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Advice wanted on Water setup

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davidm71

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Hi,

Setting up a new water loop and putting together different parts I had on hand and trying to setup my EK pump with a vertical orientation standing up right such that the resevoir is directly connecting to it's intake port but because the power cable is connected to its rear having it stand up like that is unsteady. Any thing I can do to improve the loop design?

As far as parts in use I have a Heatkiller IV with a 9900K and two rads being a Coolgate HD360 low profile with high flow rate specs, and a Nexxos 60mm 240mm rad in the front of the case as you can see in the photo. Only thing is between the pump and res I am using two couplers to connect them. The second silver connector under the res has three available ports. One to join top to bottom and a third to connect a temperature sensor. Maybe thats not the best location for it being that would only give you the temperature of the water after the cpu block has warmed it. The Coolgate rad actually has a drain port on the far right. Maybe that would be a better location for the temp sensor and use the available port on the bottom as a drain?

Thanks.



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I'm not familiar with that pump and what kinds of brackets or mounting holes it has, but usually people use mounting brackets of some sort. There are some that are designed to hold pumps over a fan slot. Generally just plopping a pump loose in the case is probably not the best idea.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
I'm not familiar with that pump and what kinds of brackets or mounting holes it has, but usually people use mounting brackets of some sort. There are some that are designed to hold pumps over a fan slot. Generally just plopping a pump loose in the case is probably not the best idea.
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Concurred. I see the bracket is attached to the pump, but I'm not sure where OP is planning to secure it.

davidm71 , you may need to revisit that. O-rings in fittings are likely to fail when the fitting is installed with tension on it - hanging your pump would be asking for trouble.

You should see if that reservoir you're using has a bottom piece available with an integrated pump mounting option. What res is it? I can go looking for you.
 
I have to log into Performance-pcs after work and let you know then. Thanks for input. Thanks
 
Hi,

The pump I have is this one: http://www.performance-pcs.com/ek-xtop-revo-d5-pwm-acetal-incl-pump.html and here are the Parts I am using:

Part list:

PrimoFlex Advanced LRT 10ft Tubing - 7/16in. ID X 5/8in. OD - Bloodshed Red
EK-D5-XTOP-REVO-AC-PWM EK-XTOP Revo D5 PWM Acetal - (incl. pump) $119.99 $119.99 Pump Cable : No leave stock cable Sleeve Color : Black Heatshrink Color : Black
Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper 240mm
Coolgate Triple 120mm High Density 20 FPI Heat Exchanger Radiator

Bitspower Water Tank Z-Multi 250 - POM - Ice Red



I also have this pump at my disposal to use:

Koolance PMP-500 G1/4 BSP High-flow Pump

Thanks.

Also I agree using a coupler to mount the res to pump sounds risky. If there was a pump top adapter even better. Thanks.
 
davidm71 said:
Also I agree using a coupler to mount the res to pump sounds risky. If there was a pump top adapter even better. Thanks.
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I think it depends on how you do it. I wouldn't hang the pump from the reservoir. That kind of tensile force could cause problems.

A compressive force is less bad though. I have seen many builds that use a male to male adapter to attach a reservoir to a pump, but in that configuration the pump is firmly mounted to the case, and the reservoir is mounted to the pump via the male to male adapter. In a really tall reservoir like yours though, you'd still want some lateral support as while the adapter could easily handle the compressive force, the lever arm present in a tall reservoir like that would likely break something if you get too much sidewise action on it.
 
Well what about use some fittings and tube to connect them instead?

Thanks
 
davidm71 said:
Well what about use some fittings and tube to connect them instead?

Thanks
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That is perfectly fine, as long as you can securely mount both.

The only thing you want to make sure of is that the pump is below the reservoir so that the coolant is gravity fed into the pump. This will avoid the pump running dry, which could wreck it.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
That is perfectly fine, as long as you can securely mount both.

The only thing you want to make sure of is that the pump is below the reservoir so that the coolant is gravity fed into the pump. This will avoid the pump running dry, which could wreck it.
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Thats how I did it last time and it last like ten years. Same case with a shorter res with a tube going directly to the pump which was secured by a strong adhesive.

Hopefully theres a way to mate the Bitspower res and EK pump together without tubing,

thanks
 
So I got an email from Bitspower and they said there is no way to directly mount the water res to the pump short of using a fitting. My problem then is figuring out how to securely mount the pump vertically in a holster or something because any movement could introduce a leak right? Such that you guys recommend I just run tubing to the pump and tuck it away somewhere?

Thanks

Ps: How or where place the drain?
 
You can mount the pump using the included mounting bracket. It should have come with a drilling template. Locate a suitable position, drill four holes in the case, and secure the pump.

Just so you know, the pump doesn't need to be mounted with the inlet port up. You could mount the pump to the floor of the case too, and use a 90° fitting. Honestly, I'd suggest that route. You can bias the bulk of the pump toward the drive cages so that it doesn't interfere as much with your modular power cables.

Do that, mount your res a couple/few inches higher, use flexible tubing and fittings to go from res to pump, and you'll have bought yourself a lot of freedom in pump mounting location.

As for your drain, the ideal place is the lowest point in the loop. If you can tilt your case when you drain, you can decide what the "lowest" point is.

That chunky rad you have up front has plenty of spare ports. I'd consider flipping it so the ports are on bottom and using one for your drain valve.
 
Thanks for the input. Thats a good idea. Flipping it. Only thing is i would need longer length of tube to go to second rad. Thanks.
 
Edit: I don't believe I need to flip the Alphacool Nexxos UT60 Rad as according to illustrations I found (I'm at work and not able to verify) there should be a drain port on the bottom anyhow so no need to flip. So I'll just use a standard fitting and put my drain port there as I have a few inches of room. As for my temperature sensor I'll plug it into the drain port of the top Coolgate rad on the far right of the rad..

Also I really don't want to drill anything because I have the motherboard already mounted and don't want to get metal dust all over it. Will use strong double sided adhesive tape instead.

Thanks.
 
davidm71 said:
Edit: I don't believe I need to flip the Alphacool Nexxos UT60 Rad as according to illustrations I found (I'm at work and not able to verify) there should be a drain port on the bottom anyhow so no need to flip. So I'll just use a standard fitting and put my drain port there as I have a few inches of room. As for my temperature sensor I'll plug it into the drain port of the top Coolgate rad on the far right of the rad..

Also I really don't want to drill anything because I have the motherboard already mounted and don't want to get metal dust all over it. Will use strong double sided adhesive tape instead.

Thanks.
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That'll work just as well. It actually might help dampen the pump noise if you get that foam-based double sided stuff. Check back in with us when you make some more progress!
 
Having difficulty tightening and closing my bitspower compression fittings. Should i slick the tube with vaselin?

Thanks
 
davidm71 said:
Having difficulty tightening and closing my bitspower compression fittings. Should i slick the tube with vaselin?

Thanks
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I would not. A little warm water can help make the ends pliable to get them over the barbs. You do not need to tighten the compression collars until they "bottom out" on the threads, just until they're good and hand-snug.

Happy Turkey Day!
 
Ok Thanks. Almost done with my setup. Will post photo later. Found out EK makes a vertical mounting frame for the D5 pump I have. Need it like yesterday but seems like the local Microcenter has one. Hour drive each way!
 
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Seems like I had an issue with my Bitspower Water tank’s bottom cap piece not staying secure. Had to line the inside of the cap with a light amount of adhesive and screw it in back tight. Also need to patch that hole on the bottom of my case with something. Stupid attempt years ago at a drain port. Thanks.
 
Couple comments I have on my build. I am limited to GPU's no longer than 10.5 inches and those Primochil tubes are a real pain to tighten and doubt I will use them again unless maybe use the 7/16 tubes on 1/2 inch compression fittings because they certainly did not tighten as well as I would like with the 7/16 compression fittings. Otherwise I am happy with it. Already got my 9900K to 5ghz with 1.325 volts.

Thanks
 
I would have used a smidge different component order than you did but at the end of the day I doubt there really is all that much difference delivering the pump's output to the rad or waterblock(s) first. I was going to ask about the length of the pump output host but saw your comment about the video card. I might have hopped the hose over the top of the cards rather than going around them (I like short tube lengths). Looks good though!
 
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