AMD agrees to cough up $35-a-chip payout over eight-core Bulldozer advertising fiasco

VoloxitySF

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I wonder if all this will make the used prices drop a little more. I have a FX4130 in a Chenbro RM13108 1U and it's serving files, running a local-only web server for testing stuff, and doing backups juuuuuuuuuust fine. I'd upgrade it to an FX8xxx for super cheap and not think twice about it. Maybe then I can do a little bit more screwing around with the system then. Maybe spin up some sort of lightweight linux VM.
yeah maybe they sucked for games, but seems fine for other purposes...
 

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Who cares about this?

It's 8 cores or 4 depending on how you define a processor.

Educate yourself prior to buying something, reviews said bulldozer was pretty much trash.
But, isn't it "hip" to buy site unseen? Next, you're going to expect me to force a Tesla test drive somehow.
 

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Wasn't there also a scheduler issue with Windows 7 not sending threads to the cores correctly due to the funky scheme AMD used for the cores? And that hindered performance.
 

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The reviews were public when they first went on sale. Everyone who bought one knew what they were getting, or should have done a quick google search to find out.

Sure, Bulldozer was a terrible design for consumer workloads, but it's not as if AMD hid anything, or took payment before launch, and then delivered something that wasn't expected.

If you bought a Bulldozer (or Piledriver, or Excavator) you knew what you were getting, or you are an idiot.

Caveat Emptor.
While I agree, and I used the term 'dumbass' for not doing more research about myself, I'll be damned if I let the lawyers keep the money.

I'd rather throw the check into an account that takes all of it although I hate banks about as much as lawyers, then let bloodsucking lawyers involved in class actions keep it.

Now someone post the link so I can file for my moneys.
 

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While I agree, and I used the term 'dumbass' for not doing more research about myself, I'll be damned if I let the lawyers keep the money.

I'd rather throw the check into an account that takes all of it although I hate banks about as much as lawyers, then let bloodsucking lawyers involved in class actions keep it.

Now someone post the link so I can file for my moneys.
That is a good point. I hadn't thought of it that way.

I did have two of those chips (an 8120 and an 8350). Maybe I'll throw my hat in the ring as well.
 

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I don't know why people even do this...

As always, lawyers get millions, users get pennies and AMD admints no wrong doing.

AMD has given an official comment on the result:

"AMD is pleased to have reached a settlement of this lawsuit. While we believe the allegations are without merit, we also believe that eliminating the distraction and settling the litigation is in our best interest."


Rinse and repeat...
 

Krazy925

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I don't know why people even do this...

As always, lawyers get millions, users get pennies and AMD admints no wrong doing.

AMD has given an official comment on the result:

"AMD is pleased to have reached a settlement of this lawsuit. While we believe the allegations are without merit, we also believe that eliminating the distraction and settling the litigation is in our best interest."


Rinse and repeat...
So your argument is to do nothing...

That makes zero sense.

Are you as an individual user going to force them to admit wrong doing and achieve a settlement?

Good luck kohai.

Not claiming just means lawyers get more, which is bullshit.
 

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I don't know why people even do this...

As always, lawyers get millions, users get pennies and AMD admints no wrong doing.

AMD has given an official comment on the result:

"AMD is pleased to have reached a settlement of this lawsuit. While we believe the allegations are without merit, we also believe that eliminating the distraction and settling the litigation is in our best interest."


Rinse and repeat...
that's because in a lot of these cases, it's just cheaper to settle then to try to fight it even if you know the class action is bogus(like this one was against AMD). court system in california is a joke and would of easily been dragged out for 7-10 years even though a judge that knew anything about technology would of thrown this shit out on day one.
 

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So your argument is to do nothing...

That makes zero sense.

Are you as an individual user going to force them to admit wrong doing and achieve a settlement?

Good luck kohai.

Not claiming just means lawyers get more, which is bullshit.

Wasting peoples money to stand a trial that solves NOTHING?

Its always the same thing with all these cases. Nvidia laptop gpu overheating? settle, no wrong doing. GTX 970 3.5 gb ram? settle, no wrong doing. I could go on and on.

IIRC the nvidia laptop gpu settle awarded like 25 dlls, the GTX970 awarded 30 and now Bulldozer awards $35. Even if you had all three you'd make less than a $100 bucks and still NO WRONG DOING!!!.
 

Krazy925

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Wasting peoples money to stand a trial that solves NOTHING?

Its always the same thing with all these cases. Nvidia laptop gpu overheating? settle, no wrong doing. GTX 970 3.5 gb ram? settle, no wrong doing. I could go on and on.

IIRC the nvidia laptop gpu settle awarded like 25 dlls, the GTX970 awarded 30 and now Bulldozer awards $35. Even if you had all three you'd make less than a $100 bucks and still NO WRONG DOING!!!.
I like how you left the PS3 Linux settlement out of it.

What do you gain by not participating if you owned the product.

You’ve made douchebag lawyers rich... congrats on your moral stand.

It mean nothing.
 

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Some info on this non-case.
-Only for Californians.
-Only for Bulldozer 8 Core (did I do an oopsie? What should I call them?)
-Not for Piledriver.
-Not for Excavator.
-Not for 4 module/cores.
-Not for 6 module/cores.
 

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odd how only the 8 core when they basically pulled the same "marketing" to sell/upsell

effectively the same fashion .. that is "true 6 core" etc etc..

if the 8 cores shared resource the 6 I know for fact did as well, the 4s "mostly" but not gurantee either (model number specific matters)

I suppose for the E chips etc..I suppose the courts look @ "you knew by this time was not what they claim it, but you bought anyways, shame on you, not them"

ahh well....

I wa supposed to get something from the court case spanning APU and the marketing/undersell (they had to lie numbers to appear more sold than actual...not good...forget how many tens of millions the suit was for....seemed as soon as appear it disappeared...almost like the crud with the Intel 9xxx and the crazy "5Ghz all core" shenanigans :)


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sadly, those "damaged" will get next to nothing from this "win" it helps the lawyers and screws the individual as well as massive hurt on a "barely survive" company...which is very truth at this point, one wrong move, they fold....
 

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I read the article, but not the pdf linked to the agreement. The article states that the $35 is a guess. Also, only people who bought one of the processors "direct from AMD" or who live in California would be eligible if it is agreed to.

Shrug. Another win for the lawyer.
 

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I wonder if all this will make the used prices drop a little more. I have a FX4130 in a Chenbro RM13108 1U and it's serving files, running a local-only web server for testing stuff, and doing backups juuuuuuuuuust fine. I'd upgrade it to an FX8xxx for super cheap and not think twice about it. Maybe then I can do a little bit more screwing around with the system then. Maybe spin up some sort of lightweight linux VM.
yeah maybe they sucked for games, but seems fine for other purposes...
My problem when I ran a VM/Storage server off of an AMD FX CPU was never the CPU performance, but rather the RAM limitation. At the time 8GB sticks were the biggest you could buy, and with four of them I only got 32GB. That just didn't cut it.
 

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what planet do you live on ... Mars?
They did suck for games. :p

When brand new the FX815 just could not keep up with Red Orchestra II, which was essentially the only thing I was playing at the time. Constantly made the framerate drop well below 60fps.
 

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odd how only the 8 core when they basically pulled the same "marketing" to sell/upsell

effectively the same fashion .. that is "true 6 core" etc etc..

if the 8 cores shared resource the 6 I know for fact did as well, the 4s "mostly" but not gurantee either (model number specific matters)

I suppose for the E chips etc..I suppose the courts look @ "you knew by this time was not what they claim it, but you bought anyways, shame on you, not them"

ahh well....

I wa supposed to get something from the court case spanning APU and the marketing/undersell (they had to lie numbers to appear more sold than actual...not good...forget how many tens of millions the suit was for....seemed as soon as appear it disappeared...almost like the crud with the Intel 9xxx and the crazy "5Ghz all core" shenanigans :)


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sadly, those "damaged" will get next to nothing from this "win" it helps the lawyers and screws the individual as well as massive hurt on a "barely survive" company...which is very truth at this point, one wrong move, they fold....
12m is a drop in the bucket.. this will be long and gone from the news in a couple weeks.. hell most people these days don't even remember when bulldozer came out let alone even understand what modules and shared resources mean.. the people that do remember and understand the processors are a minuet fraction of the general buyers in the market and most of us know this lawsuit was complete horse shit so i wouldn't worry about it in the long term.

what i'd worry more about is the fact that this lawsuit worked in the first place so who's to stop them from going after the false advertisement of hyperthreading/SMT and how it functions..
 

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I wonder when the lawsuit for the "First 7nm" Desktop Processor will start? To my knowledge, dont the new Ryzen Processors use a 14nm bridge to each of their 7nm chiplets?
14nm or 12nm it depends of the slide.
 

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I don't see that as an issue. Its just an IO controller Bridge. CPU its self is 7nm.
The CPU is the whole package. A chiplet with cores and cache isn't a CPU, it couldn't even access memory or PCIE without the IO chiplet.
 

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The CPU is the whole package. A chiplet with cores and cache isn't a CPU, it couldn't even access memory or PCIE without the IO chiplet.
Uh oh, here we go again. Good thing AMD did not actually say they did anything wrong with the FX8150 and FX8120, it was just simpler to settle and even then, it is only for those two processors, in California and buying direct from AMD. :D Next thing you know, it will be claimed that Ryzen is not a true 8 core because it was not on one huge monolithic die. :D Intel and the shenanigans.
 

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I call bullshit, AMD never does anything wrong. Like, ever.

Fucking lawyers
Don't worry, we see through it. :D Personally, I wish I would have bought the FX8150 on day one, it would have been better than the Phenom 1090T I bought at that time, at least for me.
 

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They did suck for games. :p

When brand new the FX815 just could not keep up with Red Orchestra II, which was essentially the only thing I was playing at the time. Constantly made the framerate drop well below 60fps.
hey hey hey now.

just because it's not the fastest gaming cpu doesn't make it good for gaming. or something.

4 fps matters!
Nah, they were fine for games, in general. However, Intel was primarily optimized for and as can be clearly seen, your game you played worked much better on the Intel of the day. (Yes, the FX8150 was not as fast but it was not hot garbage either, as some may put.)
 

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Nah, they were fine for games, in general. However, Intel was primarily optimized for and as can be clearly seen, your game you played worked much better on the Intel of the day. (Yes, the FX8150 was not as fast but it was not hot garbage either, as some may put.)
But it was hardly faster than an overclocked Phenom II, and power consumption left a lot to be desired at first release. The main thing that made it garbage was that it offered almost no benefit compared to its predecessor. The refresh fixed a lot of that, but the damage had already been done.
 

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Nah, they were fine for games, in general. However, Intel was primarily optimized for and as can be clearly seen, your game you played worked much better on the Intel of the day. (Yes, the FX8150 was not as fast but it was not hot garbage either, as some may put.)
It was most certainly garbage compared to the competition. Go look at the reviews on techspot as Intel at only 2.5 could match or beat the best from AMD at the time even at well over 4 ghz. Hell even the 2 core i3 cpus crapped all over the fastest bulldozer in most games.
 

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I wouldn't collect on this lawsuit even if I could - only because I feel that it's a matter of principle
 
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