3D and Curved Screen TVs Fade Away

Dekoth-E- said:
Stupid gimmick is Stupid. It doesn't and hasn't made any movie better ever.
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Enjoyment of media is subjective; if you don't like 3D you don't like it. I like it in the theatre, but admit that subjectively to me it is usually gimmicky and usually doesn't add anything to the story itself. That having been said, Doctor Strange was a damn good 3D movie and I think that 3D really did give an added weight to many scenes.
 
Curved screens are only good when it's 1 viewer and you are very close to a very large screen. The minute you add 2 people, or put the screen far enough away from you, the whole experience becomes pointless.

3D will never catch on when glasses are still required. It will only become a real thing once they can give real 3D perception without needing to put something extra on your face.
 
Xrave said:
3D will never catch on when glasses are still required. It will only become a real thing once they can give real 3D perception without needing to put something extra on your face.
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Far more importantly, to gain widespread acceptance 3D (preferably passive, even if it requires glasses) needs to be a feature in every TV. Making it a premium option means that only people who want it will spend the extra money to get it. The same applies to HDR and any other TV feature you might name. The reason 1080p is pretty much standard is because you now have to go out of your way to get a TV with a lower resolution.
 
I used a Samsung LS34E790CNS/ZA at a client/friend's house and immediately fell in love with it. The curved screen kept me from slightly refocusing when I turned my head. To note, I wear glasses.
 
3D never took off like many thought it would, at least on the home content space. Example, DirecTv had a 3D channel, its gone now. Its sad to see manufacturers throw in the towel on 3D. Hopefully at least one or two tv makers continue to develop 3D, when done well, the results are spectacular. Seems though people are fine wearing 3d glasses in the movie theater, by and large they don't want to do the same at home.

Curved TV's were a silly idea, but I like 34"+ curved screen monitors. I did toy with idea of getting a curved 4k TV and using it as my monitor.
 
Stimpy88 said:
I think you are coming from the right place, but I could not imagine just how bad it would be to have 2 small monitors curved like a bowl, sitting next to each other on my desk...

You really need 2 setups for a home setup. You need to separate your normal desktop based stuff from your entertainment based stuff.

A good setup would be a very large (for immersion) 4K HDR ultrawide for entertainment, and then standard large flat monitor(s) for everything else.
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They are mounted to a dual arm and curved out, basically like a bowl. It is nice because I don't have to move my head to go from the far end of one monitor to the other. Honestly these are beautiful monitors, much better than my old AOC that I had from about 4 years ago.
 
It really depend on how you want to use them. If you want to use the TV as "background", like on one end of your living room and watch it from wherever... Then flat screens are far better.
If you want to watch TV, and are sitting the correct distance away (close enough for the image to fill your whole view without having to move your head.. That twice the horizontal distance was only because of 240p TV broadcast). When I had my movie theatre set up in my apartment we had a 76" diagonal screen and sat approximately 6' away from the screen. In our case a curved screen would have been perfect.

So yeah, to some curved is a gimmick because they don't use it that way... To others it would be great. And it only causes distortion if you are not sitting in the correct place.
For my living room we have a Sony Bravia that is around 55" and for my theatre (when I finally get around to building it) will have something like a 120" curved screen and a 4K projector.

Edit: I would absolutely LOVE to have something like a curved 40" 4K monitor
 
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Stimpy88 said:
Then what's the point?
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Engineering-wise, a curved screen can be made stiff with a lot less material -- the screen is crazy light.
View-wise, I do notice the flatness of my 34" 4K monitor, which obviously sits a lot closer. So not noticing the curve is a plus.

The problem with the LG 65" OLED (OLED65C6P) is that it's hard for me to imagine ever needing to upgrade it. Kind of like PC processors in that respect. :)
Well, another problem is that all my DVDs are a little annoying to watch on a 65" set at 2 meters.

The passive 3D on LG OLEDs is incredible, BTW, the circular polarization means you can lie your side and still get great 3D.
But so far only Avatar really shows it off. For most content, I'd rather watch 4K HDR than HD 3D.
 
Morden said:
3D never took off like many thought it would, at least on the home content space.
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Most 3D content, the 3D is an annoyance, not a feature, even in theaters. Only Avatar got it right, in my experience.
 
Don't have a 3D set, but I'm sad to see them go. With 4k and faster refresh rates, I can imagine them being more watchable and I doubt there's a lot of extra cost involved (other than the glasses themselves). The problem is, that there's not much content and much of that isn't worth getting in 3D. I think a lot of the animated stuff as well as things like Avatar are worth it, but not much else. That said, I can live without it. I don't get Curved screens at all, especially for OLED TVs.
 
Curved screens outside maybe monitors were always pointless.

Main factor being, and this is especially true with 3D, is the size of the screens.

3D on my 55 inch DLP from back in the day from ~10 feet away? Alright...I guess. Sometime stuff seemed to pop and what not...meh.

3D on my 120 inch projector ~12 feet away? Fucking incredible. Especially when we're, obviously, talking about well done 3D movies. Really makes owning and using 3D worth it.

Same is true with curved screens. They're awesome at IMAX because they're massive and actually wrap around your field of vision. A curved TV, even at 60-70 inches, just isn't big enough to notice at most sitting distances.

It's not that the technologies are bad, they're there and have been successful for decades (again look at IMAX 3D). It's that on the consumer level these just aren't viable technologies given the common limitations of TV sizes. If you aren't sitting close up (monitor) or aren't using projection then, yeah, I can see why they're dying in the TV space.

Just my two cents!
 
pcgeekesq said:
Most 3D content, the 3D is an annoyance, not a feature, even in theaters. Only Avatar got it right, in my experience.
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If you have 3D available I'd say to give "The Adventures of Tintin" a watch. I know it's CGI but some of the scenes...man...incredible 3D film and great movie in general.
 
Gimmick and gimmick.
Now, UHD and HDR, that's more important.
 
Mut1ny said:
If you have 3D available I'd say to give "The Adventures of Tintin" a watch. I know it's CGI...
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I have TinTin. I watched TinTin. The 3D was distracting, but then the movie was boring, so I guess it was easy to be distracted.

Avatar is CGI too by the way. CGI has much greater potential for 3D than live work: CGI is all modeled in 3D anyway, so you just have to pick your POV, focus distance, and depth of field, all of which can be anything you like and all of which can change at any time, as fluidly as you like. Watch the focus depth changes in Avatar and you'll see what I mean: the put the focus depth on what they figure you'll be looking at, anticipating what your eye will do.
 
The movie studios killed 3d, not the consumer.

They consistently just added shitty post production 3d effects to a 2d film, rather than actually filming in 3d. You ended up with with just a bunch of distractions in the movie, and given a choice, most people chose the 2d showings.

It goes without saying, that if you preferred the 2d version in the theater, you weren't going to buy a bunch of 3d gear for your house.

Movies that were actually filmed in 3d were far superior, and it added a huge level of immersion. You didn't really even notice it was 3d, but still felt like you were there. If this would have been the norm, I think home adoption would have been much higher.
 
I love 3d but they have got to ditch the glasses. They need to make "Zebra Imaging" like 3d but with animation. Google it it's amazing stuff.
 
3D have been dead a long time. Curved have also been dead for a long time, besides Samsung stubborn trying to hold onto it. They never sold above 5% here.
 
My TV came with 3D and some glasses. It was an extra feature - bundled in, no additional costs. I tried a few 3D movies, 3D porn, etc. It wasn't great, wearing glasses was annoying, ... 3d porn was a little disturbing. Now, I have no clue where my glasses are at. Haven't touched them in a few years. Doubtful I will ever wear the glasses again.
 
pcgeekesq said:
Most 3D content, the 3D is an annoyance, not a feature, even in theaters. Only Avatar got it right, in my experience.
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Avatar is the only one that got it right and even getting it right it added nothing to the film. I've watched it both ways and honestly it just adds so little to the experience that the nusance of the glasses renders it moot. This is why I stick to my original statement that I've held for years. In that 3d adds absolutely no intrinsic value to any film. It doesn't tell the story better, it doesn't help with the immersion and honestly just serves to be a bigger distraction than anything. No film has ever overwhelmingly benefited from being 3d and no film or game will ever overwhelmingly benefit from being 3d. I'm sorry if that hurts the feelings of those who feel they need to defend it because they invested in it.
 
hahaha...I sit 2 feet away from my curved 48" and it rocks...the curve does what it is supposed to do...your little flat 27's blow...even with 144hz...there are 2 34" ultra wide curves and 1 38" ultra wide curve in use here also and they all perform as expected.
 
I wonder if their are any advantages to curved lenses for VR? Maybe helping with peripheral vision, and such while warping around the face?
 
Hellstoaster said:
As a TV I'd agree they are just a gimmick. I checked out a Samsung curved TV at Best Buy and then bought a Sony Bravia. I can't understand why anyone would want a curved TV.
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Because when you walk into Costco and look at the 4K curved screens, you are standing about three feet from it and it looks amazing. Curved screens are perfect up close right from the center, but they are actually a NEGATIVE feature when you're ten feet away and have multiple people viewing the TV from angles off center.

By the time people have it hung on their wall, they are usually too lazy to return it, but won't buy another.
 
Hellstoaster said:
Has anyone used a curved screen as a PC monitor? When I first saw them I thought that might be the only useful application. Perhaps an ultrawide that curved around to fill your periphery.

As a TV I'd agree they are just a gimmick. I checked out a Samsung curved TV at Best Buy and then bought a Sony Bravia. I can't understand why anyone would want a curved TV.
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Love mine. But the whole curved thing is great sitting so close using it for a monitor, but it was not a make or break thing. Flat would be just fine. I think the whole thing is a gimmick and using this for a TV, the curve would be of no value once you get 5 feet from the display IMO.
 
UrielDagda said:
3D comes and goes every time. Especially when makes people barf.
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Carnival rides make some people barf. Just like with 3D, most people do not. And honestly, if many are getting sick, it's a sign that the DP screwed up. I recall reading about Real 3D working with U2 for their 3D movie several years ago and they apparently did a lot of experiments to find out how to shoot, because fast movement (and perhaps fast cuts...don't remember) can cause nausea with 3D.

Personally, I think the biggest problem is that far too many movies don't have the brightness adjusted for 3D. Avatar was an exception.
 
If I ever move up to a big (40"+) 4K TV to use as a monitor, I think the curve could be beneficial. For TV, nah.
 
Ok. My thoughts on the matter are... 3D is a gimmick. It always has been. It's nice to have on a TV but I sure as hell am not going to pay extra for the 3D content. If it has it, it has it. The curved TV (I have the 15 LG OLED 55EG9600) I'm about 5-6ft from it and play games and it doesn't bother me one bit. I would say that it adds to immersion but not enough to go out of your way to get it. I only use my TV for games and the occasional episode from hulu/netflix or movies. So I'm not watching cable tv on it for hours on end.
 
nilepez said:
Carnival rides make some people barf. Just like with 3D, most people do not. And honestly, if many are getting sick, it's a sign that the DP screwed up. I recall reading about Real 3D working with U2 for their 3D movie several years ago and they apparently did a lot of experiments to find out how to shoot, because fast movement (and perhaps fast cuts...don't remember) can cause nausea with 3D.

Personally, I think the biggest problem is that far too many movies don't have the brightness adjusted for 3D. Avatar was an exception.
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They finally stopped using things shooting out of the screen to "WOW" the viewer. It seems 3D has gotten... classier. At least with more recent movies.
 
I never even thought this would stick around to begin with. It had "just a fad" written all over it.
 
Curved only makes sense when sitting in front of a very large screen from a relatively short distance. 12' from a 60": TV is not it. I don't mind 3D in some situations but it's not a big draw for me.

I am glad to see manufacturers embracing 4k, HDR and OLED. I am hopeful in a number of years that true 4k chip projectors will be available at reasonable prices. The current $10k PJ's are not. I'm not interested in Faux 4k if I'm spending $3k on a PJ.
 
I'e got three curved TV's. On my computer, I like the curve of the 49" display. Its immersive and up close I don't even think about the curve. On the 65" in the media room I don't really have any feelings about it either way. Its large enough that I don't notice the curve. I moved my old 48" Samsung JU6700 to the living room after getting the 49" KS8500. I can't stand the curve on it in the living room. If you sit off center from it the view is terrible.
 
I don't mind 3D in a theater. Whatever technology they're using has never been duplicated at home...at least not at the typical consumer TV price-point. Had they captured that at home, I would have been on that train without issue. The closest I can remember required massive uncomfortable glasses with batteries and even then you had to be sitting perfectly straight.
 
Samsung hasn't dropped their curved model line up at all. Well, I say that and at the same time I remember a Best Buy guy telling me Samsung was only going to sell curved TVs for 2017 and that doesn't seem to be the case. But curved displays are definitely in their lineup for TVs and Monitors.

And I just bought an Acer X34 that is a 21:9 curved display and I should get it in a few days. Of course, support for curved displays is immaterial to me, it's 21:9 I am hoping gets increased interest and support from developers.
 
I love my 3D capable TV. I play 3D games on my PS3, watch the 3D movies, and I'm disappointed that the 3D Movies lately are only coming out standard in retail, if I want one I have to order offline.
Do I watch Every 3D movie in 3D? No, just the ones that look good.
 
I never got the deal with curved TVs, but I am a true believer in properly done 3D after getting an LG OLED. It's gorgeous. Really glad I didn't wait for the 2017 model.
 
Domingo said:
I don't mind 3D in a theater. Whatever technology they're using has never been duplicated at home...at least not at the typical consumer TV price-point. Had they captured that at home, I would have been on that train without issue. The closest I can remember required massive uncomfortable glasses with batteries and even then you had to be sitting perfectly straight.
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I don't know about "massive", but they are battery powered, and work well with the Epson 3500 projector I bought.

IMO, you need a big-ol' projector image to get that theater effect, and the projector needs to be very bright because the glasses reduce brightness in half.
 
Curved monitors are gross. Whether it's for gaming, movie or desktop use, it would bother me to no end to see straight lines in application UI's or objects in games being distorted. No designer or director makes anything to be projected on curved screens.
 
777 said:
Curved monitors are gross. Whether it's for gaming, movie or desktop use, it would bother me to no end to see straight lines in application UI's or objects in games being distorted. No designer or director makes anything to be projected on curved screens.
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Well, let's just say that since I just charged a nice sum to my card for an Acer X34, I am hoping / betting that you are overly concerned when it comes to curved 21:9 monitors.
 
3D isnt always bad, Its alot of fun to play some games in 3D on my 100" projector lol
 
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