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I can see this being big with stolen phones, crooks and thieves that simply bypass the door gates. Other than that, I kinda like this idea.
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I'd be interested to see if i can break the tech. Like put stuff on shelves where it doesn't belong, put on glasses after i walk in, etc.
So what if you turn off your phone? What if you tape some tin foil on the bottom of the package and put a new rfid tag from something that's less expensive?It looks like it tracks the phone you carry through the store so how you dress or look shouldn't make a difference. And the products are RFID tagged so I would assume it wouldn't matter where they're put on the shelves the store will still know the product is on the shelf and can probably even determine how far out of place it is by which reader is picking it up. But I suppose that's what they have the beta test for. I wonder if they're asking the testers to intentionally try breaking stuff or if it's one of those "use it like you normally would" kinds of betas.
i wonder how it will handle produce and the like where you are charged by the pound for stuff, not per item. thats one thing that always keeps me away from using the self check outs at stores now as its a real pain.
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also, what about booze??
So what if you turn off your phone? What if you tape some tin foil on the bottom of the package and put a new rfid tag from something that's less expensive?
It just seems like something that's dependent on people not trying to break the system.
So what if you turn off your phone? What if you tape some tin foil on the bottom of the package and put a new rfid tag from something that's less expensive?
It just seems like something that's dependent on people not trying to break the system.
There was someone else doing this from a while back. I forget who, but it was small stores, I think run by one guy. He was placing stores with no checkouts in very remote areas where the traffic is to little to keep someone full time at the store, but this allowed the people in the area to have access to most of your basic house hold items. The door was locked and you had some type of cell phone access with an app, and when leaving I think it used RFID tags for everything in your basket and charged you once you left the store.
As for if it works or not, the things I read about this guy was that the stores were a hit, and he was opening more, all he had to do was pay for power and a stocking truck once a week, with some house keeping. Having this in the city however...I don't know, I expect it would turn into a mess in a few days, different kind of people.
This is where the machine vision comes to play. If they detect someone being fraudulent, the guard(s) will be alerted. Repeat offenders will probably be noticed as soon as they approach the front door.Same can be said for self checkouts.
I know someone who would find items in the store, record the UPC number, go home and print out new ones on stickers, go back to the store and place them on the same kind of item but much more expensive, in most cases they would not even use self checkout, they would use the normal ones. Point, being, issues like this are always the case, normal stores if it is small enough you don't even need to do that, just stuff it in a shirt/jacket and walk out.
This is where the machine vision comes to play. If they detect someone being fraudulent, the guard(s) will be alerted. Repeat offenders will probably be noticed as soon as they approach the front door.
The damn self checkout scanners don't work half the time.
The Costco near me also took out the self-check machines.Meh, my local Safeway actually just took out their self-checkout machines and put in two new express 15 items or less lanes.
Having used the self checkout 100s of times I find that is a serious problem at Home Depot. I mean they don't do well with small parts like 1/2 pipe fittings. These days I don't bother anymore if I have lots of small items I just go wait in the 1 or 2 lines that have a checker..
I just know they are going to fuck up and people will get charged for shit they never bought. I pay cash for almost everything and have no plans to change that policy any time soon. Shit like this is all part of tracking everything you do in your life and that is their incentive, not because they want to make it easier for you to shop.
No, amazon just wants to profit off of you, there is no other driving motive. They track what you buy just to try to sell you more things. I myself would be okay with that as waiting 20mins in line when I only have 4 items because self checkout is full and people fill up the 12 items or less line with full carts of groceries.
Amazon's only real motive is to be the only company you buy anything from. And yes there will be mistakes, but if you have ever dealt with amazon customer service, it is super painless to have mistakes corrected. It is the only company I don't get upset about a mistake because I know it isn't a huge hassle.
edit: also your grocery stores already have systems in place to track each item you buy and use that data for both marketting research and when food gets recalled you are notified if you purchased that lot of item.
Well, of course money is the final goal but this system is to make tracking easier. I pay cash so, no, I am not tracked when I buy something except for online purchases, you sheep that pay for everything with your debit card or smartphone are though. Ba-a--a-a-a-a-a...
Well there's no doubt this will kill jobs, but I see it as the future. Why would you have a bunch of checkout lines with cashiers, when you can do it automatically with RFID. AFAIK, companies like Dell have used RFID to monitor components and they only pay Intel, for example, when a CPU leaves the storage area.#1 consumer will be the folks claiming this took their jobS
i wonder how it will handle produce and the like where you are charged by the pound for stuff, not per item. thats one thing that always keeps me away from using the self check outs at stores now as its a real pain.