A3 core/ SMP2 PPD & config thread

[Tobit]

Apollo, that sounds very much like PpD before bonus. What are your times per frame?

 

[OvrrDrive]

Are you guys seeing the same credit from Stanford that HFM is showing?

I had a 6012 unit going that finished this afternoon that was showing like 2500 points in HFM but it looks like I only got credit for 469 for some reason. Would it have anything to do with the system freeze I had today?

I've been looking forward to a big update all day and that's all I got. Here's hoping things pick up.

 

[Tobit]

Are you guys seeing the same credit from Stanford that HFM is showing?

I run so many different clients, it's hard to tell by looking at the stats. I usually have 4 to 8 WUs per update.

 

[Zero82z]

Are you guys seeing the same credit from Stanford that HFM is showing?

I had a 6012 unit going that finished this afternoon that was showing like 2500 points in HFM but it looks like I only got credit for 469 for some reason. Would it have anything to do with the system freeze I had today?

I've been looking forward to a big update all day and that's all I got. Here's hoping things pick up.

Remember that you have to complete 10 units with your passkey before you qualify for the bonus. Until that happens, you will only receive the base points value for each workunit you submit.

 

[Tobit]

Remember that you have to complete 10 units with your passkey before you qualify for the bonus. Until that happens, you will only receive the base points value for each workunit you submit.

Good point. 6012 is worth 470 points so this is clearly what happened OvrrDrive.

 

[gkanakis]

cmd crashes everytime I change a setting! Very odd!

 

[nitrobass24]

cmd crashes everytime I change a setting! Very odd!

Run as Admin?

 

[Tobit]

did you rename the executable per chance?

 

[gkanakis]

Yes, changed it to fah6. I got it working now, I rebooted the system to give it a fresh start.

I'll update PPD when I have more info using HFM.NET v0.4.8.

Current running this client:

AMD Phenom x4 2.5GHz - Windows 7 64 bit
3% Project: 6014 (Run 0, Clone 4, Gen 14) Credit: 2038 PPD 2882
4% Project: 6014 (Run 0, Clone 4, Gen 14) Credit: 2078 PPD 3048
5% Project: 6014 (Run 0, Clone 4, Gen 14) Credit: 2065 PPD 2989
Playing a CD using Media Player
6% Project: 6014 (Run 0, Clone 4, Gen 14) Credit: 2041 PPD 2891
Computer is rebooting every 5% - 6%. Having issues with regular -smp's too. I think this computer with Win 7 is not liking running all 4 cores. Temp are at 60c and there is no overclocking. I am running a GPU client too. I'll have to come back to it latter when I get my work done.


i7 920 O/Ced to 4GHz - Windows 7 64 bit
4% Project: 6012 (Run 0, Clone 13, Gen 171) Credit: 3250 PPD 13000
5% Project: 6012 (Run 0, Clone 13, Gen 171) Credit: 3253 PPD 13013
6% Project: 6012 (Run 0, Clone 13, Gen 171) Credit: 3254 PPD 13015
10% Project: 6012 (Run 0, Clone 13, Gen 171) Credit: 3261 PPD 13228
50% Project: 6012 (Run 0, Clone 13, Gen 171) Credit: 3418 PPD 15221
75% Project: 6012 (Run 0, Clone 13, Gen 171) Credit: 3401 PPD 14994


Q9550 2.83GHz - Vista Enterprise 32 bit
9% Project: 6013 (Run 0, Clone 114, Gen 1) Credit: 1838 PPD 4315

Also noticed that my ppd and credit values are getting larger as each % passes.

 

[Tobit]

Yes, changed it to fah6. I got it working now, I rebooted the system to give it a fresh start.

Although several guides state to rename the client .exe, it has been known to cause strange glitches like this but good to hear rebooting got it working again.

 

[nitrobass24]

Although several guides state to rename the client .exe, it has been known to cause strange glitches like this but good to hear rebooting got it working again.

The problem with that step is that some peoples computers show the .exe in the file name and others do not.
What happens is the file gets renamed without an extension, and become unusable.

 

[OvrrDrive]

Remember that you have to complete 10 units with your passkey before you qualify for the bonus. Until that happens, you will only receive the base points value for each workunit you submit.

Good point. 6012 is worth 470 points so this is clearly what happened OvrrDrive.

Hmm... I have over 30 Wu with this passkey. I wonder why I'm not seeing the bonus. I'm running a classic client on an old machine, my PS3 and the smp client on my main rig. Out of the 67 wu's I have credit for under my name at least 30 are from the regular clients.

Here's my latest:



edit. Or do they have to all be smp wu's?

It is possible that I may not have 10 smp wu's yet I guess. It should be close though as I ran the classic client for about a week before I went to the smp.

 

[Tobit]

Hmm... I have over 30 Wu with this passkey. I wonder why I'm not seeing the bonus. I'm running a classic client on an old machine, my PS3 and the smp client on my main rig. Out of the 67 wu's I have credit for under my name at least 30 are from the regular clients.

Regular clients do not count. They have to be 10 SMP WUs from either A2 or A3 cores or a mix of the two.

 

[OvrrDrive]

Grr... That's what it is then. I'll try to figure out how many smp units I've done and then I'll know. At least these a3's are a little smaller so I can get done faster.

 

[APOLLO]

Wow.... Your sure you don't have 1 CPU option enabled in the bios?

Have you run some benchmarks on it? Is it just folding that it sucks at?

Honestly, Kendrak, I don't know what's up with this system. There are two CPUs installed and I get 8 cores detected in both Windows and Linux, but it's like there's only 2 cores performing out of the 8 since I got the board. If anyone has good benchmarking or hardware testing utilities to recommend, please feel free to mention them. I'd really appreciate all the help I can get to finally resolve the issue with this system after a year of disappointment. The A3 WUs convinced me there is something very wrong.

 

[Vaulter98c]

anyone got an estimate for a dual opteron (8347's at 1.9ghz) ? Its 8 real cores

 

[nitrobass24]

anyone got an estimate for a dual opteron (8347's at 1.9ghz) ? Its 8 real cores

10643PPD

 

[gkanakis]

So I got my Win 7 going on my i7 and my AMD. Now cmd is crashing in XP 32bit on my Q9550. It crashed at different time of the config.
It's always after I change a setting though.

 

[jfb9301]

Q9650@ 4.15GHz,

10000 PPDish

 

[Tobit]

So I got my Win 7 going on my i7 and my AMD. Now cmd is crashing in XP 32bit on my Q9550. It crashed at different time of the config.
It's always after I change a setting though.

as I was alluding to yesterday, put the name of the executable back to its original name. As odd as this may sound, there have been some, albeit rare, similar issues like you are experiencing and it was related to the renaming of the executable.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

darn tried to give these A3 WU's a try but it wont go past my password thing and im not friggin setting up a windows password for this shit.. not to mention i dont have the patience anymore for cmd prompt.. guess ill just stick with boinc..

 

[Tigerbiten]

Auto-login with a Windoze password is easy.
One your name has a password then .......
Run -> control userpasswords2 -> Ok.
Click on your name and untick the box above.
Ok.
Enter password twice.
Ok.

You will now auto-login with your password.

Luck ...........

 

[EvilAlchemist]

I see there are a number of users who PPD has jumped with SMP2.

Gotta keep EVGA back any way we can.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

Auto-login with a Windoze password is easy.
One your name has a password then .......
Run -> control userpasswords2 -> Ok.
Click on your name and untick the box above.
Ok.
Enter password twice.
Ok.

You will now auto-login with your password.

Luck ...........

interesting.. maybe ill try it again tomorrow.. stupid ADD is keeping me from focusing on anything tonight..

 

[The_Heretic]

I see there are a number of users who PPD has jumped with SMP2.

Gotta keep EVGA back any way we can.

So far my points today are down. The A3 cores running is slowing down the GPUs

 

[404 - File not found]

I downloaded the new smp for windows, entered the infos, -advmethods -smp 2, but I received an old FahCore_78 WU, did I miss something?

# Windows CPU Console Edition #################################################
###############################################################################

Folding@Home Client Version 6.29

http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: C:\Program Files\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01
Executable: C:\Program Files\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01\Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe


[18:30:30] - Ask before connecting: No
[18:30:30] - User name: 404_-_File_not_found (Team 33)
[18:30:30] - User ID: 680978A6606E4631
[18:30:30] - Machine ID: 1
[18:30:30]
[18:30:30] Loaded queue successfully.
[18:30:30] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[18:30:30] Cleaning up work directory
[18:30:30] + Attempting to get work packet
[18:30:30] - Connecting to assignment server
[18:30:31] + No appropriate work server was available; will try again in a bit.
[18:30:31] + Couldn't get work instructions.
[18:30:31] - Attempt #1 to get work failed, and no other work to do.
Waiting before retry.
[18:30:39] + Attempting to get work packet
[18:30:39] - Connecting to assignment server
[18:30:40] + No appropriate work server was available; will try again in a bit.
[18:30:40] + Couldn't get work instructions.
.............
[19:14:22] + Attempting to get work packet
[19:14:22] - Connecting to assignment server
[19:14:23] + No appropriate work server was available; will try again in a bit.
[19:14:23] + Couldn't get work instructions.
[19:14:23] - Attempt #10 to get work failed, and no other work to do.
Waiting before retry.
[19:57:10] + Attempting to get work packet
[19:57:10] - Connecting to assignment server
[19:57:10] - Successful: assigned to (171.64.65.60).
[19:57:10] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[19:57:11] Loaded queue successfully.
[19:57:15] + Closed connections
[19:57:15]
[19:57:15] + Processing work unit
[19:57:15] Core required: FahCore_78.exe
[19:57:15] Core not found.
[19:57:15] - Core is not present or corrupted.
[19:57:15] - Attempting to download new core...
[19:57:15] + Downloading new core: FahCore_78.exe
....

 

[Tigerbiten]

Your still missing the flags "-advmethods -smp 8".

# Windows CPU Console Edition #################################################

Folding@Home Client Version 6.29

http://folding.stanford.edu

############################################################

Launch directory: C:\Program Files\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01
Executable: C:\Program Files\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01\Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe
Arguments: -advmethods -smp 8 <- They should show up there

[18:30:30] - Ask before connecting: No

Shut the client down.
Add them to the shortcut.
Restart the client and double check they show up.

Luck ...........

 

[HighYield]

Your still missing the flags "-advmethods -smp 8".

Shut the client down.
Add them to the shortcut.
Restart the client and double check they show up.

Luck ...........

Do you need to specify the number of cores like " -SMP #" or can you just include "-SMP"? I just did it as "-SMP" and the computer indicates all four cores of the Q6600 are going but fahmon (2.3.99.1) shows an anemic 950 ppd compared to about 4500 ppd with an A2 core in a notfred VM.

 

[nitrobass24]

You didnt specify -advmethods properly so you are running an A1 WU.
That is why your PPD is low.

I always add my flags to the additional parameters in the advanced options.

If you have a Q6660 add -smp 4 -verbosity 9 -advmethods

 

[HighYield]

You don't have to add the -advmethods flag as an additional parameter since there is a configuration option to always include it if you indicate yes. I really do have A3 cores (3 different clients), but fahmon must need an update or something since it isn't indicating a very high ppd (it also has a message about unknown core). At least it isn't crashing!

 

[nitrobass24]

You don't have to add the -advmethods flag as an additional parameter since there is a configuration option to always include it if you indicate yes. I really do have A3 cores (3 different clients), but fahmon must need an update or something since it isn't indicating a very high ppd (it also has a message about unknown core). At least it isn't crashing!

o i got you mixed up with 404

my bad

 

[CraftyOtter]

Just wondering, is there any point trying to run this new A3 core on a lowely C2D E8400? I'm getting about 2000 PpD running a notfreds VM. I don't want waste WUs/miss deadlines trying to figure it out on my own.

 

[404 - File not found]

I have the arguments loading now, ran the install.bat, but I am now getting a1.. and it's interfering with the gpus! lol. But anyway it doesn't matter, I won't be running smp2 on that machine (I read that dual cores running smp2 a3 get less points than a2).

 

[Zero82z]

Do you need to specify the number of cores like " -SMP #" or can you just include "-SMP"? I just did it as "-SMP" and the computer indicates all four cores of the Q6600 are going but fahmon (2.3.99.1) shows an anemic 950 ppd compared to about 4500 ppd with an A2 core in a notfred VM.

You don't have to add the -advmethods flag as an additional parameter since there is a configuration option to always include it if you indicate yes. I really do have A3 cores (3 different clients), but fahmon must need an update or something since it isn't indicating a very high ppd (it also has a message about unknown core). At least it isn't crashing!

Fahmon does not calculate bonus points. You will need to use HFM.NET or Fahspy if you want to know your true PPD. Also, don't forget that you need to use a passkey and you need to have completed 10 workunits with it in order to qualify for the bonus.

 

[EvilAlchemist]

I have the arguments loading now, ran the install.bat, but I am now getting a1.. and it's interfering with the gpus! lol. But anyway it doesn't matter, I won't be running smp2 on that machine (I read that dual cores running smp2 a3 get less points than a2).

My Core 2 Duo processors are getting more PPD with SMP2 then SMP1 ever did.

Core 2 Duo T9300 (45nm) 2.5Ghz: 2000 PPD on projects 6012, 6014, 6015
Core 2 Duo Xeon 3075 (65nm) 2.67 Ghz: 1950 PPD on projects 6012, 6014, 6015

 

[Zero82z]

My Core 2 Duo processors are getting more PPD with SMP2 then SMP1 ever did.

Core 2 Duo T9300 (45nm) 2.5Ghz: 2000 PPD on projects 6012, 6014, 6015
Core 2 Duo Xeon 3075 (65nm) 2.67 Ghz: 1950 PPD on projects 6012, 6014, 6015

My E2140 gets less PPD compared to the A2 core, and I've seen similar results from other people folding on dual-core CPUs. I also tried it for a bit on my laptop but I stopped it once I saw that I was only getting about 300PPD from it. The conclusion is that SMP2 is only really advantageous for CPUs with 4 cores or more, but below that it puts out worse PPD. I suspect that this is largely due to the bonus.

 

[nitrobass24]

Anyone else noticed significant slowdowns on 6015's?
Im getting like 20min TPF on my dual 5530's

 

[Tobit]

No.

Core i7 920 @ 3.8 GHz with a GTX 260

 Project ID: 6015
 Core: GRO-A3
 Credit: 484
 Frames: 100

 Name: ganymede - SMP2
 Path: C:\fah\smp2\
 Number of Frames Observed: 600

 Min. Time / Frame : 00:02:56 - 18,686.7 PPD
 Avg. Time / Frame : 00:03:18 - 15,660.4 PPD

 

[nitrobass24]

This gets even weirder.
The TPF is really more like min after looking at the log.
HFM.net is just acting goofy i guess.

--- Opening Log file [January 27 01:18:21 UTC] 


# Windows SMP Console Edition #################################################
###############################################################################

                       Folding@Home Client Version 6.29

                          http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: c:\Folding\SMP0
Service: c:\Folding\SMP0\fah6
Arguments: -svcstart -d c:\Folding\SMP0 -smp 8 -verbosity 9 -d "C:\Folding\SMP0" 

Launched as a service.
Could not enter c:\Folding\SMP0! Working in launch directory.

[01:18:21] - Ask before connecting: No
[01:18:21] - User name: Nitrobass24 (Team 33)
[01:18:21] - User ID: 232E22C456A7A67F
[01:18:21] - Machine ID: 10
[01:18:21] 
[01:18:21] Loaded queue successfully.
[01:18:21] 
[01:18:21] + Processing work unit
[01:18:21] Core required: FahCore_a3.exe
[01:18:21] - Autosending finished units... [January 27 01:18:21 UTC]
[01:18:21] Trying to send all finished work units
[01:18:21] + No unsent completed units remaining.
[01:18:21] - Autosend completed
[01:18:21] Core found.
[01:18:21] Working on queue slot 06 [January 27 01:18:21 UTC]
[01:18:21] + Working ...
[01:18:21] - Calling '.\FahCore_a3.exe -dir work/ -nice 19 -suffix 06 -np 8 -checkpoint 15 -service -verbose -lifeline 5144 -version 629'

[01:18:21] 
[01:18:21] *------------------------------*
[01:18:21] Folding@Home Gromacs SMP Core
[01:18:21] Version 2.14 (Dec 16, 2009)
[01:18:21] 
[01:18:21] Preparing to commence simulation
[01:18:21] - Looking at optimizations...
[01:18:21] - Files status OK
[01:18:21] - Expanded 1799773 -> 2392545 (decompressed 132.9 percent)
[01:18:21] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=1799773 data_size=2392545, decompressed_data_size=2392545 diff=0
[01:18:21] - Digital signature verified
[01:18:21] 
[01:18:21] Project: 6015 (Run 0, Clone 121, Gen 1)
[01:18:21] 
[01:18:21] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[01:18:21] Entering M.D.
[01:18:27] Using Gromacs checkpoints
[01:18:28] Resuming from checkpoint
[01:18:28] Verified work/wudata_06.log
[01:18:28] Verified work/wudata_06.trr
[01:18:28] Verified work/wudata_06.edr
[01:18:28] Completed 300 out of 500000 steps  (0%)
[01:21:51] Completed 5000 out of 500000 steps  (1%)
[01:26:42] Completed 10000 out of 500000 steps  (2%)
[01:30:19] Completed 15000 out of 500000 steps  (3%)
[01:33:58] Completed 20000 out of 500000 steps  (4%)
[01:37:31] Completed 25000 out of 500000 steps  (5%)
[01:40:54] Completed 30000 out of 500000 steps  (6%)
[01:44:20] Completed 35000 out of 500000 steps  (7%)
[01:47:44] Completed 40000 out of 500000 steps  (8%)
[01:51:06] Completed 45000 out of 500000 steps  (9%)
[01:54:34] Completed 50000 out of 500000 steps  (10%)
[01:57:58] Completed 55000 out of 500000 steps  (11%)
[02:01:21] Completed 60000 out of 500000 steps  (12%)
[02:04:46] Completed 65000 out of 500000 steps  (13%)
[02:08:10] Completed 70000 out of 500000 steps  (14%)
[02:11:34] Completed 75000 out of 500000 steps  (15%)
[02:14:58] Completed 80000 out of 500000 steps  (16%)
[02:18:21] Completed 85000 out of 500000 steps  (17%)
[02:21:47] Completed 90000 out of 500000 steps  (18%)
[02:25:09] Completed 95000 out of 500000 steps  (19%)
[02:28:34] Completed 100000 out of 500000 steps  (20%)
[02:32:07] Completed 105000 out of 500000 steps  (21%)
[02:35:50] Completed 110000 out of 500000 steps  (22%)
[02:39:18] Completed 115000 out of 500000 steps  (23%)
[02:42:43] Completed 120000 out of 500000 steps  (24%)
[02:46:06] Completed 125000 out of 500000 steps  (25%)
[02:49:31] Completed 130000 out of 500000 steps  (26%)
[02:53:02] Completed 135000 out of 500000 steps  (27%)
[02:56:30] Completed 140000 out of 500000 steps  (28%)
[02:59:55] Completed 145000 out of 500000 steps  (29%)
[03:03:29] Completed 150000 out of 500000 steps  (30%)
[03:06:55] Completed 155000 out of 500000 steps  (31%)
[03:10:23] Completed 160000 out of 500000 steps  (32%)
[03:13:57] Completed 165000 out of 500000 steps  (33%)
[03:17:42] Completed 170000 out of 500000 steps  (34%)
[03:21:16] Completed 175000 out of 500000 steps  (35%)
[03:24:48] Completed 180000 out of 500000 steps  (36%)
[03:28:38] Completed 185000 out of 500000 steps  (37%)
[03:32:13] Completed 190000 out of 500000 steps  (38%)
[03:35:49] Completed 195000 out of 500000 steps  (39%)
[03:39:23] Completed 200000 out of 500000 steps  (40%)
[03:43:04] Completed 205000 out of 500000 steps  (41%)
[03:46:42] Completed 210000 out of 500000 steps  (42%)
[03:50:20] Completed 215000 out of 500000 steps  (43%)
[03:54:01] Completed 220000 out of 500000 steps  (44%)
[03:57:39] Completed 225000 out of 500000 steps  (45%)
[04:01:14] Completed 230000 out of 500000 steps  (46%)
[04:04:47] Completed 235000 out of 500000 steps  (47%)
[04:08:16] Completed 240000 out of 500000 steps  (48%)
[04:11:45] Completed 245000 out of 500000 steps  (49%)
[04:15:18] Completed 250000 out of 500000 steps  (50%)
[04:18:46] Completed 255000 out of 500000 steps  (51%)
[04:22:16] Completed 260000 out of 500000 steps  (52%)
[04:25:44] Completed 265000 out of 500000 steps  (53%)
[04:29:13] Completed 270000 out of 500000 steps  (54%)
[04:32:43] Completed 275000 out of 500000 steps  (55%)

 

[Elledan]

My E2140 gets less PPD compared to the A2 core, and I've seen similar results from other people folding on dual-core CPUs. I also tried it for a bit on my laptop but I stopped it once I saw that I was only getting about 300PPD from it. The conclusion is that SMP2 is only really advantageous for CPUs with 4 cores or more, but below that it puts out worse PPD. I suspect that this is largely due to the bonus.

Yeah, same experience here. Running an X2 4450e I'm getting ~550 PPD compared to the ~950 PPD previously with the Linux SMP VM client.