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980 Ti

Simplex said:
Thanks a lot for a nice explanation and the video. That sound would drive me insane :D
So if I wanted to check if my card has coil whine I should try to generate as much fps as possible?
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Basically, turn off VSYNC and frame rate limiter and using FRAPS or whatever, go to a in game menu and you should get hundreds if not thousands of FPS and thats where coil when gets generated
 
BlueSaber80 said:
I thought you wern't happy with that one either and the overclock was crap? Or was it someone else here? Fuck, the last 2 weeks with this Ti exchange and RMA game has really fucking worn me out....I nearly wanted to throw up when my MSI 980 Ti didnt' perform hardly any better then my 980, even after I fucking rebuilt windows outa desperation
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I was t happy at breaking 1500 on the core but to be honest between 1400 default boost and 1480 that I can pull with this card, the performance difference in games is negligible so I have made peace with running the card bone stock since it's default fan curve is silent.
 
Despite requesting a replacement from Newegg, it seems they are just refunding me my money for the Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti. Now I'm not sure where to go from here...take another chance with the Gigabyte card, or get something else? :confused:
 
t1337Dude said:
Despite requesting a replacement from Newegg, it seems they are just refunding me my money for the Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti. Now I'm not sure where to go from here...take another chance with the Gigabyte card, or get something else? :confused:
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Amazing, I had to speak with three reps and threaten to involve VISA before they gave me a refund on my Gigabyte. I took a chance with my first MSI card after my Gigabyte G1 was a dud and that surprisingly was even worse in comparison. Now I ponder if I even wanna bother with wasting my time and money on a 3rd.
 
Go for the 3rd, you only live once.

Buy reference, save some $$ and join the vacuum cleaner club.
 
AriciU said:
Go for the 3rd, you only live once.

Buy reference, save some $$ and join the vacuum cleaner club.
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No thanks, I like my sexy STRIX to much to go blower style


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AriciU said:
Go for the 3rd, you only live once.

Buy reference, save some $$ and join the vacuum cleaner club.
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:p

One of the main reasons I went with the G1 was because of the nice boost over reference. And my GTX 980 was reference...I'm done with reference. Even though I'm going to probably throw a waterblock on my card, I'd still benefit from a custom board because those usually have a few nice other enhancements.

Being stuck with an ATI 5850 isn't a very fun, I have to admit.
 
t1337Dude said:
Despite requesting a replacement from Newegg, it seems they are just refunding me my money for the Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti. Now I'm not sure where to go from here...take another chance with the Gigabyte card, or get something else? :confused:
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My 2nd G1 is great. I guess it's a coin flip but my system is nice a cool and my temps don't get high at all.

I believe you asked about Shadow or Mordor in the G1 thread I just ran the benchmark and the results were using AB with +150 and +400

Avg - 87.91
Max - 126.88
Min - 51.03
 
t1337Dude said:
:p

One of the main reasons I went with the G1 was because of the nice boost over reference. And my GTX 980 was reference...I'm done with reference. Even though I'm going to probably throw a waterblock on my card, I'd still benefit from a custom board because those usually have a few nice other enhancements.

Being stuck with an ATI 5850 isn't a very fun, I have to admit.
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Just remember that non-reference cards may have non-reference PCB's which means finding a water block to fit can be a challenge.
 
BDestroyer8418 said:
My 2nd G1 is great. I guess it's a coin flip but my system is nice a cool and my temps don't get high at all.

I believe you asked about Shadow or Mordor in the G1 thread I just ran the benchmark and the results were using AB with +150 and +400

Avg - 87.91
Max - 126.88
Min - 51.03
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Thanks. I suppose I'll just play the lottery again. I'm a little pissed that they sent me a refund because I need that money to re-order my card and it probably won't process until after the weekend. :rolleyes: Newegg is going to think I'm nuts, constantly replacing my Acer Xb270hu, and now my Gigabyte G1. Hopefully they don't turn on me.

Is that at 1440P? That's exactly what I was getting on mine (with it set to "OC Mode" in Guru). I guess upgrading my CPU to a Xeon 5670 thinking I was bottlenecked a little bit of a fruitless endeavor.
Artificiary said:
Just remember that non-reference cards may have non-reference PCB's which means finding a water block to fit can be a challenge.
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I read the G1 has an EK waterblock coming within a couple months :)
 
I just ran it again a few times with changing setting with OC guru and the numbers are similar just like the review they are never the same. Yes 1440p. Even with my custom OC and the default OC you can select they are very close to what the benchmark is reading.

If you looking to save on shipping why not just sign up http://www.newegg.com/neweggpremier just do the trial for 30 days and cancel free . You get 3 day shipping for free or discount on the 2 day or next day. I know someone else said they paid a fortune in shipping/returns but never understood why they didn't just get a free trial or pay for the 3 months @ $20.

with my same setting in the post above and close program and try again

Avg - 87.62
Max - 134.83
Min - 47.47
 
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BDestroyer8418 said:
I just ran it again a few times with changing setting with OC guru and the numbers are similar just like the review they are never the same. Yes 1440p. Even with my custom OC and the default OC you can select they are very close to what the benchmark is reading.

If you looking to save on shipping why not just sign up http://www.newegg.com/neweggpremier just do the trial for 30 days and cancel free . You get 3 day shipping for free or discount on the 2 day or next day. I know someone else said they paid a fortune in shipping/returns but never understood why they didn't just get a free trial or pay for the 3 months @ $20.

with my same setting in the post above and close program and try again

Avg - 87.62
Max - 134.83
Min - 47.47
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Cool, thanks for doing this and clarifying some things for me. It's pretty clear to me now that the 3dMark scores aren't the only thing absolutely funky about Guru3d's review. At least that puts my mind to ease about being bottlenecked. :D

Btw I've got Premier. Had to have it for all my Acer XB270HU shipping hassles. Can't live without it now :p
 
Yea after Amazon prime for some many years atleast I don't pay for that my buddy added me since I just use if for shipping now and then but I got on Premier last June. I buy often from Newegg and the first year I saved alot more than the cost of it.

All I can say is good luck hopefully you can get a card to keep on your next purchase. I have a Newegg Credit account so it didn't bother me to just buy the 2nd one but if it was through my debit card I would of had to wait as well til I got refunded in full.
 
If my questions were already answered, kindly point me to the right thread :)

Any advice on tweaking the power limit and temperature limit settings?
Once I raise the power target to the maximum allowable 109%, my temp limit is automatically raised to 91 degrees Celsius, unless I unlink it, and set to a lower value. There is also possibility to prioritize either power limit, or temp limit. Honestly speaking I have no idea what is the influence of these options on performance, overclockability, etc. Should I keep both values linked, or should I unlink them? (I guess I should unlink and set lower temp limit, but will that not invalidate the higher power limit?)
Also, what limit should I prioritize, power or temp?

For what it's worth, these are my current settings, based on my intuition and common sense (or lack thereof):
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Oh dear. Found the game that will compel me for SLi, Farcry 4 runs like crap at 1440p with 4xmsaa and ultra everything. I am getting 43-50 fps. Not acceptable. Time to order my second classified.
 
KickAssCop said:
Oh dear. Found the game that will compel me for SLi, Farcry 4 runs like crap at 1440p with 4xmsaa and ultra everything. I am getting 43-50 fps. Not acceptable. Time to order my second classified.
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Just fired this game up yesterday as I remember my original titans had a hard time keeping the game above 50 FPS with max settings. Everything cranked with V-sync enabled at 2560x1600 and it stays pegged at 60FPS. I turn v-sync off and my FPS climbed to around 75-78 FPS. I only played around with it for a few minutes and didn't travel very far, but it is a vast improvement over my Titans
 
KickAssCop said:
Oh dear. Found the game that will compel me for SLi, Farcry 4 runs like crap at 1440p with 4xmsaa and ultra everything. I am getting 43-50 fps. Not acceptable. Time to order my second classified.
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Does MSAA make any sense in this game? I remember using SMAA when played which worked very well and used almost no resources. I did not realize anyone is still using MSAA in modern games :) From my experience it makes no sense because MSAA is extremely resource intensive and it's not even doing that good of a job on deferred engines (not to mention that transparencies are not anitaliased at all, and FC4 has a lot of foliage).
 
I finished in with SMAA 2x. MSAA looks much much better. Otherwise i'd just take the extra fps (if my CPU was not limiting me hard with it off that is).
 
AA always make stuff fuzzy. We use it because of the jagged edges. However, once you go up in high enough resolution, the jaggedness is barely visible. The sharpness without AA is pretty evident. I'd rather take the boost in FPS and sharpness over AA that has diminishing value the higher the resolution that's used. Inversely, the higher the resolution, the higher the cost in performance hit using AA.
 
KickAssCop said:
Oh dear. Found the game that will compel me for SLi, Farcry 4 runs like crap at 1440p with 4xmsaa and ultra everything. I am getting 43-50 fps. Not acceptable. Time to order my second classified.
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Skip ultra. You won't notice the difference.

edit: And turn off godrays / fog. It just makes the screen annoyingly yellow or gray.

High was fine here. The big quality loss happens with medium.
 
Especially ultra textures cause stuttering while being virtually indistinguishable from very high textures.
 
KickAssCop said:
I get same fps using SMAA or 4xMSAA. SMAA looks blurry as shit to me.
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Wow I have never heard of SMAA making a game blurry. And it makes no sense that you get the same framerates with 4x MSAA as you do with SMAA. Really neither thing you just said about SMAA is logical.

And in this video they averaged over 85 fps on ultra settings at 1440 with a SINGLE oced 980 Ti and never dropped below 66 for minimum. No how could you possibly be getting only 43-50 fps since you claim SMAA runs the same as 4x MSAA for you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMvFpiiuN98
 
misterbobby said:
Wow I have never heard of SMAA making a game blurry. And it makes no sense that you get the same framerates with 4x MSAA as you do with SMAA. Really neither thing you just said about SMAA is logical.

And in this video they averaged over 85 fps on ultra settings at 1440 with a SINGLE oced 980 Ti and never dropped below 66 for minimum. No how could you possibly be getting only 43-50 fps since you claim SMAA runs the same as 4x MSAA for you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMvFpiiuN98
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I agree, SMAA is awesome. Great alternative to MSAA and in some ways superior.
Ultra SMAA + 2xMSAA is a good catch all.
 
misterbobby said:
Wow I have never heard of SMAA making a game blurry. And it makes no sense that you get the same framerates with 4x MSAA as you do with SMAA. Really neither thing you just said about SMAA is logical.

And in this video they averaged over 85 fps on ultra settings at 1440 with a SINGLE oced 980 Ti and never dropped below 66 for minimum. No how could you possibly be getting only 43-50 fps since you claim SMAA runs the same as 4x MSAA for you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMvFpiiuN98
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This is possible only after turning off all NVidia gameworks features which is what they have done to have apples to apples comparison between Fury X and 980 Ti. Turning on god rays, HBAO+ etc causes the game to take a massive dump.
 
misterbobby said:
Nothing magical happens at 1440 to stop aliasing from being noticeable. Some games can still have obvious jaggies and crawling even at 4k even on a small monitor.
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Guess I'm a small population of peeps who doesn't care about "jaggies", im too busy playing the game to notice the edges are not "smooth" I'll take improved framerate anyday. And I hate how "soft" AA makes games looks, no thanks. 14 years of being a mom AA user and I'll continue it
 
misterbobby said:
Nothing magical happens at 1440 to stop aliasing from being noticeable. Some games can still have obvious jaggies and crawling even at 4k even on a small monitor.
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Actually, high resolution has the secondary benefit of smoothed out lines (less jaggies) it's like a free AA. Check out this discussion here for a couple pictures of 4K without AA. It's very impressive how smooth the lines: http://www.overclock.net/t/1516395/is-anti-aliasing-pointless-in-4k

I guess it boils down to the trade of very minor benefits of smoother lines in high res versus a huge boost in FPS and sharpness without. I'd take the increase in FPS and sharpness every time since high res already has built in no cost AA via increased resolution. I guess that's the magic of high res.
 
Cyph said:
Actually, high resolution has the secondary benefit of smoothed out lines (less jaggies) it's like a free AA. Check out this discussion here for a couple pictures of 4K without AA. It's very impressive how smooth the lines: http://www.overclock.net/t/1516395/is-anti-aliasing-pointless-in-4k

I guess it boils down to the trade of very minor benefits of smoother lines in high res versus a huge boost in FPS and sharpness without. I'd take the increase in FPS and sharpness every time since high res already has built in no cost AA via increased resolution. I guess that's the magic of high res.
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The point was going to 2560x1440 is not going to make jaggies disappear especially if that is 27 inch 1440 screen compared to a 23/24 inch 1080 screen.
 
If given a choice I'd rather have everything on including AA, but AA is the first thing I disable to increase frame rates. I don't miss it much when it's off at 1600p, it's noticeable but for the most part usually I won't notice jaggies as much as I would notice lowered shadow settings or other things.
 
LurkerLito said:
If given a choice I'd rather have everything on including AA, but AA is the first thing I disable to increase frame rates. I don't miss it much when it's off at 1600p, it's noticeable but for the most part usually I won't notice jaggies as much as I would notice lowered shadow settings or other things.
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I take it on a game by game basis but yes lowering AA is usually the first step if I am not able to maintain 60 fps. My native res is only 1080 so that gives lots of flexibility with a 980 Ti using DSR. If I had a native 4k screen then I would be having to compromise on a ton of settings to get 60 fps since dropping below native res is not a choice I like to make.
 
I know I will be crucified ;) but on a very poorly optimized game which would not be able to keep a steady 60fps I tried locking the framerate to 40 and it is not that bad. I love playing at 60fps, but sometimes that's unattainable (especially before I had 980Ti :) ) and then 40fps is a reasonable (for me) compromise. Of course I bought 980Ti and OCed it precisely do I can have 60fps in every game. So far the only one with problems is unity - during cutscenes (lots of hair) framerate drops below 60 even in 1080p).
 
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