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ATI HD 2900XT count down

My single 8800GTX annhiliated the 7950GX2 that I replaced with it from the very first day onward (got mine the day after launch). Driver performance in games has been just fine since launch, possibly improved since, I don't really notice those things. Now the quality of the driver in regards to monitor compatibility and fixed-aspect ratio scaling, on the other hand, has been a bust since launch and remains a bust to this day. If you don't mind trading a hefty amount of performance for certain non-gaming related features, then I would definitely recommend ATI. But if you want the best gaming performance money can buy and don't mind doing a bit of tweaking to get everything ELSE working the way it should, then stick with nVidia (please note that here I am referring only to R600 v G80, not any of either company's previous products).

Also note here that I am talking about XP only. Vista is still a secondary operating system at best to me.

All of this having been said, I am looking forward to "official" 2900XT tests, and I sincerely hope it performs better than has been rumored. AMD/ATI really can't afford any mediocre products right now.
 
heh

I think its kyle that is at the shindig, and brent is stuck at home doing the cooking ... er testing
 
phide said:
Everyone.
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Then we live in fear!

Some sites have already broken the NDAs and as I understand it that sent the fellows at AMD into confused chaos and disbelief. :confused:

lol

But I guess everyone else has their reputation to consider...
 
Kano said:
Then we live in fear!

Some sites have already broken the NDAs and as I understand it that sent the fellows at AMD into confused chaos and disbelief. :confused: .
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Really? And, where did you hear of this, if I may ask?
 
Render said:
Uh if I recall correctly the 8800 series completely destroyed the 7xxx series at release. I am pretty sure there was double the performance...so I really do not recall these similar problems at all. 8800 series never got this much negative reputation from previews and reviews. 8800 was an ACE that NVidia had, and I believe on Monday it will show what has already been said and that 8800 series was simply that good.

Now I do remember these same exact events unfolding for the 5xxx series for NVidia, late to the game, previews that showed it worse than the competition and well behind ATi. After that NVidia fought back with the 6xxx series, I really hope ATi can do the same and BELIEVE they will especially since they have merged with AMD.
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You are correct,I had a 7900 gtx sli setup and bought a 8800 gtx on launch day. out of the box the 8800 crushed the 7900 sli set up at 1920x1200.
 
I just got back from the AMD party at shine. AMD put on a very impressive show of product, gave away a couple xbox's and other goodies. As for the 2900 it seemed rock solid, didnt have a chance to see any numbers out of 3dmark or the like. Didn't see one blue screen, crash or hiccup the entire night which bodes well for the stability of the product. They had an AWESOME physics demonstration with two 2900's in a box. One of them was doing the 3d math while the other one was doing physics simulations. Kudo's to kyle @ hardocp and AMD for putting together a good party :). Also the dual quad core box was quite drool worthy (with the 2900) even if the amd guy was very secretive about the specs ;). Finally the spring rolls were fantastic. *hiccup*
 
eousphoros said:
Kudo's to kyle @ hardocp and AMD for putting together a good party :). Also the dual quad (barcelona) core box was quite drool worthy (with the 2900) even if the amd guy was very secretive about the specs ;).
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Great to hear the event went well and the 2900 was rock solid. BTW, was the dual quad, Opteron or 4x4?
 
eousphoros said:
I just got back from the AMD party at shine. AMD put on a very impressive show of product, gave away a couple xbox's and other goodies. As for the 2900 it seemed rock solid, didnt have a chance to see any numbers out of 3dmark or the like. Didn't see one blue screen, crash or hiccup the entire night which bodes well for the stability of the product. They had an AWESOME physics demonstration with two 2900's in a box. One of them was doing the 3d math while the other one was doing physics simulations. Kudo's to kyle @ hardocp and AMD for putting together a good party :). Also the dual quad (barcelona) core box was quite drool worthy (with the 2900) even if the amd guy was very secretive about the specs ;). Finally the spring rolls were fantastic. *hiccup*
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I second that. Thank You Kyle and AMD/ATI!

Vlad.

PS: It was really interesting talking to the ATI guys, finding out the really neat stuff about the R600.
 
In my inquistion of the poor amd engineer (the one manning the dual quad) the few things he did let slip was one of the boxes (possibly that one) were running am2+, that the ones in the dual quad were consumer level cpu's (aka not opterons)

EDIT: Also opteron quads were expected in the middle of 2007 while the consumer level were expected in later 07
 
eousphoros said:
In my inquistion of the poor amd engineer (the one manning the dual quad) the few things he did let slip was one of the boxes (possibly that one) were running am2+, that the ones in the dual quad were consumer level cpu's (aka not opterons)

EDIT: Also opteron quads were expected in the middle of 2007 while the consumer level were expected in later 07
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The guy who was manning the single cpu solution said it was an Agena (Phenom X4), not a Barcelona.
 
Saintster said:
You are correct,I had a 7900 gtx sli setup and bought a 8800 gtx on launch day. out of the box the 8800 crushed the 7900 sli set up at 1920x1200.
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I know people can do whatever they want with their own money... but I just can't understand why someone who already owned two (let alone ONE) 7900GTXs would do this.

... and don't try to explain it to me, it won't help. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go flush dollar bills down the toilet for a half hour or so... :rolleyes:
 
What??@!

Is Sainter bias here or was he really seing a difference? I had 2x 7900gt SLI vmodded to a stable 740/950. My research found benchmarks for the 8800gtx and 7900gtx nearly similar and not to mention that my own 3dmark 06 scores were practically the same as and 8800gtx on the same type of system clock per clock except the 8800 clocks. Therefore I found no reason to upgrade to 8800gtx. Am I missing something?
 
SentToSchool said:
Count down to a piece of shit. Loud and slow.
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This guy deserves a Pulitzer prize asap.

Render said:
Right but there was not any negative context around the 8800 series like there currently is around r600. I am not spreading any propaganda, just stating what others who are reputable have stated. Believe me I for one hope everyone is lying or ATi has some special drivers they have held back (would drop prices on 8800gts etc).
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All I remember from pre 8800 days was that nobody believed it was going to be unified shader architechture card. Nvidia PR people did pretty nice job in convincing people to believe it was going to be a minor architectural improvement from G70 cards, definetly not a unified shader card, thats what I remember believing. And then BaM out comes G80 withs it sleek new architechture and everybody was blown away by its performance. Too bad it has taken almost 6 months to get acceptable drivers for the card, otherwise I would have one in my sig too.
 
sam0t said:
All I remember from pre 8800 days was that nobody believed it was going to be unified shader architechture card. Nvidia PR people did pretty nice job in convincing people to believe it was going to be a minor architectural improvement from G70 cards, definetly not a unified shader card, thats what I remember believing. And then BaM out comes G80 withs it sleek new architechture and everybody was blown away by its performance. Too bad it has taken almost 6 months to get acceptable drivers for the card, otherwise I would have one in my sig too.
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That's actually not true. I made that mistake myself, but the NVIDIA PR did say G80 was going to use an unified architecture. The Inq was the one to twist what he said, into "G80 will not use an unified architecture".

Back on topic. R600 is already a fiasco. There's no denying that, after 6 months of delays and constant rumors. Although we have nothing but unconfirmed numbers, all of them mention that R600 high-end model, barely beats NVIDIA's second best.
We should take those with the usual grain of salt, until they are confirmed/unconfirmed, but if AMD/ATI had anything better than a 8800 GTX, they would be the first to show it to the public and R600 would be out for months now.

It seems some are still expecting it to beat G80, when you should be considering the more than likely possibility, that it won't.

Let's just hope that at least R600 mid-range, offers some serious bang for your buck in the price/performance ratio.
 
scwam said:
What??@!

Is Sainter bias here or was he really seing a difference? I had 2x 7900gt SLI vmodded to a stable 740/950. My research found benchmarks for the 8800gtx and 7900gtx nearly similar and not to mention that my own 3dmark 06 scores were practically the same as and 8800gtx on the same type of system clock per clock except the 8800 clocks. Therefore I found no reason to upgrade to 8800gtx. Am I missing something?
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No reason eh, how about better filtering, better AA, better image quality, the fact that it is one card and uses up less power then your SLi 7900's. Oh and even though it doesn't matter now it's also DX10.

And the fact that you used 3dmark scores to come to your conclusion just makes you look like an idiot.

Also ever hear of selling your old video cards? Right, didn't think so.
 
^^Thanks for the heads up. Is HIS the better brand to go with? I mean, they are usually the most expensive. Why is that?
 
Banko said:
No reason eh, how about better filtering, better AA, better image quality, the fact that it is one card and uses up less power then your SLi 7900's. Oh and even though it doesn't matter now it's also DX10.

And the fact that you used 3dmark scores to come to your conclusion just makes you look like an idiot.

Also ever hear of selling your old video cards? Right, didn't think so.
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Banko,
I'm aware 3dmark isn't a game performance indicator, esp at low resoltuions, my question to you is:

Why did you respond so rudely? I never attacked anyone in this forum with my wording, even Saintster. Keep your sharp comments to yourself next time. Don't make your own quick assumptions next time. All the stuff you mentioned I already considered, my fault for not putting "price/performance reason " in there. Your comment makes me mad.
 
scwam said:
Banko,
Why did you respond so rudely? I never attacked anyone in this forum with my wording, even Saintster. Keep your sharp comments to yourself next time. Don't make your own quick assumptions next time. All the stuff you mentioned I already considered, my fault for not putting "price/performance reason " in there. Your comment makes me mad.
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you appeared to compare the cards based on clock speeds and 3D mark scores without any thought given to the improved IQ of the 8800 over your 7900.
 
Droc said:
you appeared to compare the cards based on clock speeds and 3D mark scores without any thought given to the improved IQ of the 8800 over your 7900.
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Sorry, I'm realizing now that I should have made my orignal post way more clear. I considered the IQ and DX10, etc, etc. My intent was to say it you had clock speeds set the same/nearly same that the results I saw on reviews of game tests and benchmarks was nearly the same between performance of the two. Perhaps I narrowed out my own native resolution at 1680 x 1050 and didn't look as closely to much higher resolutions as much as I thought, not really sure. But it seems that from what I've been reading that 8800gtx is pretty much a large noticable difference from a performance perspective over modded 7900's/sli. I'll have to take peoples' word for it over forum reviews. Again, sorry for not making my original post clear to you/anyone else. I'm terrible at expressing my thoughts.
 
TigerDirect sucks. Yeah they're one of the larger distros out there, but would you want to buy something that states on its site that DX10 is available as an update for your Windows Server 2003 or Windows XP system?
 
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