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Android Based Video Game Console Kickstarter

JoeUser said:
Who here thinks that no matter what amount of $$$ they get (4.2 million now) the hardware specs won't change?
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I'm certainly hoping that's not the case. My opinion of the Tegra 3 for a home console is that it's only borderline adequate, and one would certainly hope for something that's at least a little better than adequate.

If they need to have someone design an SoC for them to get a satisfactory level of performance, that's what should be done.
 
They're dead-set on Tegra 3. The most recent update says:

We spent yesterday with nVidia talking about our chips. The team is great and their support has been incredible. They’re working side by side with us, and they’ll help us maximize the performance of the Tegra 3 chipset we’re using.
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They're also adamantly opposed to adding more RAM.
 
I have to wonder what exactly their opposition is to exploring other options. Does "working side by side" mean "NVIDIA is providing a financial incentive"?
 
Shorehn said:
They're dead-set on Tegra 3. The most recent update says:



They're also adamantly opposed to adding more RAM.
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As it stands it costs $60-70 bucks per unit for them and that's not including world wide distribution cost and marketing. I can understand why they don't want to mess with the specs as of right now.
 
wonderfield said:
I have to wonder what exactly their opposition is to exploring other options. Does "working side by side" mean "NVIDIA is providing a financial incentive"?
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Development and price is most likely the big things involved in these decisions.

Remember there isn't a lot of support at this leve.
 
Godmachine said:
As it stands it costs $60-70 bucks per unit for them and that's not including world wide distribution cost and marketing. I can understand why they don't want to mess with the specs as of right now.
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Then they should have made that clear from the start when they were asking people about improvement ideas. They also shouldn't be trying to get people's hopes up by listing stuff like Skyrim and Final Fantasy in their survey for what games people want to see most on the Ouya. Now that they've renewed the developer-tier rewards, I'd also like to know just how they intend to promote hundreds of developers' work simultaneously.

Honestly, their communication so far has been absolutely abysmal. Their latest update is rife with meaningless nothings, and there are still a TON of questions that haven't been answered, like what their stretch goals are. I revoked my pledge because I think these people are in over their heads.
 
From the hype i've been reading around it, and the use of common terminologies like Tegra3, Android, App Market. My initial impression was that you could download your current favorite games into it play them on the big screen.

I spent hours trying to figure out how you're going to map things like accelerometers and touchscreen icon controls on a controller. Reading a bit more into it. It seems that you should consider it as a new platform that has absolutely nothing to do with the Android (and market) on your phones/tablets. The only games that will be compatible with it when it launches are the ones from the people that got the dev kit early.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snvrJcK4b34

Different products, but same concept. A controller based game (with standard control scheme) on an android platform. At best this is what i can expect to come out of this project. Some sort of launcher shell for your android tablet that connects to this things playstore.
 
Sly said:
From the hype i've been reading around it, and the use of common terminologies like Tegra3, Android, App Market. My initial impression was that you could download your current favorite games into it play them on the big screen.

I spent hours trying to figure out how you're going to map things like accelerometers and touchscreen icon controls on a controller. Reading a bit more into it. It seems that yo should consider it as a new platform that has absolutely nothing to do with the Android (and market) on your phones/tablets. The only games that will be compatible with it when it launches are the ones from the people that got the dev kit early.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snvrJcK4b34

Different products, but same concept. A controller based game (with standard control scheme) on an android platform. At best this is what i can expect to come out of this project. Some sort of launcher shell for your android tablet that connects to this things playstore.
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I am unsure what your last bit is talking about, but the rest is not hard whatsoever. Controls can be adapted pretty easily for 98 percent of games on Android currently to use a controller with a minimal amount of work. The games will be mostly able to use standard android api calls still, and engines like Unity have already announced support is coming to be a launch partner for the Ouya which means on its own you will see a lot of development for it with how easy cross platform development is relatively using it.

Obviously difficulty will need to be tweaked on some games to make it appropriate for the controls, be it ai or numbers etc. but it will not be any real issue for us to do compared to being a whole new platform. Finally, even if this thing moves only a smaller number of units, due to the ease of development you will see plenty of adaptations and ports of games due to its mainly android software base.
 
Wow...just read the new update. What the fuck was that shit? They literally talked about nothing except the obvious (Nvidia's helping them, well no shit...and a single new developer is on board, you don't say?!) while remaining completely silent about anything that's actually changing. Oooooh...you're looking into adding an ethernet port...whoopty fuckin doo! You have over 5x your goal and you're "looking into it"...no...wrong...you need to add it, pure and simply. You literally have NO REASON NOT TO! No reason.

Wow...I knew this company was just going to take the money and run (figuratively speaking). Good job OUYA! You've already proven yourself to be yet ANOTHER company that doesn't give a shit about what THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR YOUR PRODUCT actually want. Everyone I've talked too wants MORE RAM and MORE LOCAL STORAGE yet even with 5 million in the bank these things obviously aren't even being considered. Awesome. Keep up the good work!
 
Wow...I knew this company was just going to take the money and run (figuratively speaking). Good job OUYA! You've already proven yourself to be yet ANOTHER company that doesn't give a shit about what THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR YOUR PRODUCT actually want. Everyone I've talked too wants MORE RAM and MORE LOCAL STORAGE yet even with 5 million in the bank these things obviously aren't even being considered.
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It's really starting to feel that way. :(
 
JoeUser said:
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR YOUR PRODUCT
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well since there is no product yet... it is more of a donation

and those people have written themselves into a tragic tale indeed. the willingness to invest blindly will be written be written about for years once the first big kickstarter scam caves in. it could take years though for this to cave, now that people have made these nobodies millionaires for doing nothing.
 
bAMtan2 said:
well since there is no product yet... it is more of a donation

and those people have written themselves into a tragic tale indeed. the willingness to invest blindly will be written be written about for years once the first big kickstarter scam caves in. it could take years though for this to cave, now that people have made these nobodies millionaires for doing nothing.
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I know, it's just like Wall Street and business investments!
Dare I say it... Facebook IPO! :eek:
 
JoeUser said:
Wow...just read the new update. What the fuck was that shit? They literally talked about nothing except the obvious (Nvidia's helping them, well no shit...and a single new developer is on board, you don't say?!) while remaining completely silent about anything that's actually changing. Oooooh...you're looking into adding an ethernet port...whoopty fuckin doo! You have over 5x your goal and you're "looking into it"...no...wrong...you need to add it, pure and simply. You literally have NO REASON NOT TO! No reason.

Wow...I knew this company was just going to take the money and run (figuratively speaking). Good job OUYA! You've already proven yourself to be yet ANOTHER company that doesn't give a shit about what THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR YOUR PRODUCT actually want. Everyone I've talked too wants MORE RAM and MORE LOCAL STORAGE yet even with 5 million in the bank these things obviously aren't even being considered. Awesome. Keep up the good work!
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Relax. If you gave them money, you didn't buy anything. You donated. They agree for a certain donation, they will give you something in return.

Like if you donate to help Children's Hospice, and you give $20+ you get a shirt.

You don't pay for the item, you get the item as more of a "thank you".
 
Vicinity said:
Relax. If you gave them money, you didn't buy anything. You donated. They agree for a certain donation, they will give you something in return.

Like if you donate to help Children's Hospice, and you give $20+ you get a shirt.

You don't pay for the item, you get the item as more of a "thank you".
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That's not really what Kickstarter is about.
 
nOrVow said:
Watch Julie Uhrman roll out with a brand. new. Ferrari!!

OUYA!!
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This is how I kinda feel.

I mean, who here thinks that the OUYA wouldn't have happened without Kickstarter? This company was obviously already established as they have shit like offices, employees, goals, partners, etc...so the OUYA was ALREADY going to come out regardless of Kickstarter.

So if they aren't listening to their already established funders (e.g. you and me) already then what the hell was the funding for?! The OUYA is a very good concept and they would have already had the money to take off as I'm sure they had PLENTY of supporters and backers before Kickstarter.

So what exactly was the point of Kickstarter? To promote it? To pre-sell the console? Because it sure as hell wasn't needed for actual funding nor was it created to get the communities ideas because just a few days into funding and they're already ignoring 99% of the suggestions out there (that 1% being the ethernet idea, which might not even happen despite their 5 million dollar basically over-night budget increase).

Will I get an an OUYA? Of course...because even with its current specs the price alone makes it a worth while media streamer...other than that I could give a shit less about this already shady company that doesn't give a goddamn about what its customers want.

Hey, lets just hope I never have to RMA this thing as I already can see it being a pain in the ass if this is how they are already conducting themselves.

OUYA!
 
JoeUser said:
Wow...just read the new update. What the fuck was that shit? They literally talked about nothing except the obvious (Nvidia's helping them, well no shit...and a single new developer is on board, you don't say?!) while remaining completely silent about anything that's actually changing. Oooooh...you're looking into adding an ethernet port...whoopty fuckin doo! You have over 5x your goal and you're "looking into it"...no...wrong...you need to add it, pure and simply. You literally have NO REASON NOT TO! No reason.

Wow...I knew this company was just going to take the money and run (figuratively speaking). Good job OUYA! You've already proven yourself to be yet ANOTHER company that doesn't give a shit about what THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR YOUR PRODUCT actually want. Everyone I've talked too wants MORE RAM and MORE LOCAL STORAGE yet even with 5 million in the bank these things obviously aren't even being considered. Awesome. Keep up the good work!
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They knew what they were buying when they gave money. Don't expect that to change just because you're an entitled little brat. Don't like the specs, don't give them money. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
 
I think alot are forgetting that if this thing breaks $100 it will compete against too many products and won't have a market. The market they are trying to create is very brittle, there its almost no room for error, having a mostly free environment which can just as easily be done on the pc can burn them. The only saving grace is low price tag and supposedly ease of use.
 
Trimlock said:
I think alot are forgetting that if this thing breaks $100 it will compete against too many products and won't have a market. The market they are trying to create is very brittle, there its almost no room for error, having a mostly free environment which can just as easily be done on the pc can burn them. The only saving grace is low price tag and supposedly ease of use.
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Which products even come close to touching this even in the $150 range?
 
Ryan711 said:
They knew what they were buying when they gave money. Don't expect that to change just because you're an entitled little brat. Don't like the specs, don't give them money. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
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This.
 
Trimlock said:
I think alot are forgetting that if this thing breaks $100 it will compete against too many products and won't have a market. The market they are trying to create is very brittle, there its almost no room for error, having a mostly free environment which can just as easily be done on the pc can burn them. The only saving grace is low price tag and supposedly ease of use.
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I was thinking this myself. I don't see the excitement over this as far as emulation goes,when just about any PC,even lower spec ones,are fine for emulation.
 
mastaBlasta said:
If you were right then smartphones would have about as much of a user base as cellphones back in the 80s. You would see iphones about as often as you see ferraris. But the opposite is true, and apparently lots of people can afford $100/month data plans....
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Can a crack addict "afford" crack? $100 / month data plan is crazy. Many people buy things, I wouldn't nesc. say they can AFFORD it. What kind of sacrifices are they making to buy this stuff. Poor quality nutrition for their children? Credit card debt?

I want $20 / month WiMax. I want $30 / month gigabit fiber to my door. Yes I would go back to Verizon if I could get Fios where I live, I hate to admit that - but otherwise I say screw them and their outrageous cell/data plan prices.
 
Ryan711 said:
They knew what they were buying when they gave money. Don't expect that to change just because you're an entitled little brat. Don't like the specs, don't give them money. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
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Don't call ME entitled - it's the corporations like Sony, Microsoft, Verizon that feel "entitled" to fat profits. Banks, etc. "These laws are forcing us to increase fees so that we can maintain "growth"". F-U bank, be HAPPY that you get to hold my money the way banks were 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago - screw you and your need for increased profits at my (the consumer in general) expense. They're giant leaches sucking the blood out of society.

No, banks do not HAVE to keep increasing profits. We need large public non-profit banks to serve the average consumer.
 
gibber said:
Don't call ME entitled - it's the corporations like Sony, Microsoft, Verizon that feel "entitled" to fat profits. Banks, etc. "These laws are forcing us to increase fees so that we can maintain "growth"". F-U bank, be HAPPY that you get to hold my money the way banks were 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago - screw you and your need for increased profits at my (the consumer in general) expense. They're giant leaches sucking the blood out of society.

No, banks do not HAVE to keep increasing profits. We need large public non-profit banks to serve the average consumer.
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Holy shit, that was hilairous. Thanks for that.
 
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