36" to 44" 4K Roundup

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36-44" 4K Roundup. Green dots indicate models with known acceptable lag and no-PWM.

Acer ET430K - 43", 18ms lag?, some image retention reported
AMH A399U - 39" VA, PWM
AMH 409U - 40" VA
•AOC C4008VU8 - 40" VA, non-PWM, 14ms lag, curved
Crossover 404K - 40" VA, non-PWM
•Crossover 434K - 43" IPS, non-PWM, 19.7ms lag, FreeSync, semi-glossy
Dell P4317Q - 43" IPS, 27.5ms lag, PWM
Hitachi LU43V809 - 43", PWM
Hisense 43H7C - 43", text garbled
Hisense 43H6D - 43", text garbled
Iiyama LE4041UHS-B1 - 40" VA, PWM, ~50ms lag?
Iiyama X4071UHSU-B1 - 40" VA, PWM, 24ms lag
LG 40UB800 - 40" VA, 60ms lag, not 4:4:4
LG 42UB820 - 42", probably high lag
LG 40UF770 - 40", probably high lag
LG 43UF7600 - 43" IPS, 55.5ms lag
LG 43UD79-B - 43" IPS, PWM, 21ms lag?
LG UJ6300 - 43" IPS, 11.4ms lag, PWM, semi-glossy
MicroBoard B400 - 40" VA, FreeSync, ~50ms lag
Panasonic CX700 - 40" VA, 38ms lag
Philips BDM4065UC - 40" VA, PWM, 20ms lag
•Philips BDM4037UW - 40" VA, non-PWM, 11.4ms lag
Philips BDM4350UC - 43" IPS, non-PWM, 28ms lag
Samsung JU6500 - 40", PWM, 48ms lag
Samsung JU6700 - 40", PWM, 44ms lag, curved
Samsung JU7100 - 40", PWM, 44ms lag
Samsung JU7500 - 40", PWM, 36ms lag, curved
Samsung KS7500 - 43", PWM?, 38ms lag
Samsung KU6300 - 40/43", PWM, 37ms lag
Samsung KU7000 - 40/43", PWM, 37ms lag
Samsung KU7500 - 43", PWM, 37ms lag
Samsung UN40MU6300 - 40" VA, 21ms lag, PWM
Samsung UN43MU6300 - 43" VA, 21ms lag, PWM
Samsung UN40HU6950 - 40", not 4:4:4
Sceptre U435CV-UMC - 43", not 4:4:4
Seiki SE39UY04 - 4K@30Hz, 1080p120
Seiki SM40UNP - 40" VA, PWM, semi-glossy
Sharp LC-43N6100U - [no info available]
•Sony KD43X720E - 43" IPS, non-PWM, 18.7ms lag, semi-glossy
Sony XBR43X800E - 43", 35ms lag
Sony XBR43X800D - 43" VA, 35.3ms lag, non-PWM
Sony XBR43X830C - 43" IPS, 37ms lag, 4:4:4 with firmware
TLC 43S405 - 43" VA, PWM, 15ms lag
Vizio M43-C1 - 43", not 4:4:4
Vizio D43-E2 - 43", 46ms lag
Vizio E43u-D2 - 43", 39ms lag, PWM
Vizio E43-E2 - 43", 29ms lag
Viewsonic VX4380-4K - 43" IPS, [no other info available]
Wasabi Mango U400 - 40" VA, no Displayport
Wasabi Mango UHD400 - 40" VA
Wasabi Mango UHD420 - 42" IPS, non-PWM, FreeSync, mediocre color presets, plasma coating
Wasabi Mango UHD430 - 43" IPS, ~60ms lag?
 
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If i'm not wrong then the Philips BDM4065UC and the Crossover 404K should have an input lag around 20ms.
 
This is awesome. I'm going to be buying myself a 404k here in a few weeks. Can't wait!
 
Don't forget the 43" LG 43UF7600. No idea on PWM or input lag, but I'm pretty fond of mine. It does 4:4:4 4k on 2 of the HDMI 2.0 inputs, and it's glossy and flat.
 
>Doesn't the crossover 434k have freesync too?
Not yet.

>Why no 48s? At 4k this is the ideal res
Because that's not the focus of this thread! And 48" can be too big as a monitor.

>If i'm not wrong then the Philips BDM4065UC and the Crossover 404K should have an input lag around 20ms.
Source please? This says 9ms for the Philips.

>Are you sure Sony XBR43X830C can do 4:4:4?
Thanks; fixed.
 
Seriously, requested by mail? Why hasn't someone just posted it online yet.
 
wyem said:
Why no 48s? At 4k this is the ideal res
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No it's not. The range the OP stated is more realistic than a 48" "monitor"

1. Most people don't have a desk large enough to fit a 48" monitor
2. 48" computer monitor is more of a giant blinding HDTV in your face and not a monitor
3. Most people don't want to turn their head physically to see everything on the screen
4. The pixel pitch is more like a 27" 1080p monitor and not a 1440p one many of us came from

I'm sure the 48" Samsung cultists will beg to differ. Btw, all the Samsung monitors you have listed up with PWM? all have PWM and a very bad PWM at that. I know from experience and prior ownership.
 
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zzz said:
>Doesn't the crossover 434k have freesync too?
>If i'm not wrong then the Philips BDM4065UC and the Crossover 404K should have an input lag around 20ms.
Source please? This says 9ms for the Philips.
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Response Time and Input Lag are two different things. :D
 
Hey guys which of these displays is the best for pro 3d work? I am using dual 30" Samsung 305t (both of which are fixed by me, thanks to the famous 305t thread here) for so many years and they are really good.

Should I be looking into these 40+" 4K displays? If my calculations are right, a 44" 4K display won't need any special hi-DPI treatment from the app vendors and will look just as readable as my Samsung 305t (2560x1600)? So I imagine 40+" displays will be similar since they are pretty close to 44"?

Beyond 44", I assume things will start to look bigger just like using 1080p on large displays like 40". Is this correct?

Will freesync which is all the rage now, work with nvidia? I saw linus on youtube said no, but I know a lot of people use nvidia cards, no?

Also what's 4:4:4?

Are there upcoming new displays on the horizon we should hold out for? I would prefer a matte display like Samsung 305t if possible as these above displays seem glossy/hi-glossy.


Cheers :)
 
Seyumi said:
4. The pixel pitch is more like a 27" 1080p monitor and not a 1440p one many of us came from.
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A 48" 4K monitor will have the same pixel pitch as a 24" 1080p monitor.. 24 x 2 = 48.

OP evidently set the bar at less than 48" because they are looking for higher PPI than the de facto standard 24" 1080p monitor.
 
evilsofa said:
OP evidently set the bar at less than 48" because they are looking for higher PPI than the de facto standard 24" 1080p monitor.
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More importantly, >44" is less practical for a monitor unless you sit far away from it, because you wouldn't be able to see the edges.
 
Dell and HP need to get off their lazy butts and make a 4K (3840x2160) or 5K (5120x2880), 36-44," IPS, 60+ Hz, sRGB computer monitor with all the appropriate MODERN inputs and controls and a hardware calibration unit included and people will eat it up.

4K = $1500. (36-40")
5K = $2300. (40-44")

Take my $2300 HP/Dell. TAKE IT. I beg you. Give us a monitor we NEEEEEEEEEED.
 
Thank you for this list. Can you edit in a google doc so others can add?
 
Nicholars said:
Why did you put 36-44"? All the screens are 39-43", otherwise good work!
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36-44" is the segment, and it's a growing list. Also someone might be ok with a 38", and then would see a 39-43" thread and think it doesn't cover everything he could use ;)
 
kindasmart said:
Dell and HP need to get off their lazy butts and make a 4K (3840x2160) or 5K (5120x2880), 36-44," IPS, 60+ Hz, sRGB computer monitor with all the appropriate MODERN inputs and controls and a hardware calibration unit included and people will eat it up.

4K = $1500. (36-40")
5K = $2300. (40-44")

Take my $2300 HP/Dell. TAKE IT. I beg you. Give us a monitor we NEEEEEEEEEED.
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Depends on the DPI you want... In reality a 50" 5K monitor would be the same DPI as the 404K/Phillips. At 40" it would be nearly 125DPi, which would require scaling, for sure.

Scaling isnt too bad, but 1: it reduces usable desktop space and 2: most software applications don't handle it well.

If by chance we lived in a world with PERFECT scaling, a 5K monitor at 24 inches would be so high-definition at normal viewing distance that the human eye could not differentiate pixels. That said, in modern OS environments with imperfect scaling, the text would be so tiny that it would be impossible to read, or the software would be scaled like trash.

The Sweet spot of 100-110 DPi is perfect for modern Windows and software, so a 5K monitor would do well to be at least 48" or larger.
 
Yes you could buy a 64k 1700PPI screen with 132 megapixels resolution... But half of windows would still look complete crap because of the scaling lol.
 
I have a Sony 43" X830C at the moment and can't honestly recommend it as a monitor for a few reasons.

First, it has poor black levels, even for an IPS screen. I'm coming from a 26" 1920x1200 Planar PX2611w that was IPS with moderately heavy anti-glare coating and is many years old, so I was expecting a big improvement in black levels and contrast. Not VA level blacks like my former 24" Soyo DYLM24D6, but better. The Sony is the same as the Planar, maybe even worse in some conditions. The size of the screen and my close seating position also means that IPS glow is very noticeable in all 4 corners if the displayed picture is dark.

Second, current firmware leads to random crashes, but is required for 4:4:4 4K@60Hz to function. The screen will blank, the Sony logo comes up, the power light turns off and back on, and it goes through the full boot up routine with the swirling dots and Android logo. I've been told this may be due to a bad cable buy have my doubts, as sometimes it will crash immediately after startup while switching from the default "smart TV homescreen" to a HDMI input -- same thing, Sony logo and full boot, which takes a good 45 seconds and is incredibly annoying to say the least. Certainly not what I expect from a $800 piece of hardware.

Input lag isn't bad in practice, and when it's working it's not a /bad/ monitor, but considering it costs $200+ more than any other competitors in this price range locally available to me, it's a hard sell to say the least.


These two reasons alone are why I'm likely to switch it out for either:

Samsung JU6500, which apparently has worse PWM but should have better colors being a VA panel and gets similar blur and slightly better input lag (26ms) ratings under "game" mode, while maintaining 4:4:4 4K@60Hz for desktop use.

Vizio M43-C1, which loses me 4:4:4 4K@60Hz, but can still do it at 30Hz which is fine for desktop use. It also cuts input lag down to around 19ms, almost unheard of for a 4K TV, but gives me worse blur -- this is what I'm most worried about. The biggest upside here is the price difference -- trading the Sony for a Vizio, I could pick up a PS4 and Bloodborne, something I've been meaning to do for a while. Granted, I don't really want any other PS4 exclusive games right now so it's probably not worth it, given Dark Souls 3 comes out on PC as well.


At this point I suspect I'll trade the Sony for a Vizio, discover I hate the blur on the Vizio and am unhappy with the loss of 4:4:4 4K@60Hz, and end up picking up a Samsung JU6500 or JU7100.
 
Is the Crossover 494k comparable to the 434k? Is it also IPS? Does it have similar lag? I know the focus of this thread is on the 36-44" screens, but I can't seem to find any good info on the larger Crossover and it is the one I'm interested in. I want slightly less PPI and slightly more readability than my 2560x1600 30"

After reading some of the OCN thread it looks like the 49" has flicker problems that have been ongoing for some time
 
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silent-circuit said:
I have a Sony 43" X830C at the moment and can't honestly recommend it as a monitor for a few reasons.
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Guessing you're using it with the brightness cranked in a dark room from too close of a distance. This panel needs to be viewed from 90cm/3ft away to avoid seeing the shadowing in the corners, as well as glow if the brightness isn't cranked and one has decent room lighting. Try lowering the brightness and using it with a bias light (light placed behind the display; a 2600 lumen Daylight/6500k CFL works nicely with brightness up to 140cdm/2) with no other lights to eliminate reflections, hide glow and vastly increase the perceived black depth. VA panel gamma shift prevents them from displaying colours as vibrantly and accurately as AHVA/IPS/PLS.

QuiteSufficient said:
Is the Crossover 494k comparable to the 434k? Is it also IPS?
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The 494K uses an IPS panel, but the 434K is still the only large 4K Korean monitor which has been properly tested.
 
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NCX said:
Guessing you're using it with the brightness cranked in a dark room from too close of a distance. This panel needs to be viewed from 90cm/3ft away to avoid seeing the shadowing in the corners, as well as glow if the brightness isn't cranked and one has decent room lighting. Try lowering the brightness and using it with a bias light (light placed behind the display; a 2600 lumen Daylight/6500k CFL works nicely with brightness up to 140cdm/2) with no other lights to eliminate reflections, hide glow and vastly increase the perceived black depth. VA panel gamma shift prevents them from displaying colours as vibrantly and accurately as AHVA/IPS/PLS.
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I appreciate the suggestion and I'll give it a try, but honestly the crashing issue I'm having is so frustrating that I'll probably return the Sony regardless. It's not just me -- several sites that reviewed it found that contrast and black levels were sub-par even after using a hardware calibrator.

I'm looking hard at the BenQ BL3201PH 32" IPS 4K monitor, but am afraid it will feel too small after the 43" Sony. Still, losing the size in exchange for better response times may well be worth it.
 
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whatever you do, do not trade the sony for a vizio. i had m43 and it is not suitable for monitor use. it is far too blurry. no matter what i did i couldnt get a sharp picture from it. im currently using a ju6500 and even in game mode its a much crisper picture than the vizio.
 
NCX said:
The 494K uses an IPS panel, but the 434K is still the only large 4K Korean monitor which has been properly tested.
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I watched your very informative youtube review on the 434k today and ended up buying one on eBay. I am sure I will post back with my take, but I am quite optimistic after your video.
 
shredmonster said:
whatever you do, do not trade the sony for a vizio. i had m43 and it is not suitable for monitor use. it is far too blurry. no matter what i did i couldnt get a sharp picture from it. im currently using a ju6500 and even in game mode its a much crisper picture than the vizio.
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Thanks for the input, and saving me a ~3 hour round trip drive to go get an open-box M43-C1 from Charlotte, NC.

The JU6500 is the other set on my short list, as far as what I could get locally -- I'll probably exchange the X830C for it later today.

The blur reported in various reviews of the Vizio had me worried, but I was tempted by that crazy fast 19ms of input lag and the excellent contrast numbers, plus getting local dimming for less money than the Samsung (which I understand doesn't have it at all)... If you're saying the blur is that bad I'll just skip the M series.

Considering I'm doing OK with the ~36ms of lag on the Sony (though I still sometimes feel it) the 26.5ms from the JU6500 shouldn't be a problem. Closer to double what I'm used to, not triple. I'd like to grab a JU7100 as it's got a little better blur (~13ms vs ~16ms) and about the same input lag, but can't justify the price premium over the JU6500.

As far as the Vizio goes, It's frustrating cause the blur is clearly caused by overdrive pushing too hard, based on all that overshoot -- if there was a setting to disable or at least reduce the overdrive I bet the M would still be a very responsive set, and a much better monitor. VA panels generally don't handle heavy overdrive well -- inverse ghosting is nasty, I know it well from my time with the Soyo DYLM24D6. The whole "no 4:4:4" outside 4K@30Hz, useless outside the desktop, had me worried about the M series anyway, so I won't be crying over it. Guess it's "new mouse and keyboard" not "new PS4." Ah well -- it's almost Christmas. ;)
 
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