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Ebernanut

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My issue was where did the desktop go... and how do I get it back. Its super easy to switch back and forth once you figure out why the desktop went all broke AF. Its also the fact that now to get to the settings for things like say, microphone levels, what used to be two clicks is now something like 4-5... and its still exactly the same dialog it was in win 7, you just have to click through the settings ap first, now.
I've never had it change the desktop, I think full screen mode for applications and the start menu works differently but regardless everything returns to the way it was when I change it back.

The controls for settings are definitely all screwed up in 10, everything takes more steps and there's a few things that you can't even do without opening the old control panel or wading through device manager, I think one of the last major updates might have even removed the legacy control panel too.
 

ng4ever

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What is the state of the browser market? I know Chrome has the most but I don't care. What about other browsers how do they all rank ?
 

MaZa

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I used Waterfox until it was quietly sold to a shady data mining company last year which is extra bad considering it started out as a privacy oriented browser.

Well, shit. From a fire into a firepit. Are there any other Firefox based builds that I should check? Chromium based ones are okay too, its just tabs must be under navigation/search bar or otherwise my OCD flares up badly. 😅
 

sharknice

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What is the state of the browser market? I know Chrome has the most but I don't care. What about other browsers how do they all rank ?

On desktop it's about 70% chrome, 12% edge, 6% firefox, 3% safari, 3% are still using internet explorer.... 1% opera, and then 4% using others.

But most browsing is done on mobile now which is almost all Chrome and Safari.
 

ng4ever

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On desktop it's about 70% chrome, 12% edge, 6% firefox, 3% safari, 3% are still using internet explorer.... 1% opera, and then 4% using others.

But most browsing is done on mobile now which is almost all Chrome and Safari.

Thanks.
 

michalrz

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Got hit with it yesterday.
The UI (especially the tabs) slightly reminds me of old KDE-style controls. I loved KDE 3.

Too bright though, had to switch to a dark theme in order to keep the screen from burning my retinas come evening.

I see they added more vertical padding/margins between individual entries in the drop-down menus, and I appreciate the ease of aiming at things that that provides.

A solid 3.6 Roentgen, not great not terrible, which is already pretty good in my book considering the downward spiral almost every company has gone down these last few years.

I appreciate they didn't (yet again) disable this area, which is vital to my FF experience lol. Been using it like that since day 2 or so.
 

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DanNeely

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unfortunately, from what I have read, this workaround will be "fixed" in the next update and you won't be able to revert it.
I might have to look into the ESR version because I really can't stand this "new and improved" UI

It looks like they've missed the cutoff to remove it in v90, but will be doing so for v91 so they don't need to carry it into the next ESR release.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1709425
 

SvenBent

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My claim is that as a company, Mozilla is working in the wrong direction, and that I'm not going to bother checking to see how they control my information. They already stated they have an interest in being gatekeepers, not browser builders.



It opens up with deplatforming isn't enough. That's literally the opposite of transparency. The article isn't seeking to be "transparent" when it goes after advertisers and content creators, it wants to dox people and block their voices.

Also, I a cannot stress this enough, the changes to Firefox make it look like hammered shit on a sidewalk.

To quote yourself "A *browser* company that aims to restrict what people see, think, and say, fails to perform in its *primary* function."
So stop changing your claim just because you lag the ability to back it up.

oh I see you are reading snippets/headlines making up your own interpretation of it and ignores where things are explained.
Because the article is clearly stating it is about transparency about who pays for what information to be delivered. Not stopping the info. Nothing is being blocked. you just stop reading after after a few lines.

But I can see now the issue here seems to be more of a political fanboys-ism than technical/logical arguments.


P.S.
Your "also" is irrelevant for your original claim.
 

RanceJustice

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Well, shit. From a fire into a firepit. Are there any other Firefox based builds that I should check? Chromium based ones are okay too, its just tabs must be under navigation/search bar or otherwise my OCD flares up badly. 😅

Well, baseline Firefox is likely suitable if you customize the appearance / settings or use addons. See if you can customize it to serve your needs and if not, exactly what is blocking you from doing what you wish ; it may not be necessary to move toanother entire project at all but if it is, its good to know which may have the solutions you needd

Forks tend to fall into two categories - some are "pre-Quantum" (ie prior to Firefox 56 I think it was) that changed over from XUL to WebExtensions among a ton of other changes for security and performance, but some features were lost thanks to sandboxing and restriction of the new extension API for security vs what could be done previously. Thus, some preferred the old way . There were some browsers that attemped to maintain the "old XUL" layout and features, attempting to support everything that Firefox changed with Quantum. A few managed to focus on the "old" features and support them yet also supporting modern web standards, features and updates, but a great many more became an outdated broken mess as time went on or - perhaps even worse - horribly insecure patchwork. A handful tried to meld the old and the new together, supporting XUL alongside WebExtensions and e10 multiprocess, but the amount who managed to do it safely and effectively were small and questionable. The best of the "old type" ( still libre) forks worth checking out are likely PaleMoon , Basilisk, K-Meleon, or SeaMonkey ; there are many more that are no longer updated.

There are a handful of modern Firefox forks that are often "pre-tweaked" versions of the latest tech. They may remove certain features or content that is deemed of concern (ie even the possibility of telemetry, WebRTC, the DRM plug-ins etc) and often bundle some privacy/security add-ons (ad/content blockers, HTTPS, anti-fingerprinting etc...often very similar or the very same addons you can find and install on Firefox or any compatible browser). Right now the most up to date and popular of these are GNU IceCat and LibreWolf, with the latter being particularly noteworthy in recent months as a "pre-tweaked" Firefox. I've pointed a few towards LibreWolf as good starting place for those who want the modern experience of Firefox but want some of the privacy and addon tweaks (ie like installing uBlock Origin) already provided.

Definitely feel free to give the forks a try, as I feel they are more desirable than simply moving to something Chrome/ium based when one disagrees with a design or feature decision Mozilla made for Firefox. Do keep in mind however that they all depend upon Firefox and Mozilla for development to a degree; the "modern" forks the vast majority for the important elements yet users at least will likely be counted as FF users by metrics, whereas the "old" forks less so though still of importance yet users are less likely to be recorded as FF due to more significant variations so consider a UserAgent spoofing addon . If Firefox usage across the board continues to decline, it will be unlikely that hobbyist developers could easily replicate Firefox development were Mozilla devs were to cease. Thus, in the interest of keeping Google with Chrome/ium + Blink engine from having nearly uncontested web engine use (among other privacy and security reasons) , it is worth it using Firefox in some form and to be sure that if you're using a fork or variant that typical metrics will record it as modern Firefox. Hope this helps!
 

illli

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Firefox has an identity crisis. The organization wants to make it like Chrome to attract new users. But current users want the same old experience.

As someone that used firefox since before it was called firefox, I started to notice this trend around/after FF 4. Back then they had incremental version updates, but chrome had complete new version numbers for almost every release. I feel like the people at the company saw that google was doing, and next thing you know they were having rapidly inflating version numbers too. And today we are on version 89 lol

A few versions after FF 4, you saw them switch to "new and improved" Australis GUI... which looked too similar to be a coincidence like chrome. I remember back then a lot of people didn't like that look either. But at least at that time you could easily change it. Back then FF had a few hundred full themes, that could customize the entire look of the browser. Everything from icons to the tab shape and it was great. Then some years later they did their hardest to bury this (you had to really dig around the mozilla site to find them), and then they used the excuse of "hardly anyone uses the full themes" to gut it from the browser and only leave a very basic theming implementation instead. I don't remember when in the timeline this happened but humorously someone came out with an add-on for "classic theme restorer" that made it look like the older GUI of firefox. I think there was a high demand for it, but then FF eliminated XUL and that was the end of that.
 
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D-EJ915

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Only change I don't like is how you have to hover over the icon for it to show the speaker icon now where before it always showed.
 

GNUse_the_force

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Slight update to my prior post regarding the firefox based 'librewolf' alternative. This has just been updated to FF89 and has the new look. For some reason it looked more compact than firefox itself side by side, until i realized that it is taking advantage of native window borders & headers. This means that the tabs themselves are located in the window 'frame' controls area thus saving space :)
Not only that you can still run compact mode (for now, until they decided to remove it) as explained in the previous post to make it even more space efficient.

example.. (sorry for the crap image quality, the compression nuked it) but yea very compact yet with all the standard information available.

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edit* this also applies to the Linux version of brave to be fair (not sure about windowns TBH)

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