2017 WCG X-mas Race

Discussion in 'Distributed Computing' started by Gilthanis, Nov 23, 2017.

  1. Gilthanis

    Gilthanis [H]ard|DCer of the Year - 2014

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    https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/challenge/viewTeamChallenge.do?challengeId=8661

    December 1st to the 25th. (Normally it only went to the 24th)
    This project is points based. People may very well bunker in advance as well. Only results that validate during these dates will count.

    If you are a part of the team already, all you need to do is run WCG to participate.
    If you are not yet part of the team or do not have an account yet, please sign up here - http://join.worldcommunitygrid.org/?recruiterId=338542&teamId=BP5XNJBR9N1
    If you already have a WCG account but not part of the team, please click here - https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=BP5XNJBR9N1 and click Join Team
    Both of those links will associate you to the team.


    Bunkering - https://hardforum.com/threads/bunkering-why-you-should-or-should-not-do-it.1829159/

    2008 - 4th
    2009 - 11th
    2010 - 7th
    2011 - 12th
    2012 - 11th
    2013 - 2nd
    2014 - 3rd
    2015 - 1st
    2016 - 3rd

    Last years thread - https://hardforum.com/threads/2016-wcg-christmas-race.1918984/#post-1042680965

    At WCG, you can cache up to 35 work units per thread per host. There is a limitation of 1,000 work units per host.


    Installation Guide: Windows + Ubuntu BOINC installation walk through (photos not working) Ubuntu client optimized for multisocket rigs BOINC client optimized for multisocket machines [Linux] CentOS CentOS 7 BOINC Install Guides
     
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  2. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    fastgeek, you should consider bunkering for a few days before the race.
     
  3. Araxie

    Araxie [H]ardness Supreme

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    I'm already running WCG but I can't for sure do the bunkering trick as the machines dedicated to the project are remotely controlled. it's there any other way to block BOINC so I can keep the machines operating normally but still bunkering? those machines are pretty weak so as much bunkering work I can do before the challenge the better I can contribute to the team
     
  4. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    Multiple ways to block network.

    1. Unplug the cable.
    2. Use the BOINC Software to "suspend network activity". Might need to use Advanced view and click activity and then suspend network activity.
    3. Block the IP. 169.47.63.74 You can use Linux's IPTables or Window's HOST file to do it. I block it at the router after I load all my rigs up.

    1 will obviously block all network. Not desired.
    2 will only block the boinc software from communicating with ALL projects.
    3 will only block WCG, but it'll even block web site access.
     
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  5. Araxie

    Araxie [H]ardness Supreme

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    thank you, never thought on the second option even if I saw several times the option there, lol. ok im now increasing cache size of up to 50GB and 10 days of work, so well worth 7 days of work ahead the challenge =). not bad.
     
  6. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    Don't forget work units have a deadline and different work units have a different duration for the deadline. If you pick everything BUT MCM and FAAH2 work you will be fine as they all have a 10 day deadline. MCM has a 7 day deadline and FAAH2 has a 1 day deadline.
     
  7. Araxie

    Araxie [H]ardness Supreme

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    interesting so some work may be lost in the process? Im typically doing MCM it's the major amount of work done, but FA@H2 comes very close to the second place on work done, so what should I do? delete everything except MCM to have enough deadline to deliver results?.
     
  8. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    What kind of system are you setting up?

    If it's got a lot of cores and can crunch through the WU's quickly then wait 7 days before the 1st and just load up on MCM work. If it's got a few cores then load up on OpenZika or another project with a 10 day deadline right now. Trick BOINC into thinking the rig has 64 cores so you can get ~1000 tasks. Block networking and let it crunch through them all.

    What I will be doing is this;
    My 4P rigs can crunch through 1000 OpenZika tasks in about 3 days. So I will load up 1000 MCM work units on it 6 days before the event starts. Block networking on it and unload it on the 1st.
    My quad core and other Intel rigs will take many days to complete 1000 openzika tasks so I am loading 1000 WUs on them right now and letting them crunch until the 1st.
     
  9. Araxie

    Araxie [H]ardness Supreme

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    machines are nothing special, two i7s 4c/8t, two Ryzen 7 8c/16t, if timing favor me before the end of the month I may add up to 8 work machines which vary between hexa and octa core i7s from sandy up to haswell gens. but for now I going to work dedicated with the two 4c/8t i7s which are the idle machines, I may just let them just run OpenZika/MCM until the start of the challenge.
     
  10. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    The i7s I would probably load them up with 1000 OpenZika, MIP, SCC and OET tasks and then turn off networking on them.
    The Ryzen units I would wait till Saturday and load up all MCM tasks on it then turn off networking.

    Then I would allow networking on the 1st and let 'em do whatever.
     
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  11. Araxie

    Araxie [H]ardness Supreme

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    thanks i'll do that.
     
  12. Web4Life

    Web4Life [H]Lite

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    I though this was about WRC doing a rally race on X-MAS day...
     
  13. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    Everyone should be bunkering for this race. Team China is in it and we've never out produced them daily. A huge bunker and new recruits is our only shot at beating them. They have over 300 active members compared to our ~100 during the Birthday Challenge.
     
  14. sgrinavi

    sgrinavi [H]ardness Supreme

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    How is that done?
     
  15. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    Sending you a PM.
     
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  16. Gilthanis

    Gilthanis [H]ard|DCer of the Year - 2014

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  17. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    Yeah you can read that long ass tutorial, but if I have time I can hold someone's hand and answer questions directly. Time permitting.
     
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    MGMCCALLEY [H]ard DCOTM SEP 16 / NOV 17

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    Just give us the go-ahead when it's time to bunker. I'll try to get more of my rigs in on it before the start.
     
  19. Gilthanis

    Gilthanis [H]ard|DCer of the Year - 2014

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    You can start now if you pay attention to deadlines and make sure you cache enough work units. The challenge starts in ~5 days so most work units have 7+ day deadlines unless you get a BETA work unit or a resend here and there. BETA work units typically have a 4 day deadline.
     
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    Two boxes bunkered. Does WCG perform better with higher clock rate or more cores?
     
  21. Gilthanis

    Gilthanis [H]ard|DCer of the Year - 2014

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    Typically more cores. Since there is no QRB you will in essence gain more ground by running more work units even at a slightly slower clock speed. They also don't have optimized apps, so you don't gain anything from things like AVX
     
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    Araxie [H]ardness Supreme

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    higher clock rate = faster work per core.. more cores = more simultaneous works at the same time.

    so at the end a combination of both are the best..
     
  23. fastgeek

    fastgeek [H]ard|DCOTM - April 2015,November 2016

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    I'll see what I can do when I get home in regards to bunkering; really don't want to mess with it until then.
     
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  24. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    Since all your rigs run through a proxy just set them all to 10 days work queue, MCM units, and then crash the proxy. lol
     
  25. IdiotInCharge

    IdiotInCharge Not the Idiot YOU are Looking for

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    So it's about time to get started, then?

    My 8700K system is up and running; I'm waiting for a 7600k from a person that I traded my 6700k to plus cash to someone who will use it to game, the 7600k will be going into my 'Linux Learning' box so I'll be digging into how to set that up. Beyond that, I still have two home-bound quad-core laptops and my ultrabook can do a work unit here and there when it's plugged in and charging.

    [on bunkering, do we just tell it not to send results? I understand that this can be detrimental to the projects that are actually using the work that the BOINC client is doing, is there a way to minimize project impact while still advancing the 'sport'?]
     
  26. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    Yes get started now.

    How fast can your rig complete the "small" tasks (OpenZika, Outsmart Ebola Together, FightAids@Home, Smash Childhood Cancer, etc..)? If one core/thread can do the task in about 2 hours then you might be fine. That's 144 tasks per day on your 12 thread Intel rig. Which would take ~7 days to complete.

    If it can do them faster than 2 hours then you might complete them all before the 1st and thus have an idling system which isn't good. If that's the case, put some MCM units in there that will surely take longer than 2 hours to complete and allow your rig to crunch the whole time without idling.

    Yes, just load up ~1000 tasks. Trick BOINC into thinking you have more cores if you need to so you get them all. Then just suspend networking in BOINC so it will stop communicating with the servers. That's the easiest way.
     
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    skylaar24 n00bie

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    I am torn... this race or NFS and Numbers need some love as we are losing in those races. Right now I have moved to Numbers but it wont be enough.
     
  28. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    Keep them on WCG and bunker it. The whole team will have a week after this race to catch us up on Formula-BOINC.
     
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  29. phoenicis

    phoenicis [H]ard|DCer of the Month - December 2011

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    I'm using a ryzen to try and stem the FB bleeding whilst we're away at the races.
     
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  30. tacos4me

    tacos4me Gawd

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    I should be game this year, 32 TR cores and I have ~40 E5 v4 that aren't doing anything for at least a few weeks.
     
  31. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    Gilthanis [H]ard|DCer of the Year - 2014

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    Gilthanis [H]ard|DCer of the Year - 2014

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    I think I have Team AnandTech signing up for the challenge. Hopefully they can get signed up in time. However, they will be missing a lot of bunkering opportunity at this point. I can honestly say that due to other goals I needed to get back to, I have not bunkered but will be returning for the event.
     
  34. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    They gonna lose anyway. :p
     
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    Gilthanis [H]ard|DCer of the Year - 2014

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    OcUK is passing on the event to focus their efforts on FB. That is a shame as they too would give a good challenge.
     
  36. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    They didn't even compete in the Birthday Challenge.
     
  37. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    fastgeek any luck with this?
     
  38. 10esseeTony

    10esseeTony n00bie

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    Pffft. You sissies haven't a snowballs chance. :D Gilthanis told me to come by and talk some smack. I'm not much good at it, so cut me some slack. ;)
     
  39. Skillz

    Skillz [H]ard DCOTM Jan 16 March 17

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    Oh hey 9esseTony. Welcome to the [H].
     
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    10esseeTony n00bie

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    Thanks!

    Most of you don't know me, so, Hi! I'm from TeAm AnandTech, Skillz and Coleslaw (Gilthanis, if I'm not mistaken) visit us a bit, and invited us waaay after you've built up your bunkers, to participate in this race and another concurrent one. ;)

    And super-duper congrats to all on your Formula BOINC performance this year! I love how you've outscored Gridcoin in league one! :) Well done!
     
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