7900 GTX single card demolishes X1900 crossfire?

Humble_Magii

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Futuremark 3DMark 05

ATi RADEON X1900 XT 512MB CrossFire (625MHz VPU / 1450MHz GDDR-3) (not XTX) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
13,501 3DMarks for $1098 (£622.01)

NVIDIA GeForce 7900 512MB (700MHz GPU / 1800MHz GDDR-3 (not GDDR-3+) (AMD A64 FX-60 2.8GHz)
~13,000 3DMarks (?)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 512MB SLi (550MHz GPU / 1200MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
12,200 3DMarks for $1,439.61 (£815.58)

ATi RADEON X1800 XT 512MB CrossFire (625MHz VPU / 1500MHz GDDR-3) (MESH Computers TITAN X1800 FIRE - AMD A64 X2 4600+ 2.4GHz)
12,050 3DMarks for $1071.16 (£606.78)

ATi RADEON X1900 XTX 512MB (650MHz VPU / 1550MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
11,149 3DMarks for $649 (£367.67)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 512MB (580MHz VPU / 1703MHz GDDR-3) (ARMARI Pantheon-FX-2.8GHz)
10,062 3DMarks

ATi RADEON X1900 XT 512MB (625MHz VPU / 1450MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
~10,000 3DMarks for $549 (£311.04)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 512MB (550MHz GPU / 1700MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
9,608 3DMarks for $719.81 (£407.79)

ATi RADEON X1800 XT 512MB (625MHz VPU / 1500MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
9,271 3DMarks for $535.56 (£303.39)

ATi RADEON X1800 XT 512MB (625MHz VPU / 1500MHz GDDR-3) (MESH Computers TITAN X1800 FIRE - AMD A64 X2 4600+ 2.4GHz)
8,544 3DMarks

Wow one 7900 GTX 512mb smokes a crossfire system of two X1900 cards? 13k? Holy crap.

Look at the X1900 cards in crossfire they barely beat 512mb GTX sli....

Interesting that the new X1900 cards look to be a yawner BUT one shining hope is new crossfire mobos removal of the dongle no mastercards? (crosses fingers)

The XTX looks to be the new PE type :). No such thing as a PE anymore I suppose.

Oh here is the linkage:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=4346

7900GTX in marchish looks like with the GT type hard launched as well at same time and looks like they don't need to hurry either damn I hope ATI get's their ass in gear.

Anyways thoughts? rumors? complete BS?
 

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That's a shady source.

Though 700MHz with 24 pipes would be almost 17 Gpixels of fillrate. Nifty. Too bad the ram shortage would cause the card to be hard to get.
 

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LOL - Hexus? That is still reporting there will be an AGP 7800?? ROFLMAO
 

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crossfire is in its early stages SLI was shit when it first came out and now it owns...
 

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They need to go back and run the tests on the same CPU/memory for both ATI and NV and and then I'll put some stock in those results.
 

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Neither forms of hardware have been confirmed from official sources, and until they are I could give a rat's ass about either of them.
 

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Neither of these cards are out yet, why are you compairing them!?

Glad to know everyone still believes everything they read on the internet.

Its also good to know everyones still playing my favorite game, 3dMark05. I can't wait until xfire supports it.
 

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Leon2ky said:
Neither forms of hardware have been confirmed from official sources, and until they are I could give a rat's ass about either of them.
thanks, that is my point as well. I will make up my mind when I can buy the products. Ps.: the thing that scares me are the 'suspected' prices moreso than the suspected performance.
 

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i find it kind of disturbing that crossfire with 2 1900's supposedly only adds 2k more points to the previous score of 11k with a single card
 

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Actually most of these benchies can be pretty positive for ATI.

Example, an X1900XT if you believe this site will perform like a 512 GTX, only much cheaper (and we know 512 GTX's non-availabilty basically since launch).

Anyways, we'll see. There are also a lot of wonky things like benching them on different CPU's (Isn't FX60 dual core where ATI was benched on FX57 single core?, and doesn't Nvidia have dual core optimizations in the drivers? Could be a boost there)

From a purely theoretical standpoint I would think Nvidia would be hard pressed. X1900 has 3x the shader power. G71 on the other hand has 33% more pipes +~30% clock boost over 512 GTX. So by my very rouch calculations it might be like 1.7X of G70.

Then take into consideration that the 3x power of ATI will not be 100% realized due to other bottlenecks, and probably not even close to 100%. But still, one would think they'd be faster..

But we'll find out soon enough when the real benchmarks come out :) But I just cant imagine triple shader power in the ATI cards nets you such small gains of just a few percent..that'd be odd.

Also found this interesting from Hexus

If Fanny's HEXUS.bean on NVIDIA launching at CeBIT in March is as firmly planted as its partners seem to think so (whilst it’s not looking like a walkover), in Q1 2006 ATi seem set to rule the roost with it’s forthcoming RADEON X1900 (R580/Rodin).

What will the fullness of NVIDIA’s response be in a few months time, and will it be sufficient to head off an ATi RADEON X1900 XTX Platinum Edition?
 

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Sharky974 said:
Actually most of these benchies can be pretty positive for ATI.

Example, an X1900XT if you believe this site will perform like a 512 GTX, only much cheaper (and we know 512 GTX's non-availabilty basically since launch).

Anyways, we'll see. There are also a lot of wonky things like benching them on different CPU's (Isn't FX60 dual core where ATI was benched on FX57 single core?, and doesn't Nvidia have dual core optimizations in the drivers? Could be a boost there)

From a purely theoretical standpoint I would think Nvidia would be hard pressed. X1900 has 3x the shader power. G71 on the other hand has 33% more pipes +~30% clock boost over 512 GTX. So by my very rouch calculations it might be like 1.7X of G70.

Then take into consideration that the 3x power of ATI will not be 100% realized due to other bottlenecks, and probably not even close to 100%. But still, one would think they'd be faster..

But we'll find out soon enough when the real benchmarks come out :) But I just cant imagine triple shader power in the ATI cards nets you such small gains of just a few percent..that'd be odd.

Also found this interesting from Hexus

the x3 ALU's won't give a huge gain, around 35% in most cases. Even though ATi will be decreasing thier ALU bottleneck, there are other bottlenecks, like bandwidth. This will give ATi a nice jump forward over exsisting chips, but they still won't be more efficient in shaders then nV (per clock) IMO. ATi will be on top with AA and AF on, since thier memory controller is more efficient.
 

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mad_mod said:
i find it kind of disturbing that crossfire with 2 1900's supposedly only adds 2k more points to the previous score of 11k with a single card


CPU bottleneck ;)
 

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Yeah, the CPU thing makes this entire issue null and void. It's about like the reviews that put an overclocked Dotan vs an FX53 and said "Intel > AMD!!!111!" Lame. With both Catalyst and Forceware taking advantage of SMP systems, dual-core vs single core is a much bigger issue now. By giving nVidia an FX60 (arguably the best CPU out there) and giving ATI a "paltry" FX57 nVidia is at a huge advantage.

Bear in mind I am hardcore nVidia if you are going to flame me for being a fanATIc.

Give me a review with both systems identical except for the GPUs and that will be different, until then can we get a lock here?
 

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Yeah, the CPU thing makes this entire issue null and void. It's about like the reviews that put an overclocked Dotan vs an FX53 and said "Intel > AMD!!!111!" Lame. With both Catalyst and Forceware taking advantage of SMP systems, dual-core vs single core is a much bigger issue now. By giving nVidia an FX60 (arguably the best CPU out there) and giving ATI a "paltry" FX57 nVidia is at a huge advantage.

Bear in mind I am hardcore nVidia if you are going to flame me for being a fanATIc.

Give me a review with both systems identical except for the GPUs and that will be different, until then can we get a lock here?


Nope nV does better with thier duel core drivers. ATi doesn't get much extra with thier duel core drivers if at all. So benching ATi on a Fx-57 which is actually clocked higher then a Fx60 will be the other way around more of + for ATi.
 

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Its dual. duel is a fight. dee yooo ay el.
Anyway, that's just dumb. I don't think they have tested either, and they need to do so on a common platform, in any case.
 

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eno-on said:
Its dual. duel is a fight. dee yooo ay el.
Anyway, that's just dumb. I don't think they have tested either, and they need to do so on a common platform, in any case.

True
 

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razor1 said:
Nope nV does better with thier duel core drivers. ATi doesn't get much extra with thier duel core drivers if at all. So benching ATi on a Fx-57 which is actually clocked higher then a Fx60 will be the other way around more of + for ATi.
This is a useless conversation. The fx60 was clocked at 2.8, which is the same speed the fx57 was running. This means that, in a cpu bottlenecked situation (like when you are using the best cards on the planet) the fx60 will generally be better (with nvidia's supposedly dual core optimized drivers). Until we see released hardware running on the same cpu this discussion is pointless.
 

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This is a useless conversation. The fx60 was clocked at 2.8, which is the same speed the fx57 was running. This means that, in a cpu bottlenecked situation (like when you are using the best cards on the planet) the fx60 will generally be better (with nvidia's supposedly dual core optimized drivers). Until we see released hardware running on the same cpu this discussion is pointless.


Not really come on the duel core drivers give nV how much? 200 points, not a huge increase. nV will have absolutely have no issue surpassing ATi speed wise, the only part they might get with thier pants down is IQ points, possible branching speed (don't think they will lose either of these those, since they know they are getting killed by ATi on these features). Its pretty obvious the g70 shader pipelines are much much more effcient then ATi's r520, and possible a bit more efficient per clock over the r580 with the supposed leaked Fear numbers.
 

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razor1 said:
CPU bottleneck ;)

QFT!

Thats what I'm thinking with all the top end cards grouped together between 10k - 13k!

They need to do a non-standard test, like apply 4x AA & 8x AF, to help spread the cards out.
 

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Hexus is usually inconsistent, they do benchmarks and you have to watch them closely. I can't count the many times I've seen their reviews and noticed they are using obsolete drivers that have a major performance difference or that one rig had ddr 500 and the bus at 250 or so and the other had ddr 400. Sometimes diffeent CPU's Then take into account that they dont usually go into specifics of their IQ settings.

Also who cares about 3dmark 05, I can't remember the last time I fragged something or got fragged in the battle of proxycon. :D
 

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razor1 said:
Not really come on the duel core drivers give nV how much?
you just don't care, do you?

Digital Viper-X- said:
you know there is no price on the 7900 because u wont ever be able to buy one!
It is rather amsuing that people are now pissed at nVidia after their 'phantom edition', considering that nV was the company that actually hard-launched last summer. I guess people's memories are really short, or the supposed loyalty is only strong for a limited time.
 

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you just don't care, do you?


It is rather amusing that people are now pissed at nVidia after their 'phantom edition', considering that nV was the company that actually hard-launched last summer. I guess people's memories are really short, or the supposed loyalty is only strong for a limited time.


Sorry for the typo, no I don't really care, but don't aspect miracles from either side, they will do what they do best better and cover weakness as much as they can.
 

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razor1 said:
Its not as fun to talk about cards that are out ;)
It's much more fun to talk about things we know nothing about.
We might as well be bitching about the advantages of warp drive vs hyperdrive. :rolleyes:
 

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jebo_4jc said:
It's much more fun to talk about things we know nothing about.
We might as well be bitching about the advantages of warp drive vs hyperdrive. :rolleyes:

If ya want to talk about that I'm all ears ;)
Well you might not know anything about, but so far educated guesses haven't hurt anyone,

BTW I don't think the 512 GTX is going to be MIA for very much longer, Dell no longer has delays on shipment with these cards (from two weeks back went from 16 days, to last week 1 day, this week no delay)
 

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Until ATI gets rid of the Master Card + Dongle thing, I don't see Crossfire as anything more than a novelty. They have taken so much flak over it's delay and problems and it does not look to be selling very well. They should have just focused on their single cards and developed a better engineered solution to release when ready.

I hear this may happen with the R600 so maybe this will work its self out by the end of the year.
 

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The 7900 "demolishes" the crossfire setup being 500 points behind, yet the crossfire cards "barely beat" a 512MB SLI setup being *1300* points ahead of them? :rolleyes:
 

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OP said:
Futuremark 3DMark 05

ATi RADEON X1900 XT 512MB CrossFire (625MHz VPU / 1450MHz GDDR-3) (not XTX) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
13,501 3DMarks for $1098 (£622.01)

NVIDIA GeForce 7900 512MB (700MHz GPU / 1800MHz GDDR-3 (not GDDR-3+) (AMD A64 FX-60 2.8GHz)
~13,000 3DMarks (?)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 512MB SLi (550MHz GPU / 1200MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
12,200 3DMarks for $1,439.61 (£815.58)

ATi RADEON X1800 XT 512MB CrossFire (625MHz VPU / 1500MHz GDDR-3) (MESH Computers TITAN X1800 FIRE - AMD A64 X2 4600+ 2.4GHz)
12,050 3DMarks for $1071.16 (£606.78)

ATi RADEON X1900 XTX 512MB (650MHz VPU / 1550MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
11,149 3DMarks for $649 (£367.67)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 512MB (580MHz VPU / 1703MHz GDDR-3) (ARMARI Pantheon-FX-2.8GHz)
10,062 3DMarks

ATi RADEON X1900 XT 512MB (625MHz VPU / 1450MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
~10,000 3DMarks for $549 (£311.04)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 512MB (550MHz GPU / 1700MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
9,608 3DMarks for $719.81 (£407.79)

ATi RADEON X1800 XT 512MB (625MHz VPU / 1500MHz GDDR-3) (AMD A64 FX-57 2.8GHz)
9,271 3DMarks for $535.56 (£303.39)

ATi RADEON X1800 XT 512MB (625MHz VPU / 1500MHz GDDR-3) (MESH Computers TITAN X1800 FIRE - AMD A64 X2 4600+ 2.4GHz)
8,544 3DMarks
Since when did the GeForce 7800 GTX 512 lose 500MHz of its memory speed? Last time I checked, its RAM speed was 850 x 2 (that's the Double Data Rate) = 1700 MHz effective. I'm telling y'all, Hexus is full of shit! Don't trust anything they say on that stupid site. :mad:
 

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drizzt81 said:
or the supposed loyalty is only strong for a limited time.
Brand loyalty will only bite you in the ass. They are both big companies out for one thing, your money. Buying and supporting the better product that is currently available, generation to generation whichever is the best at the time that you are ready to buy, is the only way you can win as a cosumer.

Just because ATI stomped nVidia back with the 9700PRO which I owned, doesn't mean they are still the best buy right now.

Or that since the drivers sucked for ATI during the 8500 era means that you should only buy nvidia now....
 
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The question amrk is because they don't know how much it will cost but seriously anyone could of amde a mock up like this using google and picking any number combination they want
 

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My ass, if I had one, does 40000 3dmarks. I know, cause I went into the future where I saw myself WITH my ass, telling me that If I ran 3dmark, it would score 40k 3dmarks.
So there.
Again, this is dumb. They haven't run jack shit of the 1900 or 7900, I'd bet my (nonexistant) ass.
 

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CHAoS_NiNJA said:
Neither of these cards are out yet, why are you compairing them!?

Glad to know everyone still believes everything they read on the internet.

Its also good to know everyones still playing my favorite game, 3dMark05. I can't wait until xfire supports it.

This is what happens on these forums every generation. If I see just before the release of these cards (if they come out which i'm very much doubting) another wave of flamers that tears this forum apart, i'm not coming back. It really just ruins this environment. I'm glad Douglite is on top of his game. He's one of the best mods i've seen lately regulating and keeping things controlled.

It's not just me. AtomicMoose, Dr. Evil, fugu, and p[H]ant0m are around as well. Maybe I'm the most visible, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm accomplishing the most. Also, everybody who follows the [thread=760666]Rules[/thread] help "keep things controlled." Carry on. - DougLite
 
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