Any using an LG Oled just as a pc monitor ?

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  1. vincentsixtysix

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    how is the input lag ? / screen retention issues? how is for reading texts fonts and doing productivity work like excel ?
     
  2. Murzilka

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    Yeah man, I do. Everything is perfect. Just lock the fps at the refresh rate with RTSS and you are golden.
     
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  3. MacLeod

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    I've read OLED's are prone to screen burn in like plasmas were. Has that not been a problem?
     
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  4. Murzilka

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    Not at all. I use it as a normal pc monitor day and night - no burn in. I have black dsktop background though.
     
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    if they had a 37" at less than $1k I'd probably bite.
     
  6. vincentsixtysix

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    if they even had a 49 " i 'd bite lol
     
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    Same. A 49" would be perfect for my desk.
     
  8. vincentsixtysix

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    you can always use the nvidia panel to downsize the screeen to a 43 inch ,
     
  9. RPGWiZaRD

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    I'd pick one up instantly if they released a 46 - 49", although not for monitor but TV use, price doesn't matter too much, it just has to fit the room which 55" won't in our living room (doors and windows everywhere). Wonder how much longer we have to wait for even one smaller step in size, that's all I need!
     
  10. Lateralus

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    I am. 2017 LG 55". I was holding off due to the high price and the size, but when they went on sale several weeks ago and I was able to get it for hundreds less than I paid for my Samsung 48" JS9000 quantum dot 4K set a couple of years ago, I jumped in.

    It's an incredible display. Honestly, 55" is larger than my ideal size for a monitor, but the image quality is such that I've made that compromise. I play a lot of dark/horror games and the blacks on the OLED blow away even the better VA panels that I've used. I've also used it to watch several movies in addition to my normal day to day use, and those look quite stunning also.

    I've experienced no burn-in or even temporary image retention. I followed some precautionary tips that were posted by fellow OLED owner Nitemare3219 which appear to work quite well when using the display as a monitor.

    I, along with many others here, have been waiting for the magical unicorn monitor that is a 40-43" 4K 120Hz (preferably with G-Sync) but it was taking sooo long. Even if one were released right now in the form of an IPS or VA panel, I'm not sure that I would be willing to give up OLED image quality. So like a number of the rest of you, I would love to have an OLED around 43" but I haven't heard of anything like this being developed. Few TV manufacturers are releasing their high-end sets in sizes smaller than 55" and PC monitor manufacturers who focus on those sizes aren't using OLED. If one comes along and gets good reviews I will likely buy it and use the LG to replace one of our older 1080p flat screen TVs, but until that time I am extremely happy and my previous worries about image retention have proven to be a non issue.
     
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    place it further away, problem solved. Compared to a 43", you only have to put it 28% farther.
    I sit 28 inches from my 43".
    which is about the same as sitting 3 feet from a 55"
     
  12. vincentsixtysix

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    or you vesa mount it horizontally and only allow the screen only up to 4k -- like 40 inches,.
     
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    if you were able to underscan the screen to 40" size, it would look like shit because it's not 1:1 pixel ratio.
     
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    If I saw something even around 40 I'd be sorely tempted.

    For gamers: How's input lag and response time on these bad boys?
     
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    It's great as far as TVs go for input lag, but it doesn't compare to a gaming monitor with GSYNC.
     
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    I have been using LG C7P as primary computer monitor for about 9 months now. It is an amazing PC display for gaming and movies.

    It is overkill if all you are going to be running is excel (and the auto dimming can be annoying on full screen productivity screens that do not change enough to stop the dimming).
     
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    just checked the CES 2018 links, looks like LG might be dropping a 49 version of this, which is still way too big but at least usable
     
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    49" isnt too bad as far as size goes. Its at the maximum limit of a good size pc monitor IMO. It will be interesting to see how the new model works out.
     
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    AFAIK they're only adding a 77" size to the existing 55" and 65" models in their OLED lineup. You probably mistook a 49" from their LCD lineup for an OLED.
     
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    oo, your right its lcd. okay then maybe 2019 folks
     
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    My reaction every year around this time when hearing no smaller LG OLED TVs are going to appear this year

    Same place next year guys ;/
     
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    An open box model with couple of hunded hours of use time. Apparently that was almost fully static screen in shop-floor torch brightness because for RTings.com it took about 3 weeks of abuse before first clear signs of permanent burn-in started to appear. Though there is a possibility that their sample just happened to be a particularly burn-in resistant.

    https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled

    To my knowledge, just like with last models of Plasma you can cause permanent burn-in if you are an idiot with your screen but with normal use and constantly changing picture it should not be a problem. I would not use one for surfing the internet long periods of time or working with excel sheet though.
     
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    Yeah, not really sure what that video is supposed to prove. Sure, they CAN burn in. There is a thread over at AVS Forum with people who have experienced it. But many, including myself, haven't.

    Been using mine as a monitor since October with zero problems. Mine looks perfect. Games and movies look absolutely incredible.
     
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    I have 2 65" OLED's in the house. A 2016 E6 and a 2017 C7 which i use for a desktop monitor as i sold my 34" 100hz. I have had no issues with image retention or burn in. Movies and gaming on these things is just something else.
     
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    Hi Guys im thinking to get a LG OLED B7 "55 as a computer monitor may i browse the internet with it?should i get image retention if i do so? any tips on how to avoid image retention?
     
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    You can do it. I'm taking a few extra precautions (see this post for some tips). I don't know if they're absolutely necessary but I'd rather be safe than sorry, because the B7 is gorgeous and I want to keep it that way! :)

    The biggest thing I think (besides being mindful not to leave static images on the screen for long periods of time) is to make sure that you turn the OLED light down. The good thing is that you will want to do this anyway, because the TV is insanely bright at higher settings. The post I linked to above said to set it to 20-30 but I think I ended up setting mine to 10 and it doesn't feel dim at all. You can turn it up when watching TV and movies but brighter settings supposedly accelerate image retention when viewing static content. I just leave mine set to 10 all the time though - again, in my environment the TV is more than bright enough at that setting! If you're in a really bright room you may find it desirable to increase the OLED light setting.

    My concerns about image retention and OLED were way overblown. I just wish they were available in a smaller size. If one in the 40-49" range ever gets released I'm buying it and using my 55" B7 to replace one of our older 1080p HDTVs.
     
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    Thank you! honestly how long its a long period of time?..
    Man i dream about this oled,but im going to watch letter box movies,surf the web,download torrents,play starcraft,shadow warrior 2 or video chat on skype the same things i do with my samsung 4k i panic about getting the oled and do this same things and find out i cant beacuse of image retention not to mention burn.
    Do you own an Oled?do you use it as a pc monitor?
     
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    I have an 55" LG OLED, but not as a monitor. Why? It's really just too big IMHO. I mean you could push it farther away I suppose, but probably a waste of money at that point. Filling up beyond your field of vision might make gaming more realistic, but you'll also die more often.
     
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    "How long is a long period of time?"

    There's no consensus on that from what I've seen. The time it takes for IR and burn-in to happen varies with the color(s) displayed and the intensity of the OLED light. I wouldn't ever leave anything running for hours on end, but that's just me being extra precautious.

    Yes I own one and use it as a monitor, as I explained above in one of the posts that you liked. Hehe. I have personal experience with this and have used mine fairly extensively for gaming, movies, and general use.


    Why? For me personally, it's because I play a lot of dark/horror games and no other monitor that I've used comes close to matching the perfect blacks and overall image quality. Yes, it's larger than what I'd prefer but I'm willing to make that compromise for the stunning image quality. Smaller ones will come eventually I hope, and I would have zero issues with upgrading one of our older sets with this one.

    Simple as that. If I were using it only for internet and productivity, sure I agree with you.

    I don't worry about what other people use. :) Lots of gamers choose to run smaller, high refresh displays. I have no desire to go back to a small monitor and a 27" G-Sync display holds very little appeal to me but I don't go into those threads and ask how they can do such a thing, lol.
     
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    I have a 55" LG OLED. I have zero burn in. The response time is not as good as a high end gaming monitor, but I have not noticed any issues for myself. If you are trying to do competitive gaming, it may not be the best choice. For casual regular gaming, I find that it is phenomenal in performance, especially with black levels. The black levels are truly insane.

    As for the things I don't quite like about it, nothing smaller than 55" these days it seems, I would have preferred 45". When viewing for longer periods of time it does hurt my eyes a little bit, so I tend to take regular breaks (which you should do anyway). That is about it though.
     
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    Extremely well said! It's not for everyone. No product is. But currently it's what I choose to use because it works best for me. If I prioritized super high refresh rates or the lowest possible input lag, or I decided that 55" was simply too large, I would be using something else. I've had everything from 120Hz ULMB monitors to 34" ultrawides to a 48" 4K quantum dot set and right now, this is what I prefer over anything else that I've used. The image quality is pretty ridiculous and makes it worth dealing with the minor compromises.
     
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    For awhile I chased best performance, but then I found many of the games just felt more dull due to the picture quality. I remembered the time I had the best gaming experience was on my design monitor which was a CRT, but has absolutely beautiful colors. That, and the face that SLI and widescreen gaming seemed to become too cumbersome for the benefit, are why i switched. I have been extremely happy with it. I feel like my gaming experience now is leaps and bounds better than it was before.
     
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    Im nervous about the burn in subject..but i like that B7 so much i honestly dont know what to do
     
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    Thank you man i should get it.i think that if i dont leave the taskbar on and browse with f11 ill be fine... i picture myself re watching blade runner 2049 on this thing.when i asked how much was too much time i was trying to say cant you leave an image 30 minutes on with no ir? How often should i change the desktop wall papper on
     
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    I think you should get it too. Blade Runner 2049 would look AMAZING on this set!

    Again, I'm not sure on the time thing because I haven't left anything up that long. With the OLED light level turned down, 30 minutes or 2 hours might be just fine but I don't know that there's any hard data on this subject. In addition to the pixel shift/orbiting that runs all the time (and no, you don't notice it), I read that the panel does some sort of "screen refresh" cycle after it's powered off in order to eliminate any image retention. But I've never seen any image retention on mine, so I can't say that I'm benefiting from it or that it's needed in my case. Nice to know it's there, though.

    Since it's so big, I no longer use my web browser maximized. I resize the window to make it smaller (probably about the size of a 32" monitor), and just move it to a new location a few pixels up/down/left/right every now and then so that everything is shifted from its previous static position. Again, I don't know for sure that I need to do that, but it makes me feel better. :) I thought about doing the full screen F11 thing, but you're still going to have the scroll bar on the right hand side. Plus it's just kinda hard for me to use that way. With a browser running full screen on a 55" panel, your eyes (and possibly neck) are going to get quite the workout scanning everything so I resize most apps. It's awesome for games and movies, though!

    As for desktop wallpaper, I just set mine to "slideshow" using backgrounds of my choosing and I let them cycle every few minutes. I typically use dark desktop backgrounds as I find them easier on the eyes with large displays.
     
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    Just take a look at the rtings burn-in test if you are concerned about it. It takes literally weeks of 20-hour-per day run time with a static logo to cause it, and red burns in first.

    The easy solution is rotate your wallpaper, autohide the taskbar(especially if you have red icons in the same place all the time, like the Firefox logo), and keep an eye out for any game UIs with bright red, non-transparent UI elements that you play for more than 8 hours per day. Most have color blind modes, transparency, or color configuration that will let you avoid this anyway even if you do play very long hours.

    Otherwise don't worry about it. Especially don't worry about it if you only use your display in the evenings for a few hours at most.
     
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