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AMD files antitrust case against Intel

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I say its about friggen time they did this. I don't think Intel can escape this case as easy as the previous one.


http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_12670_12684,00.html?redir=CORBF02

http://driverheaven.net/#news78072

SUNNYVALE, CA - June 28, 2005 - AMD (NYSE: AMD) announced today that it filed an antitrust complaint against Intel Corporation ("Intel") yesterday in U.S. federal district court for the district of Delaware under Section 2 of the Sherman Antitrust Act, Sections 4 and 16 of the Clayton Act, and the California Business and Professions Code. The 48-page complaint explains in detail how Intel has unlawfully maintained its monopoly in the x86 microprocessor market by engaging in worldwide coercion of customers from dealing with AMD. It identifies 38 companies that have been victims of coercion by Intel - including large scale computer-makers, small system-builders, wholesale distributors, and retailers, through seven types of illegality across three continents.

"Everywhere in the world, customers deserve freedom of choice and the benefits of innovation - and these are being stolen away in the microprocessor market," said Hector Ruiz, AMD chairman of the board, president and chief executive officer. "Whether through higher prices from monopoly profits, fewer choices in the marketplace or barriers to innovation - people from Osaka to Frankfurt to Chicago pay the price in cash every day for Intel's monopoly abuses."

x86 microprocessors run the Microsoft Windows(r), Solaris and Linux families of operating systems. Even Apple(r), a pioneer of the PC and one of the industry's enduring innovators, announced that it would switch exclusively to x86 processors to run Mac OS(r) software beginning in 2006. Intel's share of this critical market currently counts for about 80 percent of worldwide sales by unit volume and 90 percent by revenue, giving it entrenched monopoly ownership and super-dominant market power.

This litigation follows a recent ruling from the Fair Trade Commission of Japan (JFTC), which found that Intel abused its monopoly power to exclude fair and open competition, violating Section 3 of Japan's Antimonopoly Act. These findings reveal that Intel deliberately engaged in illegal business practices to stop AMD's increasing market share by imposing limitations on Japanese PC manufacturers. Intel did not contest these charges.

The European Commission has stated that it is pursuing an investigation against Intel for similar possible antitrust violations and is cooperating with the Japanese authorities.

"You don't have to take our word for it when it comes to Intel's abuses; the Japanese government condemned Intel for its exclusionary and illegal misconduct," said Thomas M. McCoy, AMD executive vice president, legal affairs and chief administrative officer. "We encourage regulators around the world to take a close look at the market failure and consumer harm Intel's business practices are causing in their nations. Intel maintains illegal monopoly profits at the expense of consumers and computer manufacturers, whose margins are razor thin. Now is the time for consumers and the industry worldwide to break free from the abusive Intel monopoly."

The 48-page complaint, drafted after an intensive investigation by AMD's lead outside counsel, Charles P. Diamond of O'Melveny & Myers LLP, details numerous examples of what Diamond describes as "a pervasive, global scheme to coerce Intel customers from freely dealing with AMD to the detriment of customers and consumers worldwide." According to the complaint, Intel has unlawfully maintained its monopoly by, among other things:

*Forcing major customers such as Dell, Sony, Toshiba, Gateway, and Hitachi into Intel-exclusive deals in return for outright cash payments, discriminatory pricing or marketing subsidies conditioned on the exclusion of AMD;

*According to industry reports, and as confirmed by the JFTC in Japan, Intel has paid Dell and Toshiba huge sums not to do business with AMD.

*Intel paid Sony millions for exclusivity. AMD's share of Sony's business went from 23 percent in '02 to 8% in '03, to 0%, where it remains today.

*Forcing other major customers such as NEC, Acer, and Fujitsu into partial exclusivity agreements by conditioning rebates, allowances and market development funds (MDF) on customers' agreement to severely limit or forego entirely purchases from AMD;

*Intel paid NEC several million dollars for caps on NEC's purchases from AMD. Those caps assured Intel at least 90% of NEC's business in Japan and imposed a worldwide cap on the amount of AMD business NEC could do.

*Establishing a system of discriminatory and retroactive incentives triggered by purchases at such high levels as to have the intended effect of denying customers the freedom to purchase any significant volume of processors from AMD;

*When AMD succeeded in getting on the HP retail roadmap for mobile computers, and its products sold well, Intel responded by withholding HP's fourth quarter 2004 rebate check and refusing to waive HP's failure to achieve its targeted rebate goal; it allowed HP to make up the shortfall in succeeding quarters by promising Intel at least 90% of HP's mainstream retail business.

*Threatening retaliation against customers for introducing AMD computer platforms, particularly in strategic market segments such as commercial
desktop;

*Then-Compaq CEO Michael Capellas said in 2000 that because of the volume of business given to AMD, Intel withheld delivery of critical server chips. Saying "he had a gun to his head," he told AMD he had to stop buying.

*According to Gateway executives, their company has paid a high price for even its limited AMD dealings. They claim that Intel has "beaten them into 'guacamole'" in retaliation.

*Establishing and enforcing quotas among key retailers such as Best Buy and Circuit City, effectively requiring them to stock overwhelmingly or exclusively, Intel computers, artificially limiting consumer choice;

*AMD has been entirely shut out from Media Markt, Europe's largest computer retailer, which accounts for 35 percent of Germany's retail sales.

*Office Depot declined to stock AMD-powered notebooks regardless of the amount of financial support AMD offered, citing the risk of retaliation.

*Forcing PC makers and tech partners to boycott AMD product launches or promotions;

*Then-Intel CEO Craig Barrett threatened Acer's Chairman with "severe consequences" for supporting the AMD Athlon 64(tm) launch. This coincided with an unexplained delay by Intel in providing $15-20M in market development funds owed to Acer. Acer withdrew from the launch in September 2003.

*Abusing its market power by forcing on the industry technical standards and products that have as their main purpose the handicapping of AMD in the marketplace.

*Intel denied AMD access to the highest level of membership for the Advanced DRAM technology consortium to limit AMD's participation in critical industry standard decisions that would affect its business.

*Intel designed its compilers, which translate software programs into machine-readable language, to degrade a program's performance if operated on a computer powered by an AMD microprocessor.
 
Hehehe, it was only a matter of time :rolleyes:
I buess this means that we'll be seeing more AMD based computers around :D
 
Elios said:
wow if this is true Intel is very very fucked

It is true ( I saw nothing in the complaint that cannot be easily proved through financial records) and in a perfect world they would be fucked.

It is a carbon copy of what Microsoft did and got busted for. I imagine any attorney generals who get this case will use the Microsoft anti-trust cases as a blueprint for prosecution.
 
It seems very true. You have to wonder how a company which sells better chips at lower prices manages to remain so off the radar to big computer builders...
 
yea im reading the full complaint now and only at page 20 of 48 and WOW i knew that Intel was doing some shaddy stuff but DAMN
 
rayman2k2 said:
those who can, will
and those who can't, complain
true, but there is a line you shouldn't cross. say you're being bullied on a playground. do you fight back, and possibly get in trouble too, or go to a teacher and try to get some administrative intervention? to me, the latter sounds like a better plan, especially if you're a scrawny kid (amd's low market share) who doesn't have much of a chance to win a fight.
 
Ah, communism at its finest.

I want to know exactly what Intel did that was 'illegal'. Remember folks, just because it's illegal doesn't make it wrong. This isn't about equal rights or anything along those lines. It's about AMD getting their panties in a wad and trying to disguise forced equality as equal rights. I believe that AMD currently has the better product. However, they have always had a hard time demonstrating this to the public. It is within their power. The ball is in their court. They've simply chosen to ignore it.
 
serbiaNem said:
It seems very true. You have to wonder how a company which sells better chips at lower prices manages to remain so off the radar to big computer builders...

It's called marketing. AMD spends all of their time in R and D. They spend almost none of it in marketing. It is their own fault. I would say that this would be perfectly fine if they were concerned only with making a superior product. However, their recent filings say otherwise. They're just being babies.
 
logo29a said:
Ah, communism at its finest.

I want to know exactly what Intel did that was 'illegal'. Remember folks, just because it's illegal doesn't make it wrong. The isn't about equal rights or anything along those lines. It's about AMD getting their panties in a wad and trying to disguise forced equality as equal rights. I believe that AMD currently has the better product. However, they have always had a hard time demonstrating this to the public. It is within their power. The ball is in their court. They've simply chosen to ignore it.


read the full 48 page PDF youll see some of this stuff is VERY VERY illegal
 
logo29a said:
It's called marketing. AMD spends all of their time in R and D. They spend almost none of it in marketing. It is their own fault. I would say that this would be perfectly fine if they were concerned only with making a superior product. However, their recent filings say otherwise. They're just being babies.

thats one thing but what happens is WHEN thay do do marketing Intel rains on there praide as it were read the PDF
 
Elios said:
thats one thing but what happens is WHEN thay do do marketing Intel rains on there praide as it were read the PDF

How so? Name a specific instance.

Keep in mind that I own an AMD processor. I might not ever again after this anti-capitalistic, anti-choice move.
 
logo29a said:
Read my first two sentences.


dosnt matter if you dont like the law or not IT IS THE LAW and if you break it you risk getting cought AMD just cought them with there pants down now after the enditment in japan that Intel lost

giving encentives to you custorms is one thing but strong-arming them in to NOT dealing with your competer is just illegal and wong
 
Elios said:
dosnt matter if you dont like the law or not IT IS THE LAW and if you break it you risk getting cought AMD just cought them with there pants down now after the enditment in japan that Intel lost

The law isn't inherntly moral. If the law said that it was okay to take your neighbors car, would it be right to do so?

No, AMD just couldn't compete with Intel so they entirely gave up their responsibilty, instead blaiming circumstance.
 
logo29a said:
Ah, communism at its finest.

I want to know exactly what Intel did that was 'illegal'. Remember folks, just because it's illegal doesn't make it wrong. This isn't about equal rights or anything along those lines. It's about AMD getting their panties in a wad and trying to disguise forced equality as equal rights. I believe that AMD currently has the better product. However, they have always had a hard time demonstrating this to the public. It is within their power. The ball is in their court. They've simply chosen to ignore it.


This is exactly what Microsoft has done, and why they're always battling it out in court. AMD is trying to get a piece of the pie, the only people who buy AMD are those who do their research or get computers built by some other small company.

Every big company sells Intel CPU's, they have been bought out to only sell Intel. This is a monopoly, it is not choice. I'm sure if it was choice then Dell would go with AMD for the better and cheaper solution. They can still sell their PC's at the same price and make more profit.
 
logo29a said:
Ah, communism at its finest.

I want to know exactly what Intel did that was 'illegal'. Remember folks, just because it's illegal doesn't make it wrong. This isn't about equal rights or anything along those lines. It's about AMD getting their panties in a wad and trying to disguise forced equality as equal rights. I believe that AMD currently has the better product. However, they have always had a hard time demonstrating this to the public. It is within their power. The ball is in their court. They've simply chosen to ignore it.


The ball isnt in their court...THATS THE PROBLEM!! Intel has the ball and wont let AMD play with it. (via. their tactics and manipulations)
 
mohammedtaha said:
This is exactly what Microsoft has done, and why they're always battling it out in court. AMD is trying to get a piece of the pie, the only people who buy AMD are those who do their research or get computers built by some other small company.

Every big company sells Intel CPU's, they have been bought out to only sell Intel. This is a monopoly, it is not choice. I'm sure if it was choice then Dell would go with AMD for the better and cheaper solution. They can still sell their PC's at the same price and make more profit.

I have yet to see one thing that Microsoft has done that was immoral. The European Socialists idea of morality is a complete break from reality.

Why have those big companies been bought out to only sell Intel? Is it because the consumer demanded Intel's product over AMD? There is choice in all of this. The resellers choose to stock Intel. The consumer choose to buy Intel. No one anywhere is forcing this. Dell doesn't choose AMD because they would lose sales if they did. The sales drop would be greater than the money they'd save buying Intel processors.
 
logo29a said:
The law isn't inherntly moral. If the law said that it was okay to take your neighbors car, would it be right to do so?

No, AMD just couldn't compete with Intel so they entirely gave up their responsibilty, instead blaiming circumstance.


dosnt matter its still illegel and thay will be held accountble as thay have in Japan
the japan rulling is what got this started and that had nothing to to do with AMD starting it

if intel were doing nothing more then offering encentives to there customrs then yes that would be the case but there not just doing that

it amounts to corpert backmail look at the A64 launch stuff in it AMD had backing of Acer IBM and others till Intel threatened them
 
Elios said:
dosnt matter its still illegel and thay will be held accountble as thay have in Japan
the japan rulling is what got this started and that had nothing to to do with AMD starting it

if intel were doing nothing more then offering encentives to there customrs then yes that would be the case but there not just doing that

it amounts to corpert backmail look at the A64 launch stuff in it AMD had backing of Acer IBM and others till Intel threatened them

There is no consipracy here. There is no blackmail. It's all in your head. If it isn't, I challenge you to provide one solid source that states otherwise.

And it does matter because this particular law is immoral. You can keep ignoring it, but it doesn't change it.
 
logo29a said:
I have yet to see one thing that Microsoft has done that was immoral. The European Socialists idea of morality is a complete break from reality.

Why have those big companies been bought out to only sell Intel? Is it because the consumer demanded Intel's product over AMD? There is choice in all of this. The resellers choose to stock Intel. The consumer choose to buy Intel. No one anywhere is forcing this. Dell doesn't choose AMD because they would lose sales if they did. The sales drop would be greater than the money they'd save buying Intel processors.


the RESELLERS DO NOT CHOOSE TO STOCK
did you EVEN READ the full thing it explanes this AMD has to buy shelf space and with the way intel is strong-arming the retail outlets thay cant look at the HP laptop ex. in there it had LESS shelf space and sold much better then it should have for that shelf space
AMD is wanted but with intel choaking then markit with there illegel tatcics thay cant get product to markit

how can you LOSE sales by offering a choice all Dell or any one else would do is offer 4 or 5 more model lines on top of what intel lines thay have
 
Do you have any solid evidence otherwise ?

Most people who buy Dell don't give a damm what CPU is in it, as long as it's cheap and opens IE.

Prove this case otherwise and Intel might hire YOU as a lawyer. ;)
 
Elios said:
the RESELLERS DO NOT CHOOSE TO STOCK
did you EVEN READ the full thing it explanes this AMD has to buy shelf space and with the way intel is strong-arming the retail outlets thay cant look at the HP laptop ex. in there it had LESS shelf space and sold much better then it should have for that shelf space
AMD is wanted but with intel choaking then markit with there illegel tatcics thay cant get product to markit

Did Intel force the resellers to do this at the end of a gun barrel? I think not. They choose to because they know that they lose a lot of money if they lost Intels support.

Ask 10 people on the street. I garuntee you that every single one of them will know who Intel is. On the other hand, you'd be lucky to find 1 or 2 that knew who AMD was.
 
logo29a said:
So you have absolutely no rational argument to provide? :D

Debating with you would be like talkin to my dad.......utterly pointless.

I read the 48 page complaint and think Intel has a big problem on their hands. If some of these comp manufacturers turn states evidence as they apparently did for the anti-trust case in Japan then Intel is fucked and will pay fines and possibly compensation to AMD for potential lost profits.

Are you playing devils advocate?


The European Socialists idea of morality is a complete break from reality.


Man...I totaly agree with that :D
 
mohammedtaha said:
Do you have any solid evidence otherwise ?

Most people who buy Dell don't give a damm what CPU is in it, as long as it's cheap and opens IE.

Prove this case otherwise and Intel might hire YOU as a lawyer. ;)

You can't prove a negative. That's like trying to prove that God doesn't exist. That's pricesely why a suspect is innocent until proven guilty. It is impossible to prove that you did not commit the crime. Therefore the prosecution has to prove that you did commit the crime.
 
logo29a said:
Did Intel force the resellers to do this at the end of a gun barrel? I think not. The choose to because they know that they lose a lot of money if they lost Intels support.


in effect thay DID do it at the end of a gun one CEO in namely the CEO if HP THAT WANTED TO OFFER AMD said that if he didnt drop AMD form the line up that Intel would with hold shippments of server CPU IT NEEDED effetling holding a gun to his head READ THE FUCKING PDF YOU FUCKING FAN BOY :mad:
 
JL_Audio_User said:
Debating with you would be like talkin to my dad.......utterly pointless.

I read the 48 page complaint and think Intel has a big problem on their hands. If some of these comp manufacturers turn states evidence as they apparently did for the anti-trust case in Japan then Intel is fucked and will pay fines and possibly compensation to AMD for potential lost profits.

Are you playing devils advocate?

I never stated that they weren't screwed. No, you are playing devil's advocate. You are advocating a state in which one man's work is forcibly turned over to another man.

You are right. Debating me would be utterly pointless because your capacity to reason couldn't match that of a squirrel.
 
Elios said:
in effect thay DID do it at the end of a gun one CEO in namely the CEO if HP THAT WANTED TO OFFER AMD said that if he didnt drop AMD form the line up that Intel would with hold shippments of server CPU IT NEEDED effetling holding a gun to his head READ THE FUCKING PDF YOU FUCKING FAN BOY :mad:

That does not constitute force. The reseller had a choice. They chose to drop AMD because they'd lose more money than they'd gain.

If you could read, you'd already know that I own AMD. I do not own Intel. How about providing a rational argument instead of resorting to childish name calling?
 
Everyone who says Intel didnot do anything wrong, and AMD is crying should try actually reading the article instead of just pulling an opinion out your ass.
 
JL_Audio_User:
note how hes not replyed to any of my posts were i state FACTS of intels wrong-doings :rolleyes:
 
Elios said:
JL_Audio_User:
note how hes not replyed to any of my posts were i state FACTS of intels wrong-doings :rolleyes:

Where were your facts? You haven't provided any that I have retorted.
 
Steel Chicken said:
Everyone who says Intel didnot do anything wrong, and AMD is crying should try actually reading the article instead of just pulling an opinion out your ass.

Wouldn't the same go for anyone who formed an opinion for the other side? You wouldn't be biased would you? :rolleyes:
 
Elios said:
JL_Audio_User:
note how hes not replyed to any of my posts were i state FACTS of intels wrong-doings :rolleyes:

By the way, I have replied to every single one of your posts.
 
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