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ATI....directionless but not clueless

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It all goes back to the same thing, its your money buy what you want. Read reviews on both cards and then talk to friends that have them. Make an informed decision. One way to do that is to decide what gaming engine the kind of games you like to play will be based on. Then chose the card that plays it best. HL2 ATI, Doom 3 Nvidia.

I just finished the Doom 3 expansion Resurrection of Evil on an ATI card and it limped its way thru ok. :p
 
Netrat33 said:
Where they ultras? didn't think so. that's what I said

Come to Missouri Spanky...There are BFG Ultra's and GT's in both compU.S.S.R. and Bestshithole..

And the kewl thing is...you can get Ultra's in PCIE and AGP for around 350 to 400 dollars at CompUSSR

At best buy they have them for around the same price tag...68xx go from 250 to 400
and the 62xx/66xx go for around 150 to 200 here
 
[RIP]Zeus said:
Come to Missouri Spanky...There are BFG Ultra's and GT's in both compU.S.S.R. and Bestshithole..

And the kewl thing is...you can get Ultra's in PCIE and AGP for around 350 to 400 dollars at CompUSSR

At best buy they have them for around the same price tag...68xx go from 250 to 400
and the 62xx/66xx go for around 150 to 200 here

Meh, computer stores around here suck. (even best buy and stuff) all they have are 9800Pros and FXs.

edit; I mean in store stores, online stores have everything
 
Hate_Bot said:
He has officially replaed Redifined as my "Most blind * fan-boy ever"

(Ricko I mean)

some people are just retarded... :(

Then what did you label yourself?

You always go on about how x8xx series cards are so easy to find where you live yet you just said all the stores around you suck and only carry 9800pro's and FX's?
 
Jerunk said:
Then what did you label yourself?

You always go on about how x8xx series cards are so easy to find where you live yet you just said all the stores around you suck and only carry 9800pro's and FX's?

Im talking Like the big brand stores.

Smaller stores have the cards.

Also, mos tbig brand stores in america seem not to have the newer cards (Im talking like Best Buy big)

But, it wont be dificult for me to find any ATI card here.

And what would I label myself? I dont show blind brand loyalty (unlike some other people...)
 
[RIP]Zeus said:
Come to Missouri Spanky...There are BFG Ultra's and GT's in both compU.S.S.R. and Bestshithole..

And the kewl thing is...you can get Ultra's in PCIE and AGP for around 350 to 400 dollars at CompUSSR

At best buy they have them for around the same price tag...68xx go from 250 to 400
and the 62xx/66xx go for around 150 to 200 here

There is no way any major retail store is selling a 6800ULTRA for less than the MSRP of 499.99, especially considering both of the stores in question sell the cards for no less than 499.99 online. Unless Missouri is full of the most inept incompetent people on the planet that is, which I highly doubt. The cards you are seeing are likely 6800GT, not the ultra's.
 
Erasmus354 said:
Unless Missouri is full of the most inept incompetent people on the planet that is, which I highly doubt..

Youve never been to Missouri... Have you?
 
fallguy said:
Sorry Ricko, you're still clueless.

QFT. i cannot believe you bring that up *again*, ricko. go read the old thread and you'll have all the answers you need - on boatloads of pages. i feel like i subscribed to this...
 
Erasmus354 said:
There is no way any major retail store is selling a 6800ULTRA for less than the MSRP of 499.99, especially considering both of the stores in question sell the cards for no less than 499.99 online. Unless Missouri is full of the most inept incompetent people on the planet that is, which I highly doubt. The cards you are seeing are likely 6800GT, not the ultra's.


What hatebot says. Have you been to missouri?

Understand this...Anything anyone wants to test starts in missouri...just like the ATM's
If ATM's sold in missouri they will sell anywhere

also Missouri doesn't change. We are the only state i know of that just doesn't change. Also the people here drive like MORONS...the techs in compUSSR and bestshitheads are fucking morons

There is a very small market for IT here. I myself work at a mortgage company as there Network Admin...

Come to missouri one day...you will find out... :D
 
[RIP]Zeus said:
Come to Missouri Spanky...There are BFG Ultra's and GT's in both compU.S.S.R. and Bestshithole..

And the kewl thing is...you can get Ultra's in PCIE and AGP for around 350 to 400 dollars at CompUSSR

At best buy they have them for around the same price tag...68xx go from 250 to 400
and the 62xx/66xx go for around 150 to 200 here

Coming right away Slappy! ;)

I'm with Erasmus354 and you actually.
Somehow doubt they are there for 400 dollars...BUT...of course I'm not in missouri so I have to take your word! :p

I just see that bestbuy.com and compusa.com don't have them either. That's all I got. But hey! You're there.


*Simpsons*
Lisa: Grampa, this flag only has 49 stars on it
Grampa: It'll be a cold day in hell before I recognize "Mis-ur-ra!"
 
Netrat33 said:
*Simpsons*
Lisa: Grampa, this flag only has 49 stars on it
Grampa: It'll be a cold day in hell before I recognize "Mis-ur-ra!"


Thats good..... :D
 
Ricko said:
Several months ago I posted a thread regarding ATIs diminishing status as a high end consumer cards producer. I was shot at royaly by some of the distinguished and extingiushed patrons of this great site. The reasons vary as to why reality is resisted so tenaciously. However, there are now corresponding witnesses to this claim that cannot be denied. The Inquirer has recently had several articles that point to ATI's desperate search for an answer to Nvidias SLI. Simply, there isn't one. ATI's track record for announcement and then "no-show" OR "slow-show" is now legendary. Any time I go to best buy, etc. the ONLY high-end solution I see is STILL the 9800! Yes, they have produced a little of this and a liitle of that (all oem by the way). However, why pay so much more for a fraction of difference of performance? I am not out to put down this giant as I have had numerous ATI cards. My point is that now others in the know are echoing similar concerns I feel a little justified. Pardon me for sounding sanctimonious...but there were some that were visibly upset about my previous thread even going to the extreme of sending me private messages with profanity in them. Cannot someone post what they feel is truth? You tell me.

Wow, Ricko. I'm impressed. You've really expanded your vocabulary since your earlier adventures into the video card forum. Let's take a little stroll down memory lane, shall we?

ATI...chases the buck...NOT producing high end cards anymore

Let's quit the whining about the 6800GT...O.K.?

Don't be fooled by frequent drivers from ATI

Stupid discrediting to hide the truth...HL2 bench

ATI's vain attempt to hurt Nvidia...has backfired

You don't get the crown...for ...one card

I could go on, but I won't. There's a reason why most of Ricko's threads get locked.
 
WuTangClam said:
Wow, Ricko. I'm impressed. You've really expanded your vocabulary since your earlier adventures into the video card forum. Let's take a little stroll down memory lane, shall we?

ATI...chases the buck...NOT producing high end cards anymore

Let's quit the whining about the 6800GT...O.K.?

Don't be fooled by frequent drivers from ATI

Stupid discrediting to hide the truth...HL2 bench

ATI's vain attempt to hurt Nvidia...has backfired

You don't get the crown...for ...one card

I could go on, but I won't. There's a reason why most of Ricko's threads get locked.

Wow, biggest fan-boy wishes ever. "ATI Isnt making high end cards, ATI is failing in sales, 800S suck, DONT GET ATI" etc...

Ive got nothing wrong with people buying Nvidia card, and Ide be more then happy to suggest one to someone if the conditions are right, but blind Nvidia fan-boyness (something that I truthfully, dont see from ATI buyers) pisses me off.

What annoys me is that these people call ATI Owners fan-boys, when in reality they are the bigg fan boys of all...
 
Tsumari said:
Nobody is rushing blindly for some kind of answer to SLI. SLI isn't very important, especially the current method which requires a profile for each game.

Will SLI be really important in a year or two? Who knows, it depends on how the tech works out. But it's not as if the public is raving scared of being left behind without their two cards.

Tsumari

I've heard a lot about this profile garbage. Truth is, sli or not, almost all games contain a profile in the driver, and just like sli, if thier is no profile then your not getting peak performance. Granted the preformace difference is a little more drastic when it comes to sli ;) . Anyway, you can make your own profiles now so its a moot point.
 
Hate_Bot said:
Wow, biggest fan-boy wishes ever. "ATI Isnt making high end cards, ATI is failing in sales, 800S suck, DONT GET ATI" etc...

Ive got nothing wrong with people buying Nvidia card, and Ide be more then happy to suggest one to someone if the conditions are right, but blind Nvidia fan-boyness (something that I truthfully, dont see from ATI buyers) pisses me off.

What annoys me is that these people call ATI Owners fan-boys, when in reality they are the bigg fan boys of all...

uhhh right... :rolleyes:
 
fiberoptik said:
uhhh right... :rolleyes:

what are you making rolleyes for? You have to admit, the crap ricko posts is blind fan-boyness. and You notice you never see any "Nvidia is failing in sales" and "OMG SLI is Teh Suxors" threads do you? :rolleyes:
 
Bias runs Rampant on these boards as is to be expected on any major Hard ware sites boards. Why dont we all just stop posting in this thread.
 
Hate_Bot said:
Because theres a market for it?

and AMR will also not be as popular.

The point of my post was that everyone sais "ATI Is rushing AMR" and they forget that ATI Has had multi rendering for years.

and they guy said that "ATI Is getting killed by SLI" etc, which is simply not true, AMR wont kill SLI, and vice versa, I frankly couldnt care less whether AMR comes or not. All I care about is the newCard, the R520, which looks like its shaping up to be a hell of a card, because of the fact that Nvidia said they wouldnt be making a new chip, just staying with SLI for 6 months, it could mean bad news.

and you know this by how. for all i know r520 could be a shit card. btw rumors can only be confirmed when the card actually comes out.
 
and you know this by how. for all i know r520 could be a shit card. btw rumors can only be confirmed when the card actually comes out.

I am going to rant agian.
I dont understand how people seem to to "try" to not believe that the R520 "exists" and "will" be "powerful". Yet when discussing the future of Graphics they are perfectly content with saying that Nvidia would never sit doing nothing and that they can just pull a new core out of nowhere.
My thoughts are as follows.
(Yeah I know alot of quotation marks)

R520 will come out and will be more powerful than current solutions.

Nvidia will do a refresh of their current line of Video Cards that will see much more improved performance and stability over the last.

As to who will win that battle.
Meh its a moot point right now.
 
[RIP]Zeus said:
And the kewl thing is...you can get Ultra's in PCIE and AGP for around 350 to 400 dollars at CompUSSR

Sorry, there is zero chance a PCI-E 6800 Ultra is $350, or even $400 at CompUSA. Or even a AGP, other than perhaps a rebate or some sort of sale.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
Meh its a mute point right now.


sry for correcting grammar and such, but I believe the word you are searching for is moot, not mute :)

and can we close this thread already? The mods should just have a Ricko alarm that tells them whenever he posts a thread on the video card forums so they can come and close it. Although I will say that looking through his old threads, I haven't laughed so hard in years....now I just need Bizarro Ricko to come on and post the anti-Nvidia !!!!!! flaming and my comedic journey will be complete.


oh and hey, [RIP]Zeus, if your stores are really selling ULTRA's for 350-400$ I will hire you for 15$ + SH to go buy me one! :)
 
This thread and it's attendant twists and turns goes to show the incedible hubris of its devotees. Here I am trying to post a logical and intelligent thread and i am once again treated like as one put it "fan boy." In reality, as I have said, I have owned a plethora of ATI cards. What I cannot respect is the string of broken promises by this company that at one time I fully stood by. There...now you have it. Some of you crepustic creatures of the wee hours may feel like responding . Cool. Just remember...at least I am not intimidated by trying to make a salient point. In order to articularte and pontificate, I must repeatedly excacerbate a point for some of you because you are... ubiquitously opaque!
 
You use of "big words", doesnt make you smart. Your first post is incorrect in almost everything you said. I think WuTangClam showed what you are really about. Trolling, and ignorance. Its a deadly combination.
 
Ricko, you're a troll. Go away!

ATI doesn't really have shortage problems anymore. I mean if I can get a top of the line X850XT at under MSRP what does that tell you? X800XL's are all over the place now and when I have the $ I'm snatching one up right away. Why? Because they offer better price/performance compared to NV's 6800GT. The demand for high-end cards will always be steady and if they are selling for under MSRP, then there must be plenty of them being circulated. Sure, NV did a helluva job this gen, and got the quick start on ATI, but you need to stop living in the past and look at the present where ATI and NV have great cards out, enough of those cards being manufactured, and no big problems have come up. As for the SLI thing, it's kinda like a hybrid car. The Japanese made them a while ago, but US companies don't really have them that high on their priority list (well not untill like last year). They just wanted to get it out eventually, and not "omg gotta play catch up!" I feel its the same way with ATI and AMR. Sure, they'd like to get it out, but it's not the most important thing.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
I am going to rant agian.
I dont understand how people seem to to "try" to not believe that the R520 "exists" and "will" be "powerful". Yet when discussing the future of Graphics they are perfectly content with saying that Nvidia would never sit doing nothing and that they can just pull a new core out of nowhere.
My thoughts are as follows.
(Yeah I know alot of quotation marks)

R520 will come out and will be more powerful than current solutions.

Nvidia will do a refresh of their current line of Video Cards that will see much more improved performance and stability over the last.

As to who will win that battle.
Meh its a mute point right now.

i know that it exists but saying like r520 is going ot tpple the SLI is silly and stupid statement. (well its not out yet and no one knows the config)

meh what can you say. its competition.
 
sry for correcting grammar and such, but I believe the word you are searching for is moot, not mute

NP man Thanks for the info man. I will correct that right away.
 
Ricko said:
This thread and it's attendant twists and turns goes to show the incedible hubris of its devotees. Here I am trying to post a logical and intelligent thread and i am once again treated like as one put it "fan boy." In reality, as I have said, I have owned a plethora of ATI cards. What I cannot respect is the string of broken promises by this company that at one time I fully stood by. There...now you have it. Some of you crepustic creatures of the wee hours may feel like responding . Cool. Just remember...at least I am not intimidated by trying to make a salient point. In order to articularte and pontificate, I must repeatedly excacerbate a point for some of you because you are... ubiquitously opaque!


You do realize you just called yourself a troll who makes baseless accusations that cant be backed up by any semblance of a fact do you? I sure hope you didn't just go wild with your thesaurus, cause it would be the most ammusing if you actually are aware of exactly what you said, (hint last sentence, and I am not kidding either, you called yourself a troll)


EDIT : Figured I would let other people know what I am referring to, pontificate, while often used to refer to the pope, can also be used as expressing your opinion in a dogmatic way. Its almost funny how correctly Ricko described himself, couldn't have chosen a better and more appropriate word than "pontificate" lol.


Anyways, go collect your check from nvidia and then dont forget to wipe off your nose, and stop stinking up our forums pls, k thnx.
 
WuTangClam said:
Wow, Ricko. I'm impressed. You've really expanded your vocabulary since your earlier adventures into the video card forum. Let's take a little stroll down memory lane, shall we?

ATI...chases the buck...NOT producing high end cards anymore

Let's quit the whining about the 6800GT...O.K.?

Don't be fooled by frequent drivers from ATI

Stupid discrediting to hide the truth...HL2 bench

ATI's vain attempt to hurt Nvidia...has backfired

You don't get the crown...for ...one card

I could go on, but I won't. There's a reason why most of Ricko's threads get locked.

CAPTIAN JEAN LUC PICARD.
 
Ricko said:
This thread and it's attendant twists and turns goes to show the incedible hubris of its devotees. Here I am trying to post a logical and intelligent thread and i am once again treated like as one put it "fan boy." In reality, as I have said, I have owned a plethora of ATI cards. What I cannot respect is the string of broken promises by this company that at one time I fully stood by. There...now you have it. Some of you crepustic creatures of the wee hours may feel like responding . Cool. Just remember...at least I am not intimidated by trying to make a salient point. In order to articularte and pontificate, I must repeatedly excacerbate a point for some of you because you are... ubiquitously opaque!

:rolleyes: It's funny, you used like 3 or 4 word wrongly there buddo.

English 101... it's where the flavor is...

edit: And ya, what you are posting is just random thoughts that you seem to have, that have no basis in fact whatsoever.


Jerunk said:
CAPTIAN JEAN LUC PICARD.

:confused:
 
Ricko said:
This thread and it's attendant twists and turns goes to show the incedible hubris of its devotees. Here I am trying to post a logical and intelligent thread and i am once again treated like as one put it "fan boy." In reality, as I have said, I have owned a plethora of ATI cards. What I cannot respect is the string of broken promises by this company that at one time I fully stood by. There...now you have it. Some of you crepustic creatures of the wee hours may feel like responding . Cool. Just remember...at least I am not intimidated by trying to make a salient point. In order to articularte and pontificate, I must repeatedly excacerbate a point for some of you because you are... ubiquitously opaque!
My god man do you even read what you write?

I understand some people that don't use the shift key because they're 'lazy' but your spouting words that you 'think' make you sound intelligent, instead make you look like a moron thumbing through a thesaurus.

It would probably help your argument if you proved that the 'hubris' you mentioned is unsound or flawed critically. From your whining against ATi, I doubt you've owned a 'plethora' of anything other than HoHo's or DingDongs.

BTW, I think you meant 'crepuscular' and not 'crepustic' if you're calling people dim. One is a word, the other is well, you stroking your troll-penis.

Your spelling needs work. 'excacerbate' indeed.

This definitely needs to be locked.
 
Jbirney said:
/me votes to lock thread...no usefull info will come out of it...

same vote.

Lock. and seeing the history of what he has been doing. Heck I even say ban. Just a troll
 
The cacophony of voices exalted against me seem to resound with the same tinny tone. There is a point to be made here: you guys simply cannot allow freedom of expression. If I rehearse the opinions that have now become standard consumer fodder I can fit in to the ranks of this good sites devotees. The maxims that I have offered have been denounced as baseless. Really? Hmmm. Others are saying the same things elsewhere and no heal is raised against them. Perhaps we should ask ourselves if we have become orwellian in our forced scrutinization of every thread that challenges our modicumistic minds. Yes. there are some of you that have exhibited a true desire to seek the germane meanings of what I have tried to say however, most are trodding in the ruts formed by others. Let us liberate ourselves from the languishment of the throngs...and actualize your uniquity.
 
Forgive me for saying this...but , if it wasn't for threads like this that help us to...grin, we would be bored to death, even with a great site like this one. Just enjoy a little of the out of the ordinary stuff. No flame bait, fan-boy or whatever has ever been intended just my opinion and what I see is a ongoing trend with ATI.
 
Ricko said:
The cacophony of voices exalted against me seem to resound with the same tinny tone. There is a point to be made here: you guys simply cannot allow freedom of expression. If I rehearse the opinions that have now become standard consumer fodder I can fit in to the ranks of this good sites devotees. The maxims that I have offered have been denounced as baseless. Really? Hmmm. Others are saying the same things elsewhere and no heal is raised against them. Perhaps we should ask ourselves if we have become orwellian in our forced scrutinization of every thread that challenges our modicumistic minds. Yes. there are some of you that have exhibited a true desire to seek the germane meanings of what I have tried to say however, most are trodding in the ruts formed by others. Let us liberate ourselves from the languishment of the throngs...and actualize your uniquity.

This thread should not be locked, the pure idiocy on display here is priceless.

Your word usage is possibly the worst I've ever seen, and is a horrendously pathetic attempt to cover up your foolhardy, baseless drivel. Big words are only impressive if used correctly and appropriately. In addition, throwing a big word in here and there does not compensate for things like leaving out an apostrophe, or writing grammatically unsound sentences. I say let him keep going, you can't buy stupidity like this.
 
**Chiming in from nowhere**

Hello everyone ;) Take a deep breath.....no seriously, give it a try.






Feel better? Well I tried. Okay, I'm personally like nVidia alot because of the driver support the provide for their products over ATi, as I used to be bigger into Linux (dual-boot was a must.....not so much anymore). Now that I've gotten into benchmarking and hardware in general, I've done my fair share of research and here's what I found out about both card companies....I'd like to this this post would be the end-all for ATI vs. nVidia arguments, but it won't....

(OPINIONS AFTER LOTS O' RESEARCH)
-Nvidia driver support for different platforms is better than ATIs
-ATIs driver support for Windows refreshes more often (nowadays)
-Out of the box, running stock, a top-of-the-line ATi card will benchmark higher than a match nVidia product.
-Out of the box, an nVidia card will GENERALLY overclock higher than an ATi products, which don't have much headroom.
-ATi cards make up for this in their ability to take voltage like a champ
-nVidia has the highest market right now for benchmarking with SLi, as ATi can't touch it at the moment.
-ATi has their own SLi (AMR) coming out, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it run faster (in benchmarks) because single to single matched up (once again in benches) ATi's are a smidge faster.

But the most important note about nVidia and ATi is....

When it comes to playing ACTUAL games, their IQ and performance is more or less dead even, with NV being better an OpenGL and ATi being better at D3D, but both running decent at the other rendering type. In the end it really doesn't matter, whatever's faster I'll like, so I'm waiting for R520/G70 before I upgrade to see which one is kicking ass and see if AMR is out.....now as far as CPU? FX-57 no doubt ;)



And for the comment about more higher ATi cards being sold, I can defend that easily.

Nvidia:
6800 Vanilla
6800 GT
6800 Ultra
6800 Ultra Extreme Edition (which never really came out at all, only was able to win this card)

ATi:
X800
X800 Pro
X800XT
X800XT:pE

Now, the way they are listed is how they're supposed to be matched up really....which is why I get irritated when people say the "X800XT:pE pwnzors the 6800U lawlzors!1!!" because they're really not matched. The card it was to go against never came out. Only eVGA made them, and raffled off the ability to BUY them...but u can still buy X800XTPE's. Anyway......

So you basically have 3 cards....and the GT and Ultra were ALMOST the same thing, with the GT being able to use the voltage of the Ultra with a bios Flash and some better cooling.....came with 16x6 for pipes/shaders stock, so it was the overclockers card....thats why so many more sold that Ultras....Had the GT has 12 pipes, I think alot more Ultras woulda sold.

As far as ATi, the X800Pro only had 12 pipes, and only the Pro VIVOs could be flashed to open up the other 4. The X800XT and X800XT:pE came with 16.....so if you wanted 16 pipes coming from ATi, (more or less) you had to go XT or XT:pE.

And if you bench the 6800GT and the X800 Pro, the GT beats it most of the time....it doesn't STOMP it, it just beats it. So for everyone that diddn't wanna pay an arm and a leg for a videocard ($500 for MSRP, and when these cards came out they were ALOT MORE), they got the 6800GT which was still at MSRP. Alot of people refreshed their build on this gen, and the GT was the best card for the job....I know at least 5 people that got a GT.

But still, guess what I might buy next gen? Ati....why? Because I'm a benchmark whore...and I think their IQ is a little better than nVidia. It's all up to what you like. And to those of you who are intelligent in this thread trying to defend their favored card company....stop. Fighting with fan-boys online about which company is better when they're more or less even is like fighting with a retard....you have to be retarded yourself. :rolleyes:

Well that's enough outta me, I just figured it needed said. I just personally hope the G70 is faster than the R520 :D But if it's not, ATi next round it is.
 
texuspete00 said:
If having lots of disposable income makes you a loser... sign me up.

Having lots of disposable income doesn't make you a loser, but how you use it does.
 
Ricko said:
The cacophony of voices exalted against me seem to resound with the same tinny tone. There is a point to be made here: you guys simply cannot allow freedom of expression. If I rehearse the opinions that have now become standard consumer fodder I can fit in to the ranks of this good sites devotees. The maxims that I have offered have been denounced as baseless. Really? Hmmm. Others are saying the same things elsewhere and no heal is raised against them. Perhaps we should ask ourselves if we have become orwellian in our forced scrutinization of every thread that challenges our modicumistic minds. Yes. there are some of you that have exhibited a true desire to seek the germane meanings of what I have tried to say however, most are trodding in the ruts formed by others. Let us liberate ourselves from the languishment of the throngs...and actualize your uniquity.
Wow, taken straight from a pregenerated message.

Now we know he's trolling and using a script. You'd think the 12 year olds that write those things would at least spell check them.
 
As I stated earlier...be thankful that this thread offers you a little escape from the mundane minutae that is ubiquitous on these threads. Sure...you can close the thread down or even throw me off the site. But, what have you accomplished? Nothing. In reality you will entropize. The fact that everyone must conform to a regimented set of understood values is basically the premise of communism. I have not been defaming, deragatory and have not used profanity....just profundity. So, whats the problem. Just trying to get you guys to see....there is more to life than our techno opinions. Lighten up. I haven't hurt anyone...except...maybe made you think just a bit.
 
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