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ATI HD 2900XT count down

I do not want to get flamed for this

IMO people who are waiting for this card and disregarding all of the negatives about it are going to end up VERY disappointed. Kyle and Brent have already stated that it was a bust, and now SAMPSA from XS (very reputable) stated: "True in 3dmark, not true in games." to drivers will improve the cards performance.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2180185&postcount=34

In no way is this meant to start a flame war, it is stating a fact so that people do not get over hyped about the card. It also confirms all of the "rumors" and the results that were on the leaked review that was later taken down.
 
Render said:
I do not want to get flamed for this

IMO people who are waiting for this card and disregarding all of the negatives about it are going to end up VERY disappointed. Kyle and Brent have already stated that it was a bust, and now SAMPSA from XS (very reputable) stated: "True in 3dmark, not true in games." to drivers will improve the cards performance.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2180185&postcount=34

In no way is this meant to start a flame war, it is stating a fact so that people do not get over hyped about the card. It also confirms all of the "rumors" and the results that were on the leaked review that was later taken down.
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I honestly do think most people are not looking for a top performer out of the HD 2900XT. What they do expect and look for is close to double the frame rate of the x1900xtx. Comparing apples with apples IMO. And, just because it may not perform to expectation (early drivers) doesn't mean you should skip on over to Nvidia. I mean, if I recall correctly many bought 8800 when they had their driver problems. Why would this be any different at the same price point during that time? Each person is entitled to do as they wish with their money. I am sure that we will see our fair share of canned benchmarks on Monday. The best advice is to find a reputable website that will review the video card close to your specs at your desired resolution. Very few game at 2048x1280 and fewer at 2560x1600. Seeing benchmarks like that really prove nothing if there is no customer base (or the customer base is outnumbered by those at lower resolutions) who have monitors that large. And some will considered benchmarks at that resolution more synthetic as it's not a reality to them. What will be most important is how well the video card will perform at your resolution. IMO anything 24" and lower is what most people use.

Edit: I forgot to mention that the link does not mean what you posted. It's so cryptic that no one will know for sure until the official benchmarks are released.
 
Eastcoasthandle said:
I honestly do think most people are not looking for a top performer out of the HS 2900XT. What they do expect and look for is close to double the frame rate of the x1900xtx. Comparing apples with apples IMO. And, just because it may not perform to expectation (early drivers) doesn't mean you should skip on over to Nvidia. I mean, if I recall correctly many bought 8800 when they had their driver problems. Why would this be any different at the same price point during that time? Each person is entitled to do as they wish with their money. I am sure that we will see our fair share of canned benchmarks on Monday. The best advice is to find a reputable website that will review the video card close to your specs at your desired resolution. Very few game at 2048x1280 and fewer at 2560x1600. Seeing benchmarks like that really prove nothing if there is no customer base who has monitors that size. And to some can be considered as synthetic at best because it's not a reality to them. What will be most important is how well the video card will perform at your resolution. IMO anything 24" and lower is what most people use.
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Yes but if it is truly being beaten by its competition (8800gts) soundly in games then:
1. It is at the same price point as the 8800gts and has less performance
2. It does not get near double the frame rates of the x1950xtx (If I am right that would be 8800gtx speeds)
 
Render said:
Yes but if it is truly being beaten by its competition (8800gts) soundly in games then:
1. It is at the same price point as the 8800gts and has less performance
2. It does not get near double the frame rates of the x1950xtx (If I am right that would be 8800gtx speeds)
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Again, the 8800 had similar problem when it was first released. Difference is that there was no competition and people were paying a premium to get them.
 
Render said:
I do not want to get flamed for this

IMO people who are waiting for this card and disregarding all of the negatives about it are going to end up VERY disappointed.
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WTF???
Can't you just wait a few days before posting this meaningless BS. :mad:
It remains to be seen how good/bad the new cards are.
 
Eastcoasthandle said:
Again, the 8800 had similar problem when it was first released. Difference is that there was no competition and people were paying a premium to get them.
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Uh if I recall correctly the 8800 series completely destroyed the 7xxx series at release. I am pretty sure there was double the performance...so I really do not recall these similar problems at all. 8800 series never got this much negative reputation from previews and reviews. 8800 was an ACE that NVidia had, and I believe on Monday it will show what has already been said and that 8800 series was simply that good.

Now I do remember these same exact events unfolding for the 5xxx series for NVidia, late to the game, previews that showed it worse than the competition and well behind ATi. After that NVidia fought back with the 6xxx series, I really hope ATi can do the same and BELIEVE they will especially since they have merged with AMD.
 
Render said:
I do not want to get flamed for this

IMO people who are waiting for this card and disregarding all of the negatives about it are going to end up VERY disappointed.
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The official reviews of the 8800 showed it in good light. Wait until the same official reviews of the HD2900 before you start spreading your own propaganda.
 
Endurancevm said:
The official reviews of the 8800 showed it in good light. Wait until the same official reviews of the HD2900 before you start spreading your own propaganda.
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Right but there was not any negative context around the 8800 series like there currently is around r600. I am not spreading any propaganda, just stating what others who are reputable have stated. Believe me I for one hope everyone is lying or ATi has some special drivers they have held back (would drop prices on 8800gts etc).

But at only 3 days away from launch, a leaked review that was taken down IMMEDIATELY that showed the same results, [H] saying it all along and now Sampsa saying gaming performance is not good.

Lets face it...noone was expecting the 8800 series to be as powerful as it was. Once released I truly think it surprised ATi (thus a 6 month delay).

Now I would think ATi would be worried, but I think that they have some bigger surprise than the higher end (their mid and low end) or else they would not be having a 3 day event in Africa. The high end of the market is only one piece of the puzzle, if you noticed the 8600 series was not all that impressive. I believe this is where ATi will shine this round.
 
Render said:
It also confirms all of the "rumors" and the results that were on the leaked review that was later taken down.
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No, it doesn't.

Look -- the chips are going to fall eventually. There's no need for you to try and dissuade people from buying into it all, because at this point, you know as much as anyone else not bound to the constraints of an NDA.

That's really all there is to say.
 
Render said:
Believe me I for one hope everyone is lying or ATi has some special drivers they have held back (would drop prices on 8800gts etc).
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http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031035762&postcount=39
Render said:
Now I would think ATi would be worried, but I think that they have some bigger surprise than the higher end (their mid and low end) or else they would not be having a 3 day event in Africa. The high end of the market is only one piece of the puzzle, if you noticed the 8600 series was not all that impressive. I believe this is where ATi will shine this round.
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That's what I care about too. However no sign yet of budging on the 8600 prices. :mad:
 
Some people are having a lot of problems with NVIDIA and Vista. They may jump ship to ATI just for this reason.

I like competition. NVIDIA has gone through some rough drivers lately, and ATI might too. Performance wise with good drivers from both? As long as it's dollar for dollar equal to performance, I'll go with ATI. NVIDIA has burned me too many times lately (bad Vista drivers, bad card, etc.).
 
You have to wait and see.

Some say it will compete with the 8800 GTX and cost under $400 then others say it is worse than the 8800 GTS.

Just wait until monday, all the NDAs will end, and a good driver set should be available.
Even if its not so great Nvidia prices should go down a bit at the same time.

For a person like me looking to buy a $300-$400 range card in a couple weeks its a win-win scenario. :D
 
I still believe it will give at least GTS performance in higher res/iq settings. It won't be settled until there is a reliable Crysis benchmark IMO. Unless it really gets blown out of the water. :( Which I highly doubt. :)
 
I might sound like a noob when I say this, but is it possible that while this card might suck compared to the 8800 in dx9, it'll own in dx10? Or do cards that suck in dx9 suck in dx10 period?
 
I've read the compiler for R600 needs a little extra coaxing due to the ALU logic but I'm hopeful we'll see improvements over time like when R520 launched.
 
White0ut442 said:
I might sound like a noob when I say this, but is it possible that while this card might suck compared to the 8800 in dx9, it'll own in dx10? Or do cards that suck in dx9 suck in dx10 period?
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It is where the optimizations for the card lie. The card can be optimized to render DX9 or DX10 or just plain geometry in 3D modeling.
 
i just bought a $190 X1950 XT from newegg cuz i have a feeling the 2900 will be a buster and I dont like nvidia.
 
Most places are selling pretty high IMO. But it is possible that prices decrease as inventory becomes available. I wouldn't lock down with any deals right now though.
prices
 
FWIW i dont think sampsa was necessarily referring to drivers not improving games at all, it seemed like he was just saying that 2900xt competes with GTS and not GTX. I personally think drivers are still immature; look at all the different reviewers saying how much their scores vary based on the drivers. Also actual performance from game to game varys widely from what i have heard, this also points to immature drivers in my mind. Maybe im wrong though.
 
kemist1117 said:
FWIW i dont think sampsa was necessarily referring to drivers not improving games at all, it seemed like he was just saying that 2900xt competes with GTS and not GTX. I personally think drivers are still immature; look at all the different reviewers saying how much their scores vary based on the drivers. Also actual performance from game to game varys widely from what i have heard, this also points to immature drivers in my mind. Maybe im wrong though.
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I believe that guy didn't understood what Sampsa was saying IMO.
 
I added 1 to my cart but I sure as hell ain't buying it until I get some real reviews.

Brent said:
I spy something red....
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Yeah you're at the big DAAMIT shindig tonight aren't you. Just waiting for some first hand impressions to trickle down here.
 
:D

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I wonder whats going to be the bigger hit at the party tonight? The quad core barcelona & 2900xt or the hookers & blow?
 
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