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It's not exactly a challenge for the FBI to get a search warrant.
So that makes search warrants invalid? I think this will go to court and Apple is going to lose.
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It's not exactly a challenge for the FBI to get a search warrant.
Sorry, Tim Cook is being a grandstanding drama queen attempting to divert the argument. This is a court order for a specific phone. Not sure why there isn't just a warrant, but a judge's court order should surpass that. The FBI can request any other pie in the sky stuff they wish and ask for unlimited access to everything in the world, but Apple is only required to comply with the letter of the court order.
It's not exactly a challenge for the FBI to get a search warrant.
lol @ those who are mincing semantics to try and say it's not a backdoor. If you actually fully read what's in Tim Cook's letter, he specifically mentions they asked for the PRIVATE KEYS. That kind of 1984 Orwellian crap scares me way more than some .00001% chance of me getting shot by some radical jihad.
I just watched a documentary on the Black Panthers on PBS last night. The FBI was using every underhanded trick they had to end and discredit the organization. After watching the FBI get the police to assassinate a man via a knockless-warrant using fully automatic weapons from outside an apartment at 5 am with family members inside the apartment, my faith in them is rather lessened.
Aren't there already agencies that have this ability? One would think so.
You don't know his thinking on this. Same thing happens with all the people calling Trump, Hitler. They only know his words, not the thoughts behind them.
The letter I read at Customer Letter - Apple gave a different impression:If you actually fully read what's in Tim Cook's letter, he specifically mentions they asked for the PRIVATE KEYS. That kind of 1984 Orwellian crap scares me way more than some .00001% chance of me getting shot by some radical jihad.
These devices are our personal property. Why should the government get any access to such a thing? I thought this was the land of the free?
There needs to be some actual standards and enforced laws about how and when warrants and court orders are handed out.
I don't understand why the government needs access anyways. The guy is dead, there is no further threat. Any information the could need, they probably have already obtained from other sources.
Government agencies are corrupt, broken, and utterly incompetent.
You know, months ago the Government asked Apple to work with them to find a satisfactory way to handle this. Apple refused, Tim Cook refused. Now the Government is starting to make demands and I am sure of one thing. All of us would be much happier with a solution that Apple has a hand in creating then a solution that the Government forces down Apple's throat.
It's foolish to think that Apple is going to stand up to them on this or that a plea to the people is going to change the train wreck that coming and this is on Tim Cook.
I need to take a break from this one, go to lunch.
I think this only has to do with LE knowing that is has all the information it can about this killer. Just that simple.In this one specific case, maybe. This isn't about a single case though. It's never about a single case. They'll get access and then be able to get it again and again and again with no oversight and no worry about any real consequences for their actions. I feel sorry for the families of the people who were killed but exactly what will this solve other than making us feel better until the next time?
In this one specific case, maybe. This isn't about a single case though. It's never about a single case. They'll get access and then be able to get it again and again and again with no oversight and no worry about any real consequences for their actions. I feel sorry for the families of the people who were killed but exactly what will this solve other than making us feel better until the next time?
Well at least someone gets it. Most judges are dumb when it comes to tech issues like this. Plus judges are a dime a dozen, I suspect that most of them are just sheeple that will always give the govt any warrant it wants without reasonable cause. How many times about of the thousands of warrant requests has a FISA judge ever denied one? Answer: literally almost zero: FISA Court Has Rejected .03 Percent Of All Government Surveillance Requests
The issue some of you fail to understand, this isn't really Apple objecting to the FBI getting access to one phone. It's about setting precedence. If Apple does this for one phone, the govt will come with more phones. Pretty soon thousands of phones will be unlocked and then the FBI will say 'well you already are unlocking thousands of phones for us now, why not just put the backdoor on everything'.
lol @ those who are mincing semantics to try and say it's not a backdoor. If you actually fully read what's in Tim Cook's letter, he specifically mentions they asked for the PRIVATE KEYS. That kind of 1984 Orwellian crap scares me way more than some .00001% chance of me getting shot by some radical jihad.
No surprise here, Apple is wrong on this one. Here is my reasoning.
Anyone that thinks they will not be forced to comply is crazy, the Government will crush Apple before they allow Apple to do this. They will impose such penalties that Apple will be financially destroyed. In fact, I imagine Tim Cook will find himself up on criminal charges as well.
This is going to play out in an interesting fashion and I can see other large tech companies backing Apple on this as a way to get back a little goodwill since the NSA leaks.
My question is, can you even install a new version of the OS without the access key? I thought iTunes required you to unlock it to flash the new OS update, if you didn't, it'd just wipe the data. It'd make sense to be this way if the device is completely encrypted.
If that is the case, then Apple took an interesting PR approach here - instead of rightfully claiming it can't be done on a technical level and that loading a "hacked" OS will simply write over the phone's data (factory reset), they chose to PR crusade the shit out of it.
I wish I could believe that. But this feels more like exploiting a tragedy. I have a hard time trusting the government these days, even when it seems like the initial ideas have good intentions.
Yes, you house has curtains, mainly for privacy, that however does not keep the government out with a search warrant. Your intent has little to do with the court saying that LEO can snoop.Yes but if all the data inside that bank vault is encrypted...the intent of the user is privacy. They are stripping the user of that right.
It's like the FBI using infrared cameras to find people who grow pot inside their home (who are dumb asses btw) They Supreme court ruled that what can not be clearly seen in public has to be obtained with a warrant. The advancement of technology to extend our ability to see things we normally can't does not apply.
What level should it be taken to?
THE FBI is trying to unlock a cell phone through a judge so it can be done legally. The CIA probably has already unlocked the phone and has all the intelligence since day 1 , the FBI is just a organization to uphold civil liberties and privacy rights. This is just all a show by the government to make the U.S. population think they are doing what is right before hacking a encrypted computer/phone from a u.s. citizen.
I am pretty sure some organizations within the FBI cyber security and especially the CIA have unique backdoors to every hardware device made and even OS backdoors. The CIA especially has the ability to intercept computer hardware such as routers and reflash the firmware unknowingly to the buyer which might be some big wig IT company that is being investigated and spied on. This has been going on since the internet was invented without the public knowledge and was almost leaked after 911 however due to national security the government prosecuted several FBI /CIA agents before being leaked to the NY times. Present day the U.S. public is finally aware what really goes on but it took a rogue agent named Snowden to finally put this to rest. I personally think snowden is a hero just for the fact he believed in the 4th amendment and he knew already since 9/11 that the government has gone way to far spying on its own citizens. There are many examples of the CIA tapping into cell phone companies, email, etc. ..goes on and on for the last 15 years.
"The Fourth Amendment of the Constitution prohibits “unreasonable searches and seizures.” Seizure – the taking of private information – is what the government has now been forced to admit. Whether or not the state ever chooses to “search” the seized information, the universal, non-consensual seizure itself of what used to be called “pen register” data grossly invades individual privacy and vastly empowers government, all in violation of the Constitution if “unreasonable".
I support Apple on this, but they will probably get crushed in court. The one thing I can see preventing this is funding: Who is going to pay the Apple engineers to develop the solution the gov is asking for? I don't think they can force a company to do that, at least without some complications. Maybe if they passed a law requiring it they could force compliance with the law, but to force a company to develop a solution just because?
I support Apple on this, but they will probably get crushed in court. The one thing I can see preventing this is funding: Who is going to pay the Apple engineers to develop the solution the gov is asking for? I don't think they can force a company to do that, at least without some complications. Maybe if they passed a law requiring it they could force compliance with the law, but to force a company to develop a solution just because?
Why I support Apple on this goes beyond privacy, and if it came to pass that they have a tool to decrypt devices based on brand then it should be a simple matter of getting that tool to work remotely. Once that's done, all ur base are hacked. A phone has become the last safe refuge for pics of your girlfriend's beaver, which certainly shouldn't be evidence for anything (except maybe your bravery in wading through the weeds) but would get extracted as part of a search for evidence. When executing a search warrant, they only take evidence; with digital searches they'll take everything and sort it out later.
Thing regarding the terrorism issue is this - Anything transmitted to/from that phone has already been snatched, so decrypting the phone is pointless unless they want stuff that's on the phone and only on the phone. Maybe there's some encrypted messages that they caught and can't decrypt, so they're hoping that accessing the phone will be a workaround. Still, these aren't exactly criminal masterminds here and I think the DoJ is barking up the wrong tree.
Can't disagree with Apple here. While I would love to help Uncle Sam get into the terrorists phone the precedence that would be set just isn't worth it.
Taken from another site:
"As Tim Cook clearly understands, the government wants access to every phone on the planet. The United States Justice Department's Federal Bureau of Investigation has CHOSEN carefully this CASE as an opportunity to revoke your Constitutional Right to privacy during a time when the SCOTUS cannot rule against the government's writ."
Seems like a reasonable theory.
Why I support Apple on this goes beyond privacy, and if it came to pass that they have a tool to decrypt devices based on brand then it should be a simple matter of getting that tool to work remotely. Once that's done, all ur base are hacked. A phone has become the last safe refuge for pics of your girlfriend's beaver, which certainly shouldn't be evidence for anything (except maybe your bravery in wading through the weeds) but would get extracted as part of a search for evidence. When executing a search warrant, they only take evidence; with digital searches they'll take everything and sort it out later.