid and fairly easy to lock down, as far as any Windows based OS goes. I still see 10 to 1 server 2003 vs 2008 server at customer sites. The same tricks work as a workstation. As long as it gets patched, it is still a viable option.

Performance for the older OS is still solid. It is older but also chews up fewer resources. If you run virtual machines all day and need to also be in a Windows environment, it is rock solid. I've found that XP64 behaves better with troublesome DRM / older games better than the Win7 compatibility mode. YMMV.

Missing out on newer cuts of DirectX is a bit of an unfortunate loss.
 
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mathewmatics said:
I waited a long time to try 7. I messed with it on many customer machines but any tech running XP fully tweaked will have a hard time leaving it for anything soooooo....I waited a long time.

Well I installed it....played with it for a few days....and now back to XP64 on SSD...seems faster to me and I saw no reason to stick with 7...... DX9.0c -vs-DX11 didn't bother me at all and I see no reason to have a OS sit idle on over 700MB of RAM.
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Ignorance is bliss. :rolleyes:
 
Heelix, you are not comparing apples to apples, nor are you applying the same logic to the OPs uses.
 
heelix said:
I hear 'old IE noob, your owned' - I only wish I could live in a world where IE6 could just fracking die. Why anyone would use IE for anything other than Windows Update is beyond me.
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And this is where living in the past and dealing with outdated OSes is where you're missing the new stuff. IE 9 is a very good browser and it works very well on touchscreen Windows devices. IE 6 is ten years old like XP and both are WELL past their prime.

heelix said:
Missing out on newer cuts of DirectX is a bit of an unfortunate loss.
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No DX 11, no multi-monitor, no 3D. XP is useless for modern PC gaming. These threads are just hilarious. It's like people have been doing the same stuff with their computers for ten years and haven't even bothered to take a look at anything modern. If all you're doing is looking at boot times and RAM usage no wonder some get stuck in the past. You simply have no idea what Windows 7 can really do because you've not even bothered to use it beyond irrelevant boot and memory testing.

Enjoy while you can, XP has held on but once Windows 8 goes into beta developers aren't going to give a rats ass about a ten year old OS that no one has bought in retail for half a decade. There are going to be focusing on Windows 7/8 and touchscreen devices which leaves XP high and dead.
 
Apparently, all you (mathewmatics) know about an OS is what you can see. There are a lot of under the hood changes in Vista and 7, improved kernel that work better with multicore systems, improved stability from e.g. moving some drivers to user space, and things like security, where XP does not have modern 0-day protection like Vista and 7 have. I know, I know, the first thing you're going to say in a pavlov like fashion is that you never caught malware, well you != everybody, for the gereral population, the sooner XP dies the better, because it's security is crap at this point in time. People using XP are much more likely to have malware and to be in botnets because of lack of security. Here is a part of the stuff that was added in Vista that makes it more secure than XP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_and_safety_features_new_to_Windows_Vista That's why Windows 7 and Vista are modern OSes, and XP is not. MS could have just worked to lower boot times and memory usage, and got a fantastically fast booting low memory using OS, and pleased less sophisticated people like yourself. That would have been totally retarded however.
 
So XP Pro x64 is better for one person for one specific use, according to you. Why make a thread about it then? Obviously because you want to cause an avalanche effect with your 'moving' testimonials about XP Pro x64 that causes as many people as possible to use it as well, I wasn't born yesterday. And XP Pro x64 is not a good OS for the general user, period. If it were really just about you and your sys, you should be content to run it and accept that the mainstream doesn't agree and leave it at that.
 
No that is just me...it also makes a excellent video editing machine because you get 4GB or ram minus a measly 256MB for the OS.....excellent workstations.....whatvever you want... I have not seen a limit with XP64 yet...in my world...

Do you honestly believe I am here to convert people? Go outside man.
 
devil22 said:
So XP Pro x64 is better for one person for one specific use, according to you. Why make a thread about it then? Obviously because you want to cause an avalanche effect with your 'moving' testimonials about XP Pro x64 that causes as many people as possible to use it as well, I wasn't born yesterday. And XP Pro x64 is not a good OS for the general user, period.
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That about sums it up.

I think we need an entrance exam for people to post in the OS forum.

Q: Does Win7 use too much memory?
  • a) Yes, XP is way better.
  • b) No, and here's how the memory manager works.
  • c) I use XPx64, even though I only have 4 gigs of memory.
 
i've only read the first 3 pages, but you guys do know that the OP and Cerulean are trolls right?

seriously...
 
Yes, but I felt the need to contribute. And I still think my exam idea is a good one.
 
mathewmatics said:
No that is just me...it also makes a excellent video editing machine because you get 4GB or ram minus a measly 256MB for the OS.....excellent workstations.....whatvever you want... I have not seen a limit with XP64 yet...in my world...

Do you honestly believe I am here to convert people? Go outside man.
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You said it was for your sys only and only for BC2, now you say it has no limit and does video editing. Which is it? Because I've pointed out why XP Pro x64 is not good for general users, it's also not good for you. User mode drivers = drivers don't bring down the sys if they crash, better multicore support helps video editing (and BC2), security, well you must browse and use google/bing, do you do email? XP Pro x64 security is very lacking in those areas. And no I do not believe you would even waste your time posting unless you were trying to convert people. Otherwise, tell me why you think we care what you do with your system? Might as well not post if it doesn't concern anyone but you and you don't need help, you're just cluttering up the forum for no reason in that case, or else get a subscription and post in general mayhem sub forum.
 
I am not concerned with security on my sys therefore it plays zero part in the decision. I search all day every day and have not had one, NOT ONE, virus on my machine since the early days of Napster...NOT ONE!

And yes I was speaking for me but since you brought it up I felt I would let you know what several of my users do with XP64...with ZERO issues...

A dialed in sys with all drivers in place crashes due to drivers? Really?

What is a general user? LOL.

Maybe you should just save yourself the stress and stay out of threads that you hate.
 
Maybe you should not make threads and continue posting in them if you hate the responses you get. General users are people who use their system for general tasks, internet, games, production, office work, programming, etc. and consists of substantial numbers. Most users will find those technical features of Vista/7 very useful. Whether they are a benefit to you, is irrelevant. XP Pro x64 is not a good OS for most users, general users, whatever you want to call them.
 
mathewmatics said:
I waited a long time to try 7. I messed with it on many customer machines but any tech running XP fully tweaked will have a hard time leaving it for anything soooooo....I waited a long time.

Well I installed it....played with it for a few days....and now back to XP64 on SSD...seems faster to me and I saw no reason to stick with 7...... DX9.0c -vs-DX11 didn't bother me at all and I see no reason to have a OS sit idle on over 700MB of RAM.

I have not read all of this but I am the only one?


Just my .02
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Windows 7, like many *nix distros before it aggressively caches thing into memory to better performance. I don't know many techs who are still running, or give a shit about XP unless they're force to use it still for work. If you're using an SSD why would you negate yourself of TRIM?

Seems like a attention post if you ask me.
 
A admin should just lock this thread and ban the O.P and be done with this. we dont need this darama at the forum.
 
devil22 said:
Maybe you should not make threads and continue posting in them if you hate the responses you get. General users are people who use their system for general tasks, internet, games, production, office work, programming, etc. and consists of substantial numbers. Most users will find those technical features of Vista/7 very useful. Whether they are a benefit to you, is irrelevant. XP Pro x64 is not a good OS for most users, general users, whatever you want to call them.
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I would say its anyone thread to start/post in....and yours to avoid if you see fit...

You just described very different users IMO...not general at all.....which is the way I see it...
 
I'm still trying to figure out why a thread was made about this, if you want to use XP64 then that's your decision and I am in no position to give you anything but my opinion. Likewise with everyone else on this forum.

So I guess you need all of [H] to know that your switching back to XP, and then proceed to make a massive thread where you fight a massive chunk of the forum.

IMHO XP is an ugly outdated OS that was fantastic in its day. Someone would have to pry Windows 7 away from me :D
 
Uberbob102000 said:
I'm still trying to figure out why a thread was made about this, if you want to use XP64 then that's your decision and I am in no position to give you anything but my opinion. Likewise with everyone else on this forum.

So I guess you need all of [H] to know that your switching back to XP, and then proceed to make a massive thread where you fight a massive chunk of the forum.
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asked and answered!;)
 
I've gamed plenty. In my list of Steam games, one (Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII) had DRM issues with XP64, Borderlands had a video issue in XP64, and JC2 was DX11. The games are solid. The only other commercial software I had issues with was iTunes.

As a development platform, VMWare workstation is fantastic on XP64. I'm also a developer, so I've typically got a fair chunk of the Oracle stack running as well as my Java tools. I run XP64 and Win7 and I've not found Win7 to be more stable. This 'better' multicore support? I don't see a difference in my transcoding or other heavy core usages. (Key thing here is I'm using both, and push my boxes hard too) Much easier to get XP64 running in a STIG environment than Win7.

So yes - I'll say it makes for a pretty good 'general' OS. Folks claiming XP64 will eat your babies... come on.... It is a pretty good general OS if you actually used it. It lacks some of the shiny that Win7 has. You are boned with new DX titles. Can't see why someone would use anything but Mozilla for a browser. The real issue with XP64 is we are approaching the end of security updates. When that happens, it is done.

(As a side note on tablets - iOS and Android rule that space. As a Java guy, I'm going Android as soon as I can get my hands on the new Asus tablet - hoping to order tomorrow)
 
brucedeluxe169 said:
i've only read the first 3 pages, but you guys do know that the OP and Cerulean are trolls right?

seriously...
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You're right. I mean, they have to be. No one can be that ignorant, right? :eek:

The OP lists all these reasons why XP64 is supposedly better, then claims all he does is use it for gaming.

mathewmatics said:
No all I care about is online game play (again this is for my sys).
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Believing something that's false and not being sure about it is one thing, but believing something that's false and then confidently telling everyone else they're wrong and spreading the FUD has troll written all over it.
 
mathewmatics said:
I would say its anyone thread to start/post in....and yours to avoid if you see fit...

You just described very different users IMO...not general at all.....which is the way I see it...
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Thanks, I didn't know I didn't have to come here and read this! Anyways... Doesn't matter, you are picking nits (re: general users). They all get benefits from the technologies I've referred to, that you don't get and that people using XP Pro x64 don't get. These things are way better for people, than slightly lower memory and slightly faster boot times, in general. Now if your life depends on fast boot times or slightly lower memory usage, or you have some OCD obsession with it and don't care about anything else, yes XP Pro x64 rocks, otherwise, no.
 
Security updates are not that important. Major SP's for certain issues (SP2/USB2 bla bla bla) but a sys can be locked down/secured lots of ways these days.

Lock down networks...educate users....Run a AV and malware protection if need be.......

I was a Slozilla fan until Chrome .
 
Most people are not going to know how to lock down XP Pro x64, and AV is not a good solution (it misses new stuff), proper 0-day defense is, which Vista/7 and IE9 have. Read the wikipedia security link I posted earlier.
 
heelix said:
Amazing how many Server 2003/XPx64 haters there are out there. Have any of you used it for any length of time?
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I had run it for several years as my primary gaming OS when I popped in an AMD 6000+. Best damn OS I used until I got 7 x64 installed.

heelix said:
If you run virtual machines all day and need to also be in a Windows environment, it is rock solid. I've found that XP64 behaves better with troublesome DRM / older games better than the Win7 compatibility mode. YMMV.
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I've found this one to be a draw. 7 x64 works well for me with the VM's. And Dirt 2 flat out didn't work in XP x64 which is partially what convinced me to change. I really used to be a strong supporter of XP x64 until I started using 7 x64. I can't make XP recommendations anymore.
 
Well I guess I'll set them side by side tomorrow and play around. What do you 7 lovers say I should be looking for exactly? Other than DX11 during my continued BFBC2 tests.

I will do the same things all day tomorrow on both...."general computing"...lol

I will also use pinnacle to re render my Niagara shredding footage.

http://vimeo.com/18487321?ab

I will give it all I can give it with BFBC2, Pinnacle, and Premier...I'll give a honest opinion....maybe you guys are right and I have not seen with my own 2 eyes what you are saying i should be seeing....lol...
 
Honestly man we're not all stupid here, fundamentally Win 7 is a great OS. But you do need to realize that a lot of it, is under the hood stuff and things that aren't easily noticeable with a quick glance. SuperFetch really makes your system fly, but it needs a while to learn your usage patterns. Things like UAC keep random programs you download off the net from trashing your system, something you may not notice immediately but that you will appreciate. Visually, the task bar is much superior imo, and aero looks miles better than luna. Win 7/Vista have a certification program for x64, so anything that works with 32-bit that has a Vista/7 logo, also works in x64, unlike XP/XP Pro x64, which is nice but not immediately noticeable either. If you really want to appreciate 7, then you do so by reading, as well as using, since many things as I said are hidden from cursory view.
 
This thread just shows how worked up people can get when they disagree and how rude they can be to knock someone down to make themselves/their opinion look better/feel better. I challenge you all to go back through this thread and read your posts. Would you talk to someone face to face the way you posted. I doubt it. This is a huge problem in our society IMO of people hiding behind the Web being rude and attacking people because they disagree. There is no place for that on this forum or any other IMO.

I think the OP is out here having fun and does truley believe XP is better for him no one is really better to say different although you could give valid points about your opinion w/o knocking him. Thats a discussion. Or you could just not post nor read the thread. Much better options than attacking other members.
 
heelix said:
no multi-monitor

There sure as hell is. I was running four independent monitors off of a pair of 9800gx2s with XP64 years ago. Now there may be no eyefinitity like that, but I'll usually SLI to a single 30" when gaming, if that is what you are talking about.

http://heelix.multiply.com/photos/album/18/Hardware_updates#photo=33
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Of course XP supports MULTIPLE monitors, multi-monitor is what most people generically call Eyefinity and Surround which obviously aren't supported in XP as well as anything beyond 2x SLI, not sure about Crossfire support in XP these days.

For this type of thread this it's actually been fairly civil. If XP64 or some other obsolete technology works for you then great, nothing wrong with that, its not like just because something is old that it becomes totally useless. But to pretend that XP64 is anything other than an obsolete OS that's dying by the minute and that lacks a great deal of higher-end features is just silly is all. Stuff, even great stuff gets old, that's just the nature of or reality and seeing a people deny reality is always funny stuff, not trying to be rude.
 
Yeah but nostalgia for some old farts like me makes old things seem better. You yougins are too hip and on top of things :).

P.S. And many out here have not been rude but some were and that ain't right. Be friendly joke around its much better.
 
Oh, cool a thread for people to up their post counts, I'm in. See no other constructive reason for this flame war otherwise.
 
mathewmatics said:
Updates?? LOL?? What are those?

I install redistrib SP3 and kill everything auto...

Yuk I have never actually went to MS site for updates in 15 years I bet....
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Not to flame, but in the OP you called yourself a tech. If you don't do Windows Updates, sorry, but calling yourself a tech makes us all look bad. Patch your stuff dude. Seriously.
 
I install redistributable SP's and update to the latest on customers units.

My personal machines get the latest redistributable and thats it...no worries here...I said I don't go to MS site...
 
mathewmatics said:
I install redistributable SP's and update to the latest on customers units.

My personal machines get the latest redistributable and thats it...no worries here...I said I don't go to MS site...
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What's wrong with Windows Update?
 
Nothing I suppose...just not needed at all...not every little update...not automatically.

Its 99.9% user.

You guys realize MS auto updates has crashed machines/entire networks over the years, right? Its not something to ALWAYS be taken lightly.

Whatever all IMO....seen a lot over the years.....I thought everyone had..
 
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