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Apple Making an iMac Touch

We all knew this is/was coming, have done so for a long time now. I'm just amazed that it's taking them so long to actually bring it to market. Given that HP has had their TouchSmart desktops coming up on close to 2 years now, it's just a question of "when" Apple will release it.

I said this years ago and I continue to repeat it from time to time: someday all input with computers/devices will be based primarily on touch, and physical keyboards with moving components/parts will simply fall to the wayside.

Should have had this stuff years ago but, at least it's finally happening...
 
The last thing I need on my iMac are fingerprints. No thanks.
 
Keyboards won't be obsolete for a very long time. touch screens just don't have the speed or feel of a classic keyboard. they'll only become obsolete when computers can accurately dictate your thoughts.
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Now release the fucking mactablet you ditched to make the crappad please.
 
Yep, Apple probably has no choice in this, these devices on the PC side are apparently doing pretty well, HP makes a TON of them along with several other companies.

Now I wonder what the Apple folk are going to say about a desktop OS not being optimized for touch. This will be interesting.
 
piscian18 said:
Now release the fucking mactablet you ditched to make the crappad please.
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Apple will have to tread this one VERY carefully. One one side they have the iPad and on the other they have Windows devices that will have a LOT of advantages in the full OS tablet area, especially on the ink side and talk about late to the game. Even Steve Jobs will have a tough time hyping Apples innovative nature with these things.
 
heatlesssun said:
Yep, Apple probably has no choice in this, these devices on the PC side are apparently doing pretty well, HP makes a TON of them along with several other companies.

Now I wonder what the Apple folk are going to say about a desktop OS not being optimized for touch. This will be interesting.
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Who says they aren't making a touch friendly version of osx or front end for it? I can almost guarantee apple just won't slap a touch screen in an imac and call it a day. Oh, and desktops OSs aren't optimized for touch, hence why most companies are trying to make front ends for theirs.
 
Ryan711 said:
Who says they aren't making a touch friendly version of osx or front end for it? I can almost guarantee apple just won't slap a touch screen in an imac and call it a day. Oh, and desktops OSs aren't optimized for touch, hence why most companies are trying to make front ends for theirs.
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Doesn't Windows 7 have a lot of touch functionality built in?
 
If theres one under $1500, my dad will probably get one.
 
Ryan711 said:
Who says they aren't making a touch friendly version of osx or front end for it? I can almost guarantee apple just won't slap a touch screen in an imac and call it a day. Oh, and desktops OSs aren't optimized for touch, hence why most companies are trying to make front ends for theirs.
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If people would look at the info presented you'd see the attempt is being made to use the device in two modes of operation: one as a typical computer with the display in primarily an upright position, and when tilted back for a "desktop" or surface style mode where it could potentially switch over to running iOS.

Apple already has two OSes, they're not about to do a third one... they have what they require for this type of machine already, and making OSX itself touch-capable is a relatively easy thing, to be honest, in a way similar to what the developers of the Modbook did.
 
Touch just doesn't work as well for me as a mouse. I can make miniscule inputs with the mouse that cover my screen real estate quickly, whereas touch would involve running my finger over the whole screen.

Plus, I can stand the fingerprints. I mean, I really, really hate them.
 
More touch stuff can't be bad, there has to be some missteps out there to get on the way to something good. No way am I giving up a good keyboard though, just need some improvement in bridging the two.
 
phide said:
Both Windows and OS X do.
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OS X has touch PAD support, not touch screen support, there is a bit of a difference. With a touch pad you are still assuming mouse like precision. Now granted there's not a lot in Windows 7 that makes the touch assumption except perhaps the task bar, that was designed with fingers in mind but not a lot else. Toshiba did add one intresting and actually major improvement to the default window controls on the W100, an window control overlay, tap the title bar and and very finger friendly overlay comes up that allows you to easily control a window, I hope that its something that makes its way into Windows 8 as it effectively solves one common complaint about Windows on a touch screen.
 
Interesting. Would explain the lack of news on OS 10.7 / OS 11 if they were waiting to bundle it in with a version of iOS for tablet use. Not sure I would care much for the iMac one, but in a MacBook / MacBook Pro it might be kind of cool. Then again it may never see the light of day :p
 
heatlesssun said:
OS X has touch PAD support, not touch screen support, there is a bit of a difference.
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If you have a touchscreen display of some sort, you can use it with OS X. Simple as that. A touchpad, by definition, is distinct from the display.
 
Bahamut said:
We all knew this is/was coming, have done so for a long time now. I'm just amazed that it's taking them so long to actually bring it to market. Given that HP has had their TouchSmart desktops coming up on close to 2 years now, it's just a question of "when" Apple will release it.

I said this years ago and I continue to repeat it from time to time: someday all input with computers/devices will be based primarily on touch, and physical keyboards with moving components/parts will simply fall to the wayside.

Should have had this stuff years ago but, at least it's finally happening...
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Yes cause it's definitely worth giving up my 80 wpm typing speed for touch. I've got a HP TM2T tablet and I can tell you I won't give up my keyboard for the onscreen one. I would love to stop carrying around a cloth to clean the screen to. Touch is nice for small mobile objects, but it just doesn't work in a desktop/ll-in-one,etc.
 
You know, every time I make that comment about someday everything will be touch oriented, I catch the same fucking flack for it (almost from the same fucking people) - you folks read too much into what others say more often than not.

While you and I won't be here 100 years from today (if you are, have mercy on your soul), the fact remains that someday keyboards as we know them to exist in this day and age and for some time remaining will not be the predominant form of data entry.

And that's all I said, in a somewhat different form.

/me notes this post was done at a brisk ~115 wpm which is my normal typing pace but could have been done at about twice that speed if I'd just plugged in my headset and used Dragon Dictate. Windows 7 also has speech recognition/dictation capabilities that are just fine but, as I paid a shitload of cash years ago for Dragon that's what I prefer to use and have trained over the past few years. I get roughly 99% accuracy and can crank out a post like this one incredibly fast, even with all the punctuation intact.

The TM2T has dual mics - not an array mic setup (that's 3, like on my old and I do mean old Toshiba M205 Tablet PC) - but those mics can be awfully useful once you do the training with Windows 7's speech recognition capabilities and turn those Tablet PCs into something entirely more useful than most owners even realize.

People read my comment and think "Oh that's guy's insane, I'll never give up my keyboard and mouse" and my post doesn't have anything to do with now - I said someday, which will come, someday, and when it does your keyboards and mice will nothing more than cannon fodder, so to speak.

Keyboards... talk about slow...
 
Bahamut said:
You know, every time I make that comment about someday everything will be touch oriented, I catch the same fucking flack for it (almost from the same fucking people) - you folks read too much into what others say more often than not.

While you and I won't be here 100 years from today (if you are, have mercy on your soul), the fact remains that someday keyboards as we know them to exist in this day and age and for some time remaining will not be the predominant form of data entry.

And that's all I said, in a somewhat different form.

/me notes this post was done at a brisk ~115 wpm which is my normal typing pace but could have been done at about twice that speed if I'd just plugged in my headset and used Dragon Dictate. Windows 7 also has speech recognition/dictation capabilities that are just fine but, as I paid a shitload of cash years ago for Dragon that's what I prefer to use and have trained over the past few years. I get roughly 99% accuracy and can crank out a post like this one incredibly fast, even with all the punctuation intact.

The TM2T has dual mics - not an array mic setup (that's 3, like on my old and I do mean old Toshiba M205 Tablet PC) - but those mics can be awfully useful once you do the training with Windows 7's speech recognition capabilities and turn those Tablet PCs into something entirely more useful than most owners even realize.

People read my comment and think "Oh that's guy's insane, I'll never give up my keyboard and mouse" and my post doesn't have anything to do with now - I said someday, which will come, someday, and when it does your keyboards and mice will nothing more than cannon fodder, so to speak.

Keyboards... talk about slow...
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ok.
 
i recall....... oh............13 years ago working in a restaurant them having windows XP based touch screen systems for the waitress.......

and apple is just NOW making a touch screen system........ WOW!

i guess what is scary is the amount of people who WILL think this is some NEW REVOLUTIONARY technolgy,,,,,,,,,,,,, glad i have at least... a half a brain cell, which could be questioned at times!
 
phide said:
If you have a touchscreen display of some sort, you can use it with OS X. Simple as that. A touchpad, by definition, is distinct from the display.
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Which currently no Mac has anyway. Like I said, touch screen support is a little more than turning a finger into a mouse, your Apple freinds point that out CONSTANTLY BTW. But I will give you some credit, you've not been as bad about slamming Windows 7 as a touch OS as some of your Apple cohorts.

I've been waiting for the day that Apple did this on OS X and I wonder what the Apple faithful response would be. I really don't see them slamming OS X touch support, which out of the gate will be considerably worse than Windows 7, I mean there are about no apps for this at all, at least on Windows there's a decent number and that number is growing fairly quickly and will explode next year as Windows 7 slates come on line.
 
Bahamut said:
You know, every time I make that comment about someday everything will be touch oriented, I catch the same fucking flack for it (almost from the same fucking people) - you folks read too much into what others say more often than not.
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You catch flack! I'm the biggest advocate of this technology (along with pens!) in this forum without question so I get it. You should some of the shit that the Apple faithful were throwing my way over the W100, totally trashing a device they hadn't even seen and as rude as anything.

So I more than get you.:D This is a natural evolution in computing at ALL levels, not just mobile devices. Now that Apple will bring it to their real OS machines, I have a feeling that the Apple folks tune will change like that.;)
 
Bahamut said:
I said this years ago and I continue to repeat it from time to time: someday all input with computers/devices will be based primarily on touch, and physical keyboards with moving components/parts will simply fall to the wayside.
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No. Touch is slow, dirty, inaccurate and tiring. The only interesting place for touch (and trackpads) is when the space is limited. And anyway, I+prefer sliding keyboards. Touch is a fad.
 
So instead of sorting out the bitrate problems. Or the Wacom support problem. They spend their time on a touch screen for casual consumers. Oh good. Reason 23454 why not to buy a crApples and to recommend that noone ever does ever again.
 
MrGuvernment said:
i recall....... oh............13 years ago working in a restaurant them having windows XP based touch screen systems for the waitress.......

and apple is just NOW making a touch screen system........ WOW!

i guess what is scary is the amount of people who WILL think this is some NEW REVOLUTIONARY technolgy,,,,,,,,,,,,, glad i have at least... a half a brain cell, which could be questioned at times!
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1. XP wasn't around 13 years ago. Windows 95 and (maybe) 98 were though. :p
2. Apple doesn't make new technology, they just make effective use of existing technology
 
pankkake said:
No. Touch is slow, dirty, inaccurate and tiring. The only interesting place for touch (and trackpads) is when the space is limited. And anyway, I+prefer sliding keyboards. Touch is a fad.
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No dirtier than your mouse or keyboard. No, touch isn't the greatest input method but it's portable and even on a larger screen it allows for types of interactions that are intuitive and simple.

The great thing about being a Tablet PC guy all these years is that I've come to appreciate all forms of input. Keyboards, mice, track pads, touch and pen ALL have their place and each has its strengths and weaknesses. They really aren't analogs of each other though they are capable of similar things.

Track pads and balls are compact, touch is simple and intuitive, mice work best sitting, physical keyboards are the fastest for text entry and pens are the most accurate.
 
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