AMD agrees to cough up $35-a-chip payout over eight-core Bulldozer advertising fiasco

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"AMD has agreed to pay purchasers of its FX Bulldozer processors a total of $12.1m to settle a four-year false advertising lawsuit.

Considering the number of processors sold and assuming a 20 per cent take-up by eligible purchasers, that works out to $35 a chip, the preliminary agreement argues: a figure that is “significantly more than 50 per cent of the value of their certified claims had they prevailed at trial.”"



https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/08/27/amd_chip_compensation/
 

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I wonder when the lawsuit for the "First 7nm" Desktop Processor will start? To my knowledge, dont the new Ryzen Processors use a 14nm bridge to each of their 7nm chiplets?

I don't see that as an issue. Its just an IO controller Bridge. CPU its self is 7nm.
 

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I had a bulldozer back in the day, no receipt saved from 8 years ago and it too much work for $35.

Yep. I bet most people won't be able to claim shit. I wonder what happens to that money lol. I had one too long time ago. Seems ancient when it comes to storing receipts. Now its amazon or I get my receipts emailed to me.
 

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Hey I had two. A 4 series and an 8 series. That’s a whole $70 bucks right? Ehhhh too much work.
 

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Who cares about this?

It's 8 cores or 4 depending on how you define a processor.

Educate yourself prior to buying something, reviews said bulldozer was pretty much trash.

If intel came out with a 92 core processor that performed like hot garbage it would be silly to buy it under the premise that it has 92 cores.

Is someone going to go back and sue intel for perpetuating the MHz myth with the P4?
 
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American court system, where it is cheaper to settle than to fight things out in court. No wonder most lawyers live in the US.

Absolutely true! I had to settle a lawsuit against me even though I could prove in court it wasn't my fault. Mediator basically said you fight this you have to spend 50k you settle it you are at 12k. I had already paid 8k in lawyer fees.

Lawyer should have settled it for me from the beginning. He f'ed up too, he knew i could win but didn't really tell me upfront that I would have to fight the lawsuit in another state, since the issue was in Florida and I was in california. I really couldn't so I had to buckle and settle. Or spend thousands of dollars that I didn't have and not focus on my job and stress it would have came with. So I settled as logic was totally against me lol.
 

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Who cares about this?

It's 8 cores or 4 depending on how you define a processor.

Educate yourself prior to buying something, reviews said bulldozer was pretty much trash.

If intel came out with a 92 core processor that performed like hot garbage it would be silly to buy it under the premise that it has 92 cores.

Is someone going to go back and sue intel for perpetuating the MHz myth with the P4?

I got this FX-8150 Black and Asus Sabertooth 990FX for $60. I think that was a pretty decent deal.
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I think I bought an FX-6100 years ago. I'll have to search my newegg Invoices.
 

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I still use the FX-8150 in an office computer than I bought brand new retail with a sabertooth board.

Man I felt burned on that purchase....

Wonder if I can claim it if I still have the chip but no documentation... I actually forced NE to close my account several years ago where I purchased that chip from...
 

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I still use the FX-8150 in an office computer than I bought brand new retail with a sabertooth board.

Man I felt burned on that purchase....

Wonder if I can claim it if I still have the chip but no documentation... I actually forced NE to close my account several years ago where I purchased that chip from...

Why did you feel burned? Did you not research it prior to purchase? Did it not complete a task adequately? Was it not priced significantly cheaper than other processors?

I'm genuinely interested in hearing the reason.

I had a 6350 in one box that I got for cheap around 5-6 years ago (maybe $99?), I thought it did everything fine. I knew it wasn't the best processor but for the money I knew what I was getting.
 

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Who cares about this?

It's 8 cores or 4 depending on how you define a processor.

Educate yourself prior to buying something, reviews said bulldozer was pretty much trash.

If intel came out with a 92 core processor that performed like hot garbage it would be silly to buy it under the premise that it has 92 cores.

Is someone going to go back and sue intel for perpetuating the MHz myth with the P4?

the problem is the plaintiff wanted the judge and jury to define a core.

amd should have buried this asshole in money and paperwork for the next 100 years.
 

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Why did you feel burned? Did you not research it prior to purchase? Did it not complete a task adequately? Was it not priced significantly cheaper than other processors?

I'm genuinely interested in hearing the reason.

I had a 6350 in one box that I got for cheap around 5-6 years ago (maybe $99?), I thought it did everything fine. I knew it wasn't the best processor but for the money I knew what I was getting.
I was just getting back into PC gaming from a large absence.

I bought it at launch cause newer is better and really wasn’t paying attention. I’ve always been an AMD guy (don’t look under my desk right now).

I paid full retail for a combo.

Now with that said other than replacing a crappy low GB SSD it still runs daily as a work computer. That computer has probably made more money than any computer I’ve ever owned now in its new role.

I guess what I’m saying is I was an uninformed dumbass. I replaced it with several x79 systems at the house which coincidentally I’m still running games on to this day.

I also paired it with a 6870 right before the 7XXX series released which makes me like an ultimate idiot. My buddy in the army a few months later (I don’t remember the exact timeframe) snagged a 7950 and a 3570k which was an excellent system at the time.

When the dozer lays down I’ll replace it with another AMD most likely however. Can’t beat its reliability so far though.
 

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If I don't claim the money does that mean AMD gets to keep it?

Please don't take this as a moral highground holier than thou post, if any of you guys want the $35, go for it, I just dont feel lied to.

I bought two 8 core dozers knowing full well how they defined a core. It would feel wrong of me to be a liar and act abused for the money.

However, if they're losing the money either way, maybe I should pursue it, get the $70 (if possible for repeat buyer), and buy something from AMD with it anyway.

Hmmm.... Support the lawyer or the corporation. Speak to me universe.
 

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I was just getting back into PC gaming from a large absence.

I bought it at launch cause newer is better and really wasn’t paying attention. I’ve always been an AMD guy (don’t look under my desk right now).

I paid full retail for a combo.

Now with that said other than replacing a crappy low GB SSD it still runs daily as a work computer. That computer has probably made more money than any computer I’ve ever owned now in its new role.

I guess what I’m saying is I was an uninformed dumbass. I replaced it with several x79 systems at the house which coincidentally I’m still running games on to this day.

I also paired it with a 6870 right before the 7XXX series released which makes me like an ultimate idiot. My buddy in the army a few months later (I don’t remember the exact timeframe) snagged a 7950 and a 3570k which was an excellent system at the time.

When the dozer lays down I’ll replace it with another AMD most likely however. Can’t beat its reliability so far though.

Makes sense. The 6350 is still running with an hd7870 in my nephews room, he does sonic and streetfighter and some other games on steam. He wants to get into fortnite and apex though, so we'll see how that goes.
 

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I don't see that as an issue. Its just an IO controller Bridge. CPU its self is 7nm.
One could argue that CPU product is sold as a package; and memory controller is part of that. Thus its not fully 7nm after all.
 

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I would be tempted to go with something like that to screw around with, lucky dude. :) The board itself is usually way overpriced on Ebay, though.

I actually sold the board late last year to a member here needing a 990FX board, he gave me $165 for it.
I happened to have an Asrock board that was compatible with 8 core cpus so I am using that now.

The Asrock is not as fancy and I had to use a PCI SATA card since I was short one port.
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Who cares and who was actually still fighting this?

Those chips were so bad they should owe anyone that bought one, but I'm really not buying the whole 4 core/8 core excuse 10 years later.
 

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One could argue that CPU product is sold as a package; and memory controller is part of that. Thus its not fully 7nm after all.

that one would be desperate and dumb. AMD will Win it. IO die is not the cpu core so it’s a separate part. Cpu is still 7nm. Case closed.
 

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Makes sense. The 6350 is still running with an hd7870 in my nephews room, he does sonic and streetfighter and some other games on steam. He wants to get into fortnite and apex though, so we'll see how that goes.
It wasn’t AMDs fault like I said.

Plus it’s been rock solid all these years (8?) hard to complain. I bet I drop a modern GPU in it and it’ll do most of what I want.

Crazy times compared to back in the day.
 

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I wonder when the lawsuit for the "First 7nm" Desktop Processor will start? To my knowledge, dont the new Ryzen Processors use a 14nm bridge to each of their 7nm chiplets?

It's 12nm.

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Totally unwarranted. Bulldozer absolutely fucking IS an 8 core design. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

it is the worst 8 core design in history, but it IS an 8 core design.

There should be specially trained courts to handle tech issues, because it is clear that the general pool of courts clearly are not up to the task.
 

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Even Windows says its 8 cores. :)

I don't feel burned or anything but depending on the claim rules which appear to still be up in the air, I have 1-2 chips I could get cash for and turn around and put that towards a R5 2600.
 

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With time, in people's mind Bulldozer turns into Transmeta's Crusoe, or a Via's 500mhz whatever. In 5 more years, there will be stories of Bulldozer being beat by 386SX33mhz processors, in 5 more years after that Bulldozer will be compared to Casio calculators from the 80s.

Jeez, please.. that processor can probably satisfy tons of tasks you do in a desktop still.
 

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With time, in people's mind Bulldozer turns into Transmeta's Crusoe, or a Via's 500mhz whatever. In 5 more years, there will be stories of Bulldozer being beat by 386SX33mhz processors, in 5 more years after that Bulldozer will be compared to Casio calculators from the 80s.

Jeez, please.. that processor can probably satisfy tons of tasks you do in a desktop still.

Bulldozer was and is an awful choice for the desktop.

Can it do basic desktop tasks? Sure, but now and then there were better suited chips for this task.

In its entire life cycle, Bulldozer excelled at one thing and one thing only, server applications. I had one in my VMWare server for quite some time. I would never put one in a desktop/
 

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Who cares and who was actually still fighting this?

Those chips were so bad they should owe anyone that bought one, but I'm really not buying the whole 4 core/8 core excuse 10 years later.

Those chips were just fine, they do not own anyone anything except what was bought.

8370 and asus 970 for many years.no problems.didn't run that great but it was tolerable.

They did not run that great if you were into benchmark runs 24/7. Otherwise, they ran quite well and to be honest, I did not compare them to anything else and I do not compare my Ryzen Systems to anything else, expect what I have.
 

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From the article, emphasis added:
If the proposed settlement goes through anyone that bought one of seven different AMD chips that the company advertised as having eight cores, either through AMD’s website or while living in California, is entitled to an equal share in the $12.1m pot.

I bought mine from Microcenter while living in Colorado, so I'm out. Even if I were eligible, I knew exactly what I was getting when I purchased my bulldozer product (cheap cores and ECC RAM support for a home server) so I'd feel rather unethical in taking money from the settlement.

The whole lawsuit stinks on its face, and just another example of that adds to the stereotype of lawyers. How many computer purchasers really were upset after buying the product to find out that bulldozer wasn't 8 "true" cores? If you didn't know beforehand, you probably weren't really going to bother looking into the technical details afterwards.
 

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Okay well I’m not eligible then as I had a second gen 8320 I think and an FX4100. Wasn’t going to do it anyways as I knew what I buying, and I was buying more low cost instead of intel.

But I find it very strange that this only applies to the 8 core products. Weren’t the lower count cores also still CCX modules with a Core and an Integer Core?
 

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I wasn’t going to care too much about this eitherway. I think majority of people didn’t even care. It’s probably a quick payout lawsuit designed to make lawyers richer lol. I am sure they saw it as a quick buck.

not really sure what the big noise was about. I mean you knew what you were getting and the performance you would get for the price you pay.
 

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Those chips were so bad they should owe anyone that bought one, but I'm really not buying the whole 4 core/8 core excuse 10 years later.

The reviews were public when they first went on sale. Everyone who bought one knew what they were getting, or should have done a quick google search to find out.

Sure, Bulldozer was a terrible design for consumer workloads, but it's not as if AMD hid anything, or took payment before launch, and then delivered something that wasn't expected.

If you bought a Bulldozer (or Piledriver, or Excavator) you knew what you were getting, or you are an idiot.

Caveat Emptor.
 
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