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So far just the AdoredTV "leaks/rumors" mention 16/32. The 12/24 has been leaked/confirmed via benchmarks.
16/32 seems feasible, though, due to the io controller/die layout on the substraight we saw during CES where the 1 die / blank space was an 8/16 part.
However its supposed to have a high TDP, and require either a x570 chipset, or beefy x470 board the latter may exclude PB3 features (my assumption.)
16/32 seems feasible, though, due to the io controller/die layout on the substraight we saw during CES where the 1 die / blank space was an 8/16 part.
However its supposed to have a high TDP, and require either a x570 chipset, or beefy x470 board the latter may exclude PB3 features (my assumption.)
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If true, final clocks probably about the same as Zen+ 2700X. Maybe even a little less. However, being the 12 core CPU... and having to exist in a 105w or less power envelope to maintain backward compatibility with X370 and X470... that's not necessarily a game killer if the 6 and 8 core CPUs clock correspondingly higher in their respective power envelopes.
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And has stated that there will be fill backward compatibility as long as the Mobo maker releases a bios update for it.
I would think k that the b350/450 and x370/470 would be fine for everything under the 12c...the a320 chjlsets are what I would worry about.
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For now it seems like it's the TDP. Consider, 135 watt power draw at 7nm for a 16 core part, supposedly. As far as we know, there may be a 12 core part with both chiplet spaces occupied on the package. Consider that bining of chiplets could produce 8 good cores per chiplet, but wouldn't they prefer to use those on EPYC high margin parts first? Exactly. As we get to 7nm+ or process refinements there may be 16 core packages but why canibalize Threadripper sales? You have to look at margins on production and implementation. Think about the missing 2800X part and the thought process for no release of that product. They are focusing on the datacenter where the margins are.
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Top end desktop parts like a potential 12C or 16C Ryzen would be low volume high price parts too. Likely in the $1000 range. Most Zen2 CPU's sold will probably be 8C or less parts and the 8C versions could be made up of 2x 4C dies that were scavenged and tied together via the IO die. Yields on raw Zen2 dies from the fab should be pretty good as well. The dies are actually fairly small (comparable to phone SoC's) too so that should help with yields a fair amount.
TR was a super low volume prestige/halo part + Zen2 based TR is going to support lots more than 16C's and have more memory channels to feed them. There is no real risk of cannibalizing TR sales with 12C and 16C desktop Ryzens.
They are but they're not going to be missing out on any profits by pushing the limits of core counts on the desktop or prosumer market at all.
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would not recommend putting the 12/16 core on the b450, most of them barely handle the 2700x at max boost, highly doubt the vrm's will handle the 16 core part. also wouldn't surprise me if the 12/16 core parts get locked down to x570 only due to VRM requirements.
Any of the high quality X370/470 mobos will be able to handle the 12C and 16C Ryzens, they often have VRM's that are fine with putting out 200W+ of power to the CPU, but yeah the cheap B350/450 mobos will probably struggle with them even at stock speeds.
As far as anyone knows AMD can't and won't really "lock" the 12C and 16C CPU's to the 570X but they can say they're not supported on anything else and therefor the warranty would be void if you put one in to any other mobo.
AMD can also ASK the mobo vendors not to update the BIOS's for other mobos so that they can't boot them of course.
But asking isn't the same thing as telling or even locking.
As far as anyone knows AMD can't and won't really "lock" the 12C and 16C CPU's to the 570X but they can say they're not supported on anything else and therefor the warranty would be void if you put one in to any other mobo.
AMD can also ASK the mobo vendors not to update the BIOS's for other mobos so that they can't boot them of course.
But asking isn't the same thing as telling or even locking.
Remember they are 7nm. Power required is gonna be much lower.
But you're probably right.
The 2700X is officially a 105W chip. The two 12C models are supposed to be 95W and 105W chips, and the rumored 16C models are supposed to be 125W and 135W, so sirmonkey1985 point is relevant.
Never said it was irrelevant.
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Ok, risking sounding like a debby downer here. Am I the only one who doesn't see the need for all these cores?!? I mean I have a hex core Ivy-E currently; before that a hex Sandy-E. I fully plan on going to either a hex or octo core Zen 2, for sure. I'm itching to get back to AMD. But 12, 16 cores or more? All I use my custom rig anymore for is gaming. I simply can't see needing more than 8 cores at this point for gaming.
Most of us dont need more than 6 cores. But for some people its the greatest time saver since microwave ovens.
People have different workloads. My workload is shooting people in the head and watching porn.
You're right more than 8C is overkill....RIGHT NOW.
And realistically probably for the next couple of years.
The thing is as the new consoles come out (rumored to use 8C/16T Zen2's) and as these new higher core count CPU's become more commonplace developers will actually start to make use of them. Yes even in games.
I think the term "future proofing" is more than a bit played out at this point in the PC world but a 12 or 16 core Zen2 at 4.5Ghz or more would certainly help keep your system relevant without further CPU upgrades for quite a while.
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all comes down to use case really.. if they got rid of the 4/8 and 6/12 and instead forced people onto 8/16 or higher only then yeah i'd consider a waste but there's options out there for anyone and any potential use case they might have when it comes to core count requirements.
And the same flawed argument another time again...
More cores is better,but not always. There are usage scenarios, in fact more than enough right now that suggest more cores is substantially better per those usage scenarios. Not across the board.
Just video encoding alone I see full activation of all 32 threads on my 2950x.
Another example feeding off the last... I can be converting 264 to 265 while gaming at the same time with out much performance degradation except heavy cache hits from encoding. I'll loose a little smoothness in my games. But your quad and 6s cant pull that stuff off at all.
That is just one scenario.
On the other hand, if your purely a gamer there is no need to justify mopre than 6 cores imo. No need to have the extra power expense, complexity, higher end power delivery mobo etc...
Better off getting min 6 core plus high end GPU than a
Just video encoding alone I see full activation of all 32 threads on my 2950x.
Another example feeding off the last... I can be converting 264 to 265 while gaming at the same time with out much performance degradation except heavy cache hits from encoding. I'll loose a little smoothness in my games. But your quad and 6s cant pull that stuff off at all.
That is just one scenario.
On the other hand, if your purely a gamer there is no need to justify mopre than 6 cores imo. No need to have the extra power expense, complexity, higher end power delivery mobo etc...
Better off getting min 6 core plus high end GPU than a
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I benefit from moar cores. I do a mixture of so much different shit, it's nuts. Video encoding. Rendering. Audio production & DJing. Gaming. Compiling.
It's because I'm a UI developer by day, a trance DJ and producer by night, and I dabble in 3d work for fun.
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5Ghz 3700X looks juicy.
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What kinda songs do you like/play sir?
Stylistically, I'm like a darker, more broody version of Armin.