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980 Ti

Dan_D said:
People keep saying this, but I don't think it will be clocked higher. The reference design will probably have the GPU clocked either at the same level as the Titan X or slightly below it. AIB partners can make their own designs and can control the clocks so there is a lot of opportunity for factory overclocked cards which isn't allowed for the Titan X. So I'm expecting the 980Ti to be roughly the same as the Titan or slightly slower at stock clocks with half the VRAM. An 8GB version may also not be out of the question.

I don't think NVIDIA is going to shit on the Titan X owners by making the 980Ti faster even if it does have less VRAM. It was one thing when the old Titan was a double precision card that had professional uses beyond gaming as it fit a niche in between the GeForce and Quadro lines. This time the Titan X is single precision so they would sell very few Titan X if the 980Ti were actually the better card. The people pushing 4K and beyond right now are slim and very few people could actually justify going to the Titan X over the 980Ti. I mean if you have to cannabilize sales its best to do it to yourself rather
let your competition do it but making the 980Ti that much faster will piss off your current Titan X customers and kill sales of the card pretty much completley.
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With the memory configuration on the gm200, how are you getting a 8gb card? Even with nvidias special 970 ram magic I don't think you can come up with a 8gb gm200.
 
Was wondering if I'd be able to do a step-up to one of the new 980s, I bought my 980 back on Feb 17th. With these dates looks like it ain't gonna happen. Oh wells.
 
Factum said:
That would indicate a respin yes.

So not a GM200-400-A1, but a GM200-400-Bx (or a GM210-400-Ax die depending on how much where changed on the chip)
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Why the hell would they do that for a random chip somewhat down the totem pole?
 
Dan_D said:
AIB partners can make their own designs and can control the clocks so there is a lot of opportunity for factory overclocked cards which isn't allowed for the Titan X.
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While still a reference design (as they all are of course), EVGA has already been selling a superclocked Titan X.
 
xorbe said:
Why the hell would they do that for a random chip somewhat down the totem pole?
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They wouldn't be doing that for a specific bin, it would be for yield/performance purposes of all bins.

While I doubt it is a new respin, if it is it would simply be a GM200-A2.
A GM200-B1 or GM210-A1 would be a new ASIC and have to be taped out.
 
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n=1 said:
Something very important that Kitguru left out from that Chinese source, is that it claims the May release will be reference cards ONLY, and custom cards won't show up until Sep. (although I guess this is basically expected given past release history)
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If they go 780ti way and put Titan vapour chamber on the 980ti, reference won't be a problem :)
 
MorgothPl said:
If they go 780ti way and put Titan vapour chamber on the 980ti, reference won't be a problem :)
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Yeah in this case reference is additional selling point for me. I don't want 300W of power being dumpped into m-atx case where I only have 1x200mm slow fan as intake.
 
Hurin said:
While still a reference design (as they all are of course), EVGA has already been selling a superclocked Titan X.
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Well BIOS modification is one thing. Redesigned PCBs are another.
 
OwNjaH said:
Was wondering if I'd be able to do a step-up to one of the new 980s, I bought my 980 back on Feb 17th. With these dates looks like it ain't gonna happen. Oh wells.
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i contacted evga and there rep told me that since the 980ti isn't out yet they're not sure if it will qualify for step up.
 
$650 sounds about right. If it comes out before the 390x then we will pray the 390x>Titan x/980 ti or even matches it for $550. Not too far fetched considering recent history, which may or may not induce a 980ti price drop to $500. In other words let's all hope this goes just like the Titan/780 vs 290(x) release
 
MorgothPl said:
If they go 780ti way and put Titan vapour chamber on the 980ti, reference won't be a problem :)
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Dan_D said:
Well BIOS modification is one thing. Redesigned PCBs are another.
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Pretty much what Dan said, power delivery on reference PCBs will never match custom ones.

Reference blower also seems a bit strained on the Titan X, and again this is where aftermarkte coolers will really shine.
 
980 - drops to $499
980SE - $649 (2304 core)
980Ti - $799 (2560 core)
985 - $899 (2816 core)
Titan X - $999

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jk
 
Honestly, I'd actually be pretty surprised if nVidia did call this 980 Ti instead of 1080 Ti.
 
n=1 said:
Honestly, I'd actually be pretty surprised if nVidia did call this 980 Ti instead of 1080 Ti.
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Really? Have they ever jumped from *80 to (+1)*80 Ti? Doesn't make sense from a marketing side. I'd say 980 Ti or 985 is likely. It is a different chip, but same architecture...
 
Why are we making the assumption that NVIDIA is going to continue with the same numbering scheme after Maxwell, anyway?
 
sk3tch said:
Really? Have they ever jumped from *80 to (+1)*80 Ti? Doesn't make sense from a marketing side. I'd say 980 Ti or 985 is likely. It is a different chip, but same architecture...
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Just going off of what happened with GK104 and GK110.
 
Last time 9800 -> 280, so naturally this time 980 -> 28. :D
 
Dan_D said:
That wasn't the norm. NVIDIA's history suggests they will probably call it the 980Ti.
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Well they changed things up quite a bit starting with Kepler, so what used to be the exception might start becoming the norm. I mean really if you think about it, if you took a page from the Tesla and Fermi era, the Maxwell 980 is really a "960 Ti" going by old naming conventions.

See I think the major problem with calling it 980 Ti, is what are you going to name the cut down GM200 parts? A 970 Ti won't cut it because it's hard to imagine a cut down GM200 that performs less than a GM204, and if that really was the case, might as well just use a GM204 chip instead.

So basically if you call the non-Titan full GM200 980 Ti, then either you don't release any cut down GM200 parts (extremely unlikely), or you find some contrived naming conventions, unless you want to really screw up your existing lineup's relative placement. I suppose nVidia could call the next full fat GM200 GTX 985, and the cut down version 980 Ti. *shrug*
 
I've been wondering if Nvidia marketing will be comfortable with using the number 1080 for a flagship video card intended for resolutions much higher than 1080p. They may simply skip to the 1100 line and use the 1000 line for OEM or laptop cards, like they did with the 100 series, the 300 series and 800 series.
 
evilsofa said:
I've been wondering if Nvidia marketing will be comfortable with using the number 1080 for a flagship video card intended for resolutions much higher than 1080p. They may simply skip to the 1100 line and use the 1000 line for OEM or laptop cards, like they did with the 100 series, the 300 series and 800 series.
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GTX 1080P (Performance Edition) for flawless 1080p gaming at 120FPS :D
 
The question is, how many cut down GM200 parts are we going to see before pascal?
With AMD holding out so long to release new cards, does Nvidia need to release cards to fill in the gap?

I can see a "980Ti bridging the gap between the 980/Titan X for now. But I don't think we'll see a new naming scheme until Pascal hits. I also think at that time the cut down GM200 chips will start to drop to the "*60/*70 area. But what do I know, they may switch to an all alpha scheme :D
 
I can't imagine the yields for 601mm^2 dies are such that nVidia can afford to toss out all the imperfect GM200 parts. IMO they'll release cut down versions regardless. Competition from AMD will only change their release schedule, not determine whether they release the cut down parts or not.
 
n=1 said:
I can't imagine the yields for 601mm^2 dies are such that nVidia can afford to toss out all the imperfect GM200 parts. IMO they'll release cut down versions regardless. Competition from AMD will only change their release schedule, not determine whether they release the cut down parts or not.
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i really cant wait to see the memory configuration on the cut down gm200's gpus. 9gb+3gb? 4.5gb+1.5gb? and will they be honest about it?
 
I'd rather that than be forced to spend more money on an aftermarket cooler.
 
That's exactly what they did with the 470 and 570. (cut down 320 bit vs full 384 bit). Could certainly happen again with Maxwell.
 
I know. They pulled a 660/660 Ti with the 970 is what they did, except they didn't disclose it until 4 months after launch.

However, I am very hard pressed to believe they'd try something like that again, at least not without disclosing it at launch.
 
n=1 said:
I know. They pulled a 660/660 Ti with the 970 is what they did, except they didn't disclose it until 4 months after launch.

However, I am very hard pressed to believe they'd try something like that again, at least not without disclosing it at launch.
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i agree, im curious how theyll spin it to us.
 
Nah G-Cache™ would be more in line with their marketing :D
 
hdgamer said:
It makes no sense for Nvidia to call this card 980ti when it's a cut down version of titan x. Maybe GTX990 would make more sense or some form of Titan brand but no way a 980ti. GTX780 was a different line when they cut down the og titan. GTX780ti was a more improved GTX780 with more shaders, just less vram.
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And yet the 780ti was the FULL version of the original Titan (at least the chip was). :eek:
 
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