AMD Presents New Horizon

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  1. rgMekanic

    rgMekanic [H]ard|News Staff Member

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    I used to livestream all the time, it's hard as hell on the machine depending on the codec and resolution you're streaming at, especially in demanding games (not that DOTA is demanding). For most BIG streamers, they do use 2 machines, 1 running the game, and running into a capture card of a 2nd thats doing the encoding and streaming.

    EDIT: just as an edit, my W3690 (essentially a 990X) can only reliably stream at 720, and thats heavily game dependent.
     
  2. LeftSide

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    A friend of mine has a 6 core i7 and it doesn't keep up with games + streaming. Most streamers have 2 PCs. 1 for gaming and 1 for streaming.
     
  3. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    Oh I wish.
     
  4. bpizzle1

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    Assuming the numbers look similar to today's demos when real reviews come out (and they OC decently), I may end up dumping my 5820k setup for Ryzen. Color me impressed so far.

    Maybe this release will force Intel to start making hex/octacore chips in their mainstream lineup?
     
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  5. hondaman

    hondaman The OG Hondaman

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    Have to admit. I kinda got a tingle up my leg.
     
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  6. GameLifter

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    I'm liking what I'm seeing so far! I'm not quite ready to build a new PC but if Zen delivers on all fronts it may accelerate my plans on building a new one.
     
  7. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    Dunno, my 5820K is running along fine at 4.4GHz still today. I guess if you needed the extra cores, sure, but not sure it would push me to change on a daily desktop unless I was encoding all day long.
     
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    Ok- I'm settled in and it looks like about 8 minutes to start.

    Not exactly excited... but I've got nothing better to do at the moment.
     
  9. ochadd

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    I'm impressed and was very pessimistic before today. If AMDs top CPU ends up fitting somewhere in the Intel Broadwell-E range in price and performance, I'm sold. Intel releasing that 6950X @ $1,700 was just a big fuck you to consumers. Showed everyone what will happen if AMD goes under. Here's to the underdog.
     
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    I'm very excited for January! I might consider upgrading my i5 to a 6-core in the next year or two, if there are enough games using more than four cores, and the price is right :D
     
  11. THUMPer

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    Whats TDP on 6900k 140? Ryzen was 95? "Cool"
     
  12. SighTurtle

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    Demoing games at 1080p or 1440p would just have people wondering if 4K is out of reach for AMD or such, besides, New Horizon was a attempt to appeal to gamers, that means aside from the beginning demos, showing off the latest and greatest PC gaming can offer, i.e 4k, battlefront, BF1, (i cant remember the other game), streaming, and Nvidia cards to pointedly say, want to upgrade your CPU but not GPU? Thats possible, hint, hint.
     
  13. Presbytier

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    So it definitely looks like a promising chip architecture. First gen might not be worth getting but I can see the ZEN+ as being the chip to get in a year or two unless Intel really does something amazing at 10nm.
     
  14. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    Well, I have to remain pessimistic while wanting to be optimistic in my heart. AMD marketing has not exactly been on the forefront of pushing a "real" narrative for a while now.
     
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  15. iQuasarLV

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    I thought Intel + AMD abandoned the clock speed race years ago, and shifted to a core count model. Is there a bare bottom count I should be aware of today?
     
  16. Napoleon

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    I'm pleasantly surprised. Does it have to be the best? Hell no! It is betting on multi-threading, performance/TDP, and performance/$

    This could help close the gap and help them gain back some market share; now that they made something useful (again), the successor to ryzen could make things interesting.

    I like the throttled based on thermal dissipation thing, as I have a dual-loop watercooling system that uses a 55 gallon drum full of water to cool my radiators :)
     
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    I honestly don't think they should undercut too much. That in turn will start a price war they can't afford probably. I am sure they both know it lol. I think AMD will be like at 500-600 and intel will probably knock theirs down to 750 or so given AMD truly caught up alot in IPC and over delivered here from the look of it. Some people will pay higher just cuz its intel, I am sure AMD is happy with that.

    I think there is a reason you heard nothing about pricing. They won't charge as much as intel, but I am sure if they are over delivering here, they wont exactly hand it over to you lol. I am expecting 500-600 dollar range minimum for the top end part if it is indeed performing like they showed. Handbrake was particularly surprising to me. That shit really chokes my PC when I ran the bench..
     
  18. Ieldra

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    It matters because it leaves Intel a very valuable ace card, with Kaby lake doing 5GHz comfortably and most Haswell chips at 4.5 quit comfortably it's not going to win over anyone with recent HEDT Intel CPUs unless it clocks to 4.5 and you own broadwell lol

    $600 is a huge undercut man, 6900k is like 1000$
     
  19. Unstableone

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    Disappointed with the stream, they didn't really show much.
    Lots of talk and some potentially cherry picked "comparisons" / gpu limited @ 4k gaming.

    Also near the end, reminded me of the "amd vs intel" streaming tests that tek syndicate did a while back.
    Just because it "can" play + cpu stream at the same time doesn't mean you would want to. Especially with gpu accelerated streaming like shadowplay/relive now.

    Still need to see 1080/1440 gaming benchmark comparisons with min/max/avg fps from a non biased reviewer.
     
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  20. iQuasarLV

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    You know AMD is just chomping at the bit to offer $300+ CPU and $400+ GPU competition. If they deliver on Vega and Ryzen then I would put money in a sportsbook on them throwing product in those categories.
     
  21. Shintai

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    You can download the Blender file here. Also link for the app.
    http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/new-horizon

    I can tell to begin with, my 6700K uses ~65W rendering it. Its a very light IPC load....

    Render time on a stock 6700K (no MCE) is 77 seconds.
     
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  22. Ieldra

    Ieldra I Promise to RTFM

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    Not be a dick but, how'd you get to the ~65W ?

    Downloading it, why don't they use a standard blender scene ?
     
  23. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    So did anyone time the Blender Demo while it was running on screen?

    Edit: Never mind. 36 seconds.
     
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  24. Shintai

    Shintai [H]ardness Supreme

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    You can read the package usage in hwmonitorx64 for example.
     
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    I tuned in late so I am now watching the first part. Noticed AMD might want to hire a new proofreader. "Platfrom." :D
     
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  26. Ieldra

    Ieldra I Promise to RTFM

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    I just ran the benchmark again with real time process priority and I managed 52.13s. hwmonitor says my CPU maxed out at 0.91W Shintai , so I guess I'm going to upgrade in a decade or so
     
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  27. billabong132

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    Presentation was cringeworthy/awkward but the performance looks promising.
     
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  28. Spirit_Retro

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    Man I'm getting old... These product announcements have really become infomercials.
     
  29. Ieldra

    Ieldra I Promise to RTFM

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    Never mind, looks like total BS tweet. Ignore
     
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  30. aztekk

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    Definitely impressing stuff shown today. The shift of the discussion from "will it match Sandy bridge i5" to "will it beat i7-6900k" is for sure good for AMD's marketing. I am feeling more optimistic for sure, but as with any new release I'm gonna wait till retail availability before making any conclusions.
     
  31. NKD

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    I wonder where everyone else was. Looks Lisa put her face on this presentation. I am sure prior marketing failures led her to be like just let me do this shit. It did look like she was pretty damn confident in IPC numbers when she was mentioning it so I am sure they over delivered here. They can use some of that after under delivering with polaris, let me rephrase that. After fucking up polaris so bad. lol
     
  32. Shintai

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    Yep it doesn't add up. Plus the load is very light. The time is 36 seconds (From Kyle)

    I got 77 seconds on a 4Ghz Skylake. Over twice the time.
     
  33. Zarathustra[H]

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    Absolutely retarded name. Promising performance, but we won't know for sure until reviewers test them in the wild. AMD's marketing can't be trusted to present impartial data, and we don't know what special controls, or custom builds may have been used. They have a long history of pulling this shit at press releases, so time will tell.

    I'm still concerned about the clocks. Yes, they are comparing it to Broadwell-E with similar core count and clocks, but we all know that's really not what matters. More cores don't make up for per core performence in 99.99 percent of workloads.

    To me it depends on what kind of clocks it was actually running at during the broadwell comparison, and what the max we will hit in real overclocking is. Overclocks to the high 4's ghz is going to be absolutely crucial.
     
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  34. SeymourGore

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    Yeah, not a huge fan either. Too 'extreme gamer'-sounding for my liking. Like it should be the name of a new Steelseries headphone product or something.
     
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    I got 36 seconds from the time he clicked his mouse to the time it was done on the live feed. You are looking at something different than I did.
     
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  36. Ieldra

    Ieldra I Promise to RTFM

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    It needs to be tested, that's for sure. Curious about this neural network branch prediction or whatever, sounds like marketing BS but I'm willing to be surprised
     
  37. Presbytier

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    So I am not convinced high 4ghz clocks matter that much if single thread performance is solid. Multi threaded apps dont scale linearly with core clocks
     
  38. billabong132

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    Machine learning just means more advanced--self training--statistical methods for brand prediction. It's the buzzword way of saying better cache hit/miss ratio.
     
  39. Ieldra

    Ieldra I Promise to RTFM

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    Machine learning is machine learning, more accurate branch prediction and caching algorithms have nothing to do with it >_> technical marketing gobbledygook is a scourge
     
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    My core i5-2500 took 3 minutes 31 seconds to render it.
     
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