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I know there are some issues with vertical mounts running only PCIE 3 and not 4 but other than that, anyone run into any issues? Thanks!
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The Lian Li O11D and O11D-XL are 2 of the few models that do recess the card back far enough, additionally most of the pcie replacement kits like the coolermaster and phanteks do sit the card back far enough since they replace all the PCIE slots directly (giving 3-4 inches of adequate space for the vertical GPU depending on the case).Usually it's for water-cooled cards. Most cases have the vertical mount for the GPU too close to the side panel and it restricts airflow for an air-cooled card, GN has talked about this numerous times.
Did you try manually setting the PCIe 16x slots to PCI 3.0 in BIOS? As you said, PCIe 4 card and board, PCIe 3 cable- it was probably trying to run at 4.0 speed and getting signal degradation.I ran into some odd issues with my Phanteks 90 degree PCIe riser cable. Ended up pulling it out of my system.
The riser cable worked with my old EVGA 980 SC and my new X570 motherboard. However, when I installed my new 3070 Founders Edition card, things went sideways.
Details below, for other folks who are searching for the same issue.
On first boot, the BIOS logo painted on the screen very slowly. Windows then took much longer than normal to boot to the login screen. Once logged in, the mouse was sluggish and would keep moving after I stopped moving the mouse. Almost as if the inputs were delayed. I attempted to install newer drivers, and while the driver install did succeed, the computer locked up shortly there after. On reboot, it took an exceptionally log time to boot into Windows again.
I removed the PCI riser cable and installed the 3070 in the same slot used previously. The machine booted into Windows without issue.
HW involved. NVIDIA 3070FE, Phanteks PH-CBRS-PR22 220mm Premium shielded riser cable and Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming Motherboard.
So, PCI-Express 4.0 card and motherboard. Meanwhile, the Phanteks Riser cable spec sheet only calls out PCI-Express 3.0 compatibility. So while this is disappointing, it is not entirely unexpected.
This I think is a pcie 4.0 thing, I've read alot of folks have to go to their mobo bios and set it to 3.0 manually since most of the riser kit cables are 3.0.I ran into some odd issues with my Phanteks 90 degree PCIe riser cable. Ended up pulling it out of my system.
The riser cable worked with my old EVGA 980 SC and my new X570 motherboard. However, when I installed my new 3070 Founders Edition card, things went sideways.
Details below, for other folks who are searching for the same issue.
On first boot, the BIOS logo painted on the screen very slowly. Windows then took much longer than normal to boot to the login screen. Once logged in, the mouse was sluggish and would keep moving after I stopped moving the mouse. Almost as if the inputs were delayed. I attempted to install newer drivers, and while the driver install did succeed, the computer locked up shortly there after. On reboot, it took an exceptionally log time to boot into Windows again.
I removed the PCI riser cable and installed the 3070 in the same slot used previously. The machine booted into Windows without issue.
HW involved. NVIDIA 3070FE, Phanteks PH-CBRS-PR22 220mm Premium shielded riser cable and Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming Motherboard.
So, PCI-Express 4.0 card and motherboard. Meanwhile, the Phanteks Riser cable spec sheet only calls out PCI-Express 3.0 compatibility. So while this is disappointing, it is not entirely unexpected.
No. That's something to test. I went function over form and ripped out the cable. Honestly, I am curious to know what electrical differences there are between a PCI 3.0 and 4.0 connector.Did you try manually setting the PCIe 16x slots to PCI 3.0 in BIOS? As you said, PCIe 4 card and board, PCIe 3 cable- it was probably trying to run at 4.0 speed and getting signal degradation.
Electrically there is no difference, 4.0 is double the bandwidth though so some of the parts are made out of a little bit different materials but design and pin layout wise its the exact same.No. That's something to test. I went function over form and ripped out the cable. Honestly, I am curious to know what electrical differences there are between a PCI 3.0 and 4.0 connector.
Bummer. But at least there is some consistency. I wonder if this is specific to the Strix x570-eI can confirm that I need to run pcie-3.0 on my system to be stable. AMD Ryzen 5600x on a Asus Strix x570-e. PCI-E 4.0 setting does the weird sluggish graphics and eventual nv driver crash causing a BSOD whenever a 3d application is run.
Thanks for the link to the 4.0 cable. Here's hoping the price on those come down someElectrically there is no difference, 4.0 is double the bandwidth though so some of the parts are made out of a little bit different materials but design and pin layout wise its the exact same.
That said there aren't many 4.0 riser cables out there, not sure how much testing has been done on them to verify their capability though this is the only one I've found: 4.0 riser cable
According to the reviews the one with the red plastic shrouding is the new 2020 pcie 4.0 version of the cable, worth a shot since its easily returnable to amazon.
The design of it looks like it would work with the phanteks riser kit too, the only concern is the length of the cable depending on which slots you installed it.
Thats one of the reasons I went with the regular O11D, didnt want to have to mess with pcie adapter headers, one usb-c and one usb 3.0 is perfect for my older Z390 board and leaves all the 2.0 slots for RGB controllers and misc accessories.https://linkup.one/pcie-4-0-riser-cables-ultra/
Straight from the company that makes the cable. They have a 5% coupon code in the chat bot window on their website. After browsing around, I found a USB cable adapter I need to make my lower USB ports useful on my case as I only had 1 USB 3.0 header on my motherboard but the Lian Li 011DXL has 3 cable headers for USB C, USB 3.1 and USB 3.0. The strix has USB C and USB 3.1 but 2 USB 2.0 headers.
I plan on putting normal fans up there for venting eventually, for now I prefer to have fresh air from the side intake of the case that will reduce the temps by around 5c (maybe more depending on the GPU heat since thats still air cooled for me)putting the cpu rad on top would help heat vent out better.
Sometimes it's just for looks, but it can also free up slots that would otherwise be blocked by the vid card or allow for better cooling depending on the case design.what is the point in running it vertically?...just aesthetics?
I'd say 95+% of the time its for aesthetics, the rest of the time would likely be for better air flow through and/or access to ports as zandor mentioned.what is the point in running it vertically?...just aesthetics?
which vertical mount are you using i just got the 3090 ftw3 card and i amquite not sure which mount to get so that i can still have the bottom fans
Because the motherboard is horizontal.what is the point in running it vertically?...just aesthetics?
It’s also very beneficial for watercooling as it allows people to see the water blocks a lot easier to notice any potential blockages or growths before they become a bigger issue.I'd say 95+% of the time its for aesthetics, the rest of the time would likely be for better air flow through and/or access to ports as zandor mentioned.
A decade ago it was introduced to help with heat dissipation in conjunction with blower style cards in sli rigs.what is the point in running it vertically?...just aesthetics?