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Apple Backtracks on EPEAT

Trimlock said:
At a family gathering I was at with a laptop an unknown relative came over and sparked conversation by saying his MBP was vastly superior to my laptop and I should get rid of my junk and buy a real laptop. I just told him he was wrong and ignored him. He later came back and wanted me to prove his laptop was not the better laptop, clearly angry... Really angry!
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Please continue....
 
I knew this was gonna bite them in the ass. But I suspect they will now play a large role in revamping EPEATs certification, since I highly doubt Apple will compromise on their manufacturing process.
 
forcefed said:
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So the new retina macbooks most likely aren't eligible since the batteries are glue to the casing, i'll bet its only the older products that were put back on EPEAT. It would be nice to see a list of the products that were pulled and then put back.
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Does that mean they're making it optional now?
 
I think Apple realized that brown Apples don't sell as well as green Apples. I'm waiting for Apple to come up with something that they call "Butter" that they can trademark, then they can sue jam makers. :D
 
Not very Jobsian. This kind of behavior isn't what people expect of Apple, and probably isn't what's good for Apple.
 
In other words, "Oh Crap, governments all over were starting to drop us, we can't lose that money!"

Now I just wonder how long it takes until EPEAT forcibly removes them.
 
So basically Apple is just putting the products that do pass the certification back on the list instead of removing all of their products? Simple enough.
 
forcefed said:
Keyword = eligible



So the new retina macbooks most likely aren't eligible since the batteries are glue to the casing, i'll bet its only the older products that were put back on EPEAT. It would be nice to see a list of the products that were pulled and then put back.
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I was thinking the same thing. The reason Apple backed away from EPEAT was because they wanted to fuck over the consumers by gluing the batteries inside so you can't ever replace them, instead you've got to buy a new laptop or upgrade to a more expensive warranty.

There's more, though. Apparently Apple gave themselves the "Gold" rating and the EPEAT hasn't yet reviewed their products for compliance, but considering the glue is almost certainly still there, it's unlikely to pass. This means that they likely can't sell MBPr's but they can sell the other expensive crap they peddle.

The Electronics TakeBack Coalition -- a pro-recycling group whose members range from the Silicon Valley Toxics Coalition to the Environmental Defense Fund -- was quick to spot the sleight of hand.
"We seriously doubt that these Mac Books should qualify for EPEAT at any level," wrote Barbara Kyle, the ETBC's National Coordinator, on the organization's website, "because we think they flunk two required criteria in the 'Design for End of Life' section of the standard. They are:
Criterion 4.3.1.3: External enclosures shall be easily removable by one person alone with commonly available tools.
While you can open up the enclosure, you can't completely remove one half of the casing from the large group of batteries. They are glued to the case with industrial strength glue.
Criterion 4.3.1.5 Identification and removal of components containing hazardous materials.
This criteria specifically applies to batteries, as well as circuit boards over 10 cm2 and other components, and says they must be safely and easily removable. Gluing the battery in does not quality as 'easily removable.' In fact, it's exactly the kind of design that this standard seeks to discourage."
So how did the new MacBooks get those Gold label ratings?
Kyle explains: "It's important to understand that the manufacturers grade themselves against the EPEAT criteria first, and then EPEAT conducts a review of this grading. That EPEAT review has not yet occurred. They can require the manufacturers to remove any product from the registry if it is not found to conform to the IEEE standard."
She adds: "Apple is often a design leader in electronics, but they really blew it here."
Meanwhile, the folks at Investor Village's AAPL Sanity board have shed some light on the timing Apple's initial withdrawl from EPEAT. It turns out that there's an annual fee for getting on the registry and a separate fee for each listed product. These fees are not insubstantial. In Apple's case they come to several million dollars a year, and they came due on July 1.
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http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/14/how-did-the-new-macbook-pros-get-gold-level-green-ratings/
 
pelo said:
This means that they likely can't sell MBPr's but they can sell the other expensive crap they peddle.
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Are you mad that the Macbook Pro retina is so in demand that the current backorder is 2-3 weeks? I'm sure the first thing that you look for when you buy an appliance is that gold EPEAT sticker. Good for you..good for you.
 
Support both Android and Apple guys. Competition = better products. I'm an iPhone user but the new Galaxies have peaked my interest. I wish they could run ios.
 
pelo said:
I was thinking the same thing. The reason Apple backed away from EPEAT was because they wanted to fuck over the consumers by gluing the batteries inside so you can't ever replace them, instead you've got to buy a new laptop or upgrade to a more expensive warranty.
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Or you pay Apple a hundred clams or so to replace them for you, which is about what you'd pay just for the battery in many high-end laptops.

Such doom and gloom for such a non-issue.
 
wonderfield said:
Or you pay Apple a hundred clams or so to replace them for you, which is about what you'd pay just for the battery in many high-end laptops.

Such doom and gloom for such a non-issue.
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$200 actually, and it's more than other laptops using the slim battery design. Furthermore, you obviously can't do it on your own. The glue they used doesn't just hold together the batteries but it actually encases the molex connector, meaning there's no feasible way for you to do it on your own.
 
apple care is only $180 for three years with a student discount if it bothers you enough
 
mope54 said:
apple care is only $180 for three years with a student discount if it bothers you enough
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The point is you shouldn't be forced into buying it because they're senselessly gluing the battery in.

I don't get some of you. You're on [H] not Mac-Rumors. Apple is gluing the battery in to pull a fast one and offer less for more by requiring an Apple-tech to replace an important part in any given notebook. Instead of asking why they're using glue to cover the molex adapter at all, you're saying there's a discount for students for Applecare? You've gotta be fucking kidding me. You never bothered to ask yourself why it was done this way in the first place?
 
yeah I asked myself and came up with the more rational explanation that they designed the thinnest device available to-date rather than some cockamamie conspiracy theory.

You don't even have a basis for your claim. Apple's consumers, for the most part, didn't swap out their batteries themselves before the batteries were glued in.
 
http://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro/service/battery/

Took 2 seconds. $199 + taxes.

Also, there's no practical reason for using glue over tiny screws, and even if you want to use glue instead of screws for the thin form factor and whatever reason you'd like to come up with, it doesn't explain why the molex adapter is covered in goo as well. What was the reasoning for that one? Just being a bit too liberal on every single model of that notebook? Because somebody would steal the molex adapter? Give me a break.
 
pelo said:
$200 actually, and it's more than other laptops using the slim battery design.
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I'll take your word for it, but I'm not sure why this matters terribly. You originally claimed that you have two options when the time comes for battery replacement: buy an entirely new machine or have purchased AppleCare in the past. There's a third option. A pretty sensible third option, in actuality.

pelo said:
The point is you shouldn't be forced into buying it because they're senselessly gluing the battery in.
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You aren't. See above.

pelo said:
I don't get some of you. You're on [H] not Mac-Rumors.
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No idea what that's supposed to mean. "You're here, not there!" Great. This matters?

pelo said:
You never bothered to ask yourself why it was done this way in the first place?
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No, I know why it was done this way. I do not need to ask.
 
Please 'splain. Covering a molex adapter in glue was done because...?

What's the sensible third option, btw? Go to Apple (because you can't go elsewhere and can't do it on your own due to the glue on the adapter and battery) to get the battery replaced and pay >$200?
 
MavericK96 said:
Don't buy Apple products? :p
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Pretty much. And it's not like this is new for them. They control hardware and software with an iron fist and they've done this for decades. Use proprietary parts and require that you go to them to buy it, paying hand over fist. The gluing in of the battery and limiting user upgrades isn't anything new here but rather Apple following the same trend.

You don't become the world's #1 most profitable corporation by giving your consumers breaks. You do it by screwing them in every way possible and with marketing.
 
pelo said:
What's the sensible third option, btw? Go to Apple (because you can't go elsewhere and can't do it on your own due to the glue on the adapter and battery) to get the battery replaced and pay >$200?
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Yeah. That's pretty sensible, in my opinion. I've purchased batteries with a tenth of the capacity for about a third that cost in the past year.
 
battery


$60 bucks. Same class as the MBPr with the battery within the metal case and a thin design.

While manufacturers are making batteries cheaper and looking to standardize them, Apple is gluing them in and spiking up prices.
 
http://www.atbatt.com/product/23260...xtlink-laptop&utm_campaign=shopping2&shopping screwed the link. $60 bucks for an Envy 15t battery replacement.


wonderfield said:
Yeah. That's pretty sensible, in my opinion. I've purchased batteries with a tenth of the capacity for about a third that cost in the past year.
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Yet there are alternatives that cost a third of the price and you can do it by yourself.

You still haven't answered why the molex adapter is glued forcing you to go to Apple and only Apple to replace the battery at >$200, which you seem to think is a good deal compared to the $60 HP replacement.
 
pelo said:
battery


$60 bucks. Same class as the MBPr with the battery within the metal case and a thin design.

While manufacturers are making batteries cheaper and looking to standardize them, Apple is gluing them in and spiking up prices.
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what? LMFAO

that's one of the best non-sequitors I've ever seen


where does that state anyone will offer to replace a laptop battery for $60? it doesn't even say that batteries will *cost* $60 dollars for an end-user to purchase and put in himself.
 
pelo said:
http://www.atbatt.com/product/23260...xtlink-laptop&utm_campaign=shopping2&shopping screwed the link. $60 bucks for an Envy 15t battery replacement.
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Apple doesn't charge $200 dollars to sell you a battery over the counter...it's $200 for them to replace the battery (and it's always been that price even when consumers could purchase one from ebay and install it themselves).

show us a manufacturer that will replace and install a battery for $60 or less than $200 if you're going to claim that Apple is gouging customers for the service.

How much does it cost to have such a service done for a standard battery in a compaq at geek squad, for example, since that's a roughly analogous service for non-apple laptops.
 
pelo said:
$60 bucks for an Envy 15t battery replacement.
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That's a 53 watt-hour battery. The MBP Retina battery is a 95 watt-hour battery. How much would HP charge to replace the Envy 15t's battery?

pelo said:
You still haven't answered why the molex adapter is glued forcing you to go to Apple and only Apple to replace the battery at >$200
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I believe you've answered your own question. Your confusion stems from the belief that I care about that. I don't.

pelo said:
...which you seem to think is a good deal compared to the $60 HP replacement.
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No, I said I thought it was sensible. Not a "good deal" in comparison to some other battery.
 
You're on [H], you're afraid to replace a battery by yourself? How hard is it? Right, impossible with an MBPr because you can't technically replace it unless you work at Applecare.

$60 bucks + shipping and taxes and a whole 5 minutes to replace a battery on my own at the comfort of my own home. Meanwhile, you're handing over $220 to Apple replace a battery and have no qualms about doing that and don't believe you're getting screwed at all.

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mope54 said:
How much does it cost to have such a service done for a standard battery in a compaq at geek squad, for example, since that's a roughly analogous service for non-apple laptops.
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Well...seeing as most other laptops just have an external battery, there's no reason for a "service" since you can just buy the battery and put it in the machine in like 5 seconds.

And using Geek Squad as a metric for reasonable pricing is a mistake in and of itself.
 
interesting way of going about trying to prove your point

it might have passed over your head but the fact that we're on [H], and been here for a good many years long than you, should indicate that if I had a new macbook pro and if I needed to replace the battery I wouldn't be worried about glue on a battery


if glue on a molex is confounding you perhaps you should try a fisher price?
 
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