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because they need to have something to go up against Ryzen 5000. Even if Rocket Lake isn't that competitive with Zen 3, the alternative- having no direct response to AMD for the entirety of 2021 (I'm assuming here that Alder Lake will slip to 2022)- would be worse.
they got their existing cpus to go up against it.
 
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because they need to have something to go up against Ryzen 5000. Even if Rocket Lake isn't that competitive with Zen 3, the alternative- having no direct response to AMD for the entirety of 2021 (I'm assuming here that Alder Lake will slip to 2022)- would be worse.

Yup, desperation definitely setting in at intel with this backported slower than their previous 2 generations and competition's entrylevel cpu release.
 

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But... would it be worse? I don't think so. Ruffling the feathers of OEMs, distributors and retailers to roll out something that really isn't an answer to anything is not only a waste of time, it is also something that is not without expense to do - not even counting the development costs on Intel's end for everything from the chips to the retail packaging and marketing
I believe the problem lies with Intel leadership... in that they are convinced that Intel is full of big brain geniuses that can solve any problem and always come out on top as their big brains are the biggest.
You can hear it in their new CEOs quotes... Intel will prevail and will destroy in every market we touch because we are so smartty. (paraphrasing lol)

I think Intel did the math on paper and said Yes our 10nm CPU design should be faster and better and superior. Lets get this on the napkin yes we back port and we should retain 77.77717% of the performance and be 20.4444% faster then the old core. Yes we have done the math make it so. Anyway just saying I think Intel fully believed this back port was going to work and rock... I mean their Intel and Intel engineers are gods.

That it doesn't seem to have actually worked... I have no doubt will get blamed on someone fab side. They have already canned most of the Fab leadership... they will get the blame for this internally. The superior Intel engineers are protected by their head big brain their former CTO now CEO... their next trick will be Alder lake. Intels self destruction is only going to get more entertaining. We demanded a Engeinering CEO... and what we got was the fake engineer that paraded as a CTO for years and scheduled out the slow downfall of Intel. I'm sure he isn't going to double down on all those insane targets he instituted while CTO... I'm sure his answer to every fail won't be we will overcome because we are SMRT. lol
 
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I believe the problem lies with Intel leadership... in that they are convinced that Intel is full of big brain geniuses that can solve any problem and always come out on top as their big brains are the biggest.
You can hear it in their new CEOs quotes... Intel will prevail and will destroy in every market we touch because we are so smartty. (paraphrasing lol)

I think Intel did the math on paper and said Yes our 10nm CPU design should be faster and better and superior. Lets get this on the napkin yes we back port and we should retain 77.77717% of the performance and be 20.4444% faster then the old core. Yes we have done the math make it so. Anyway just saying I think Intel fully believed this back port was going to work and rock... I mean their Intel and Intel engineers are gods.

That it doesn't seem to have actually worked... I have no doubt will get blamed on someone fab side. They have already canned most of the Fab leadership... they will get the blame for this internally. The superior Intel engineers next trick will be Alder lake... yes this Intel self destruction is only going to get more entertaining.

Their hubris will be their downfall, David is handily winning.

Not gonna lie, enjoying watching them become sitting ducks for not innovating for multiple generations and now being stuck at 14nm like clowns.

Just think of it this way, a major tech website just risked their relationship with intel by releasing a month early (though legally, but still fauxpas) because they are no longer the sheriff in town. They have lost that respect.
 
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Why is Intel even releasing this generation of CPUs? They're not going to bring anything appreciable to the table performance-wise, but they are, by their very mediocrity, going to further diminish Intel's standing with enthusiasts and press.
But... would it be worse? I don't think so. Ruffling the feathers of OEMs, distributors and retailers to roll out something that really isn't an answer to anything is not only a waste of time, it is also something that is not without expense to do - not even counting the development costs on Intel's end for everything from the chips to the retail packaging and marketing

Because they need to compete with their own previous generation. Some people, and plenty of businesses, will only buy Intel, and all they care about is getting the latest generation.

This is the bread and butter for OEMs, too. Not only are they not upset, they’re happy and want a newer gen.

They’ll even tout an increase in power use as an increase in power. And people will buy it.
 

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Because they need to compete with their own previous generation. Some people, and plenty of businesses, will only buy Intel, and all they care about is getting the latest generation.

This is the bread and butter for OEMs, too. Not only are they not upset, they’re happy and want a newer gen.

They’ll even tout an increase in power use as an increase in power. And people will buy it.

They like it even better when it drops into the same socket/form factor and only needs a bios update. Then they just take the model number and add 10 to it (looking at you Dell).
 

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Intel-Idiots are too numerous to count.

Exactly.

The real problem is that it's not going to put any downward pressure on the price (and rumored to be MORE than the 5800x). Unfortunately, a high end 8 core CPU is going to be $450+ now from everyone.
 

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Just think of it this way, a major tech website just risked their relationship with intel by releasing a month early (though legally, but still fauxpas) because they are no longer the sheriff in town. They have lost that respect.
Yeah, was not too long ago when done old tech site did this and it got called out by a ton of other reviewers as being damaging to the industry. LOL.
 

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I already bought my z590 motherboard, was going to snag an 11900k but now especially in light of the latency inceeases, I wonder if I shouldn't just get the 10900k?

I have a powerful strong cooling loop ready to go...
 

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Yeah, was not too long ago when done old tech site did this and it got called out by a ton of other reviewers as being damaging to the industry. LOL.
just some issues. first off the chip was bought retail which means Intel sold them off earlier. they should foresee the risk of early reviews because of this.

the second question is, is it unethical. that will depend on what side of the road you are. most in anandtechs position would have done the same. if ethical is being judged on umbrage then it is purely subjective.

the final point is Intel begrudging anandtechs. with Intel's damaged reputation since coffee lake and that incident where they paid a nobody to run a smear bench test against AMD running a stock cooling which was followed by chillergate.

Intel can't afford to make bones with a prominent big tech reviewer.
 

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The 5000 series would be safe to buy, but there may still be USB issues for now until they are potentially fixed -- at least AMD is aware of it. Eesh this review is bad though, makes me glad I got a 10900k not too long ago. If you don't get AMD, Comet Lake is still good, especially with price drops.
If you've got a working Zen 2 proc on an x570 board and haven't been experiencing issues, you would probalby be fine upgrading to Zen 3, I would think, but I'm not convinced that (as in my case) going from a 3600X to a 5600X or 5800X is worth it.
 

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Because they need to compete with their own previous generation. Some people, and plenty of businesses, will only buy Intel, and all they care about is getting the latest generation.

This is the bread and butter for OEMs, too. Not only are they not upset, they’re happy and want a newer gen.
And let's not kid ourselves, AMD did something like this with the B550A, which was really just the B450 renamed to give OEMs something new to tout.
 

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True, the B550 is basically a 400 series chipset with PCIe 4.0 support on the 16x slot and the first m.2 slot.
 

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B550A, which was really just the B450 renamed
B550A is actually the B350/B450 with the PCIe 4.0 inhibitor removed.
True, the B550 is basically a 400 series chipset with PCIe 4.0 support on the 16x slot and the first m.2 slot.
That was B550A already. B550 also went PCIe 2.0 -> 3.0 on the chipset PCIe lanes. Other B350/B450 shortcomings like the IOMMU groups weren't fixed.
 

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I was hoping for some Xe graphics tests. Maybe later....

For the power consumption, AVX512 is of no use to me, but they obviously can't wring out much more. Trading blows with the 9900Ks in gaming isn't very encouraging.
 

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They didn't mass market b550a. It was an oem part.
I'd argue that OEMs are the mass market, and DIY is the niche one.

Back on topic, the 11700K is now delisted from Mindfactory. Google cache says they sold a grand total of "more than 260" since they first became available on 26 February, or about 30 units per day. For comparison, the similarly priced 5800X sells 50-100 units per day.
https://webcache.googleusercontent....ore-i7-11700K-5-0Ghz-So-1200-BOX_1399213.html
 

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The leadership yes, we can point in that direction, but maybe the talent just isnt there anymore? retired, jumped ship. its a few things dragging these guys.. its the same shit every year, aka madden 200?
 

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Because they need to compete with their own previous generation. Some people, and plenty of businesses, will only buy Intel, and all they care about is getting the latest generation.

This is the bread and butter for OEMs, too. Not only are they not upset, they’re happy and want a newer gen.

They’ll even tout an increase in power use as an increase in power. And people will buy it.
Centauri They also already spent a lot of money setting up their factories to produce these chips, ran some samples, and tweaked the line some more. If they then don't even produce anything with those factories, it'd be a huge financial loss. They have to make back the money, even if it's with medeocre chips.
 

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Thinking about this review some more, I'd be really interested to see test results at release. This statement by Anandtech leaves some doubt in my mind... "While we can't disclose the motherboard used due to NDA reasons, it has already been announced by the manufacturer. Meanwhile, the BIOS used is likely not the final variant that will be used for Rocket Lake's retail launch later this month, and further BIOSes may contain potential minor adjustments to performance or turbo responses." Not expecting miracles, but the performance/power might shift. And then there's the question of pricing. If the chip comes in at rumored price, then it's doomed. The current price on 10700K has put the chips where they need to fall with regard to price/perf... if not in favor of intel for those of us with access to a local MC store.
 

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Well new architecture yay! Hampered by back porting it off 10nm Boo! 10nm at capacity on HEDT and Server parts YAY!! Availability after my budget deadlines Boo!
At least their 10nm mobile offerings look good, I don’t bring in many desktop parts any more but I do need another 75 laptops according to the morning task list so let’s see what’s available.
 

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What a cluster bomb the 11 series is going to be. They can't charge more than the 10900k, yet it appears the 11900k will likely be beaten by the 10900k. Intel really stepped in it with their 10nm process. I never thought I'd see Intel continuously stumble like this for years. Don't get me wrong, it's not a grabage product but this isn't the technical leadership people expect from Intel.
 

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What a cluster bomb the 11 series is going to be. They can't charge more than the 10900k, yet it appears the 11900k will likely be beaten by the 10900k. Intel really stepped in it with their 10nm process. I never thought I'd see Intel continuously stumble like this for years. Don't get me wrong, it's not a grabage product but this isn't the technical leadership people expect from Intel.
The slowdown on getting more of their fabs from 14 to 10nm in the last year probably contributed to this as much as anything else. Intel has some pretty firm obligations for availability especially on their server and datacenter parts so giving them priority access to 10nm was a given. Which means the lower volume parts have to sit this round out, and really desktops don’t sell nearly as well as laptops, and their 10nm there is doing pretty well.
 

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I find the hating of 5800x to be comical, it's only overpriced by $50 relative to core count, are you really going to complain about a $50 upcharge from the mfg themselves in today's market?
 

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I believe the problem lies with Intel leadership... in that they are convinced that Intel is full of big brain geniuses that can solve any problem and always come out on top as their big brains are the biggest.
You can hear it in their new CEOs quotes... Intel will prevail and will destroy in every market we touch because we are so smartty. (paraphrasing lol)

I think Intel did the math on paper and said Yes our 10nm CPU design should be faster and better and superior. Lets get this on the napkin yes we back port and we should retain 77.77717% of the performance and be 20.4444% faster then the old core. Yes we have done the math make it so. Anyway just saying I think Intel fully believed this back port was going to work and rock... I mean their Intel and Intel engineers are gods.

That it doesn't seem to have actually worked... I have no doubt will get blamed on someone fab side. They have already canned most of the Fab leadership... they will get the blame for this internally. The superior Intel engineers are protected by their head big brain their former CTO now CEO... their next trick will be Alder lake. Intels self destruction is only going to get more entertaining. We demanded a Engeinering CEO... and what we got was the fake engineer that paraded as a CTO for years and scheduled out the slow downfall of Intel. I'm sure he isn't going to double down on all those insane targets he instituted while CTO... I'm sure his answer to every fail won't be we will overcome because we are SMRT. lol
I've learned to NEVER bet against Pat Gelsinger in this industry- most who have end up losing in the end... but he can't turn it around immediately. Much like VMware, it will take him a couple of years to get the ship started in the right direction. Intel has very deep pockets, a lot of VERY good engineers, and lots of runway - they'll figure it out eventually. AMD should be proud of what they've done, but Gelsinger is one hell of an engineer and a leader.
 

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I've learned to NEVER bet against Pat Gelsinger in this industry- most who have end up losing in the end... but he can't turn it around immediately. Much like VMware, it will take him a couple of years to get the ship started in the right direction. Intel has very deep pockets, a lot of VERY good engineers, and lots of runway - they'll figure it out eventually. AMD should be proud of what they've done, but Gelsinger is one hell of an engineer and a leader.
AMD isn't Intels problem. AMD is SAVING Intel by staving off the ARM revolution.
I doubt they can actually do that for much longer. Apple is just the beginning. By the time Apple gets to third gen silicon, Intel is going to have to refocus and try not to completely loose their server business as well. Amazons next gen ARM server chips will probably decimate what is left of x86 cloud computing. Intel is in a lot of trouble and its not just AMD eating a little bit of the consumer market.

Apple and Amazon are Intels biggest threats. I'm not convinced Intel even understands what is happening right now. Yes they have VERY good engineers, that doesn't matter if they're being asked to build the wrong things.
 
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If Intel uses much smaller Caches than AMD, can't Intel just raise the amount of Cache on their CPUs?
 

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If Intel uses much smaller Caches than AMD, can't Intel just raise the amount of Cache on their CPUs?
Cache takes up a lot of die space and transistors, and Rocket Lake is already larger than Intel would like. There's a lot of smart people there at Intel making such tradeoffs as it is. AMD is 2 nodes ahead on TSMC's 7nm vs Intel's 14 so they can afford the extra cache (plus their design probably benefits from it more).
 

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I find the hating of 5800x to be comical, it's only overpriced by $50 relative to core count, are you really going to complain about a $50 upcharge from the mfg themselves in today's market?
Considering AMD CPUs are becoming more available (especially the 5600X and 5800X which are almost always in stock now) and are no where near as in high demand as GPUs, consumers can be a bit more picky with them.
 

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Why is Intel even releasing this generation of CPUs? They're not going to bring anything appreciable to the table performance-wise, but they are, by their very mediocrity, going to further diminish Intel's standing with enthusiasts and press.
Intel desperately needs to pacify the stockholders somehow.
 

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AMD isn't Intels problem. AMD is SAVING Intel by staving off the ARM revolution.
I doubt they can actually do that for much longer. Apple is just the beginning. By the time Apple gets to third gen silicon, Intel is going to have to refocus and try not to completely loose their server business as well. Amazons next gen ARM server chips will probably decimate what is left of x86 cloud computing. Intel is in a lot of trouble and its not just AMD eating a little bit of the consumer market.

Apple and Amazon are Intels biggest threats. I'm not convinced Intel even understands what is happening right now. Yes they have VERY good engineers, that doesn't matter if they're being asked to build the wrong things.
Don't disagree entirely to the first, although there are still some points of debate with ARM vs X86. That being said, CPUs are only one part of their business - and on the cloud side, migrations to the cloud still often require like for like - net-new workloads are often on ARM, but many things "moving" don't have time to refactor (this is part of what I do). We'll see Intel there for another 3-5 years at least (or x86, more specifically). Interesting times.
 
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Well it's a big reason NOT to be a shareholder then.

That's what this is about though releasing "something" and putting a good spin on it. People will buy it. In some minds, AMD cannot put out anything worthwhile, so they will buy Intel and make excuses like platform stability or whatnot and then cite a problem they had 10 years ago. Then you have system administrators that would rather just deal with the devil they know.
 

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That's what this is about though releasing "something" and putting a good spin on it. People will buy it. In some minds, AMD cannot put out anything worthwhile, so they will buy Intel and make excuses like platform stability or whatnot and then cite a problem they had 10 years ago. Then you have system administrators that would rather just deal with the devil they know.
That's fine I get it. If Intel shareholders are dumb enough to eat it and feel happy, they deserve to loose their money.
 
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