120Hz LCD Info Thread

Nicksterr said:
Just thought I would comment in here. Picked up a 2233rz and I'm loving it. lowered the brightness, changed color modes and adjusted the RGB colors. Looks pretty good to me. Oh, and 120hz is bliss for gaming. I noticed it as soon as I loaded into a server. Also, this may placebo or just negligence, but I swear some programs are actually displaying content more quickly (like web browsing)
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That's the whole idea with 120Hz, anything that involves a movement on screen and isn't limited to 60 FPS or lower will appear smoother. So yes moving a window around, scrolling up/down on a webpage etc will look smoother as well. I'm glad you like the 2233rz, I didn't like the colors of mine, may have gotten an unusually bad calibrated sample tho as I couldn't adjust out the blue push even if set blue to "0". I personally prefer a warm 65k color temp which HDTVs are calibrated for and I couldn't get such warm colors on my 2233rz (the warmest possible I could get was maybe around 70~75k when set b: 0, g: 27, r: 54). The VX2268wm on the other hand has very nice colors and very close to balanced color tone without even tweaking them (currently set to r: 85, g: 79, b: 81, default is 100, 100, 100).
 
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Why do we need 120h when as far as i have heard, the human eye cant tell the difference past half of 120hz?
 
jonneymendoza said:
yea i just did go there as i dont understand?
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Humans are capable of perceiving past 60fps. Some more readily than others. We could argue it all day, but the only way to really prove the point is to sit someone down in front of a 120 Hz display attached to a PC capable pumping 120fps to the monitor.

But the short answer to your original question, "Why do we need 120h when as far as i have heard, the human eye cant tell the difference past half of 120hz?", is 3d, and the fact that 24, 30, and 60 all divide evenly into 120, so pull down is not required for the various TV and movie formats.
 
What is the difference between the VX2268wm and VX2265wm? I cant figure it out :). Both 1680, both 120hz, both 3ms (g2g).
 
crawlgsx said:
What is the difference between the VX2268wm and VX2265wm? I cant figure it out :). Both 1680, both 120hz, both 3ms (g2g).
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Someone correct me if I'm totally wrong here, but I think these are the differences:

The 2268 version is only sold in Europe and is slightly improved over the 2265. The 2265 doesn't have an OSD (you can only adjust brightness), and I believe I remember reading that the brightness adjustment on the 2265 is locked when running at 120hz (and the monitor is super bright).

You'd have to use the nVidia or ATI control panel for your respective graphics card to adjust brightness, contrast, etc., but I think ideally you'd want to have those controls on the display itself.
 
MajorMullet said:
Someone correct me if I'm totally wrong here, but I think these are the differences:

The 2268 version is only sold in Europe and is slightly improved over the 2265. The 2265 doesn't have an OSD (you can only adjust brightness), and I believe I remember reading that the brightness adjustment on the 2265 is locked when running at 120hz (and the monitor is super bright).

You'd have to use the nVidia or ATI control panel for your respective graphics card to adjust brightness, contrast, etc., but I think ideally you'd want to have those controls on the display itself.
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That would be very important info!
 
This is weird but I'd say my VX2268wm has less backlight bleed these days than what it had on the day I got it, how's this possible?
 
In reality 120Hz is just good for 3D (60 fps for each interlaced image) so right off the bat your 3D monitor is merely displaying 2 "regular" speed images at the same time. But you can't definitively prove that it is best for games or anything else. If you "perceive," "feel," or "think" it is better that's just your personal point of view. You can get fluidity with as low as 15 constant fps.
 
Just got the ViewSonic VX2265WM from buy.com. First and foremost -- the 120hz rocks! If you have a game that can keep a steady 120 or higher fps, it's absolutely butter smooth. I logged into Quakelive (with GPU scaling enabled) to test it. Frags and accuracy immediately increased! The silky-smoothness of the monitor actually translated to a psychologically smoother feel on my mouse. :) If the FPS falls below 120, you will experience tearing. 120hz tearing doesn't seem to be as bothersome as 60hz tearing, however.

Pros:
  • 120hz
  • Super-bright display
  • Least expensive of all 120hz displays ~$240 (at the time of my buy)
  • Samsung panel - No dead pixels - Although I suppose this can vary

Cons:
  • Brightness buttons do not work in 120hz mode. It's always at max unless you use the software to lower it.
  • No OSD. Only brightness and volume level controls.
  • The look of the bezel is unappealing. Big lite bright button in the middle of the bezel.
  • Stand is wobbly
  • Lots of backlight bleed and some banding
  • Speakers are a waste. The "WOW" sound doesn't wow.

Even with all the negative attributes, it's still a great monitor for fast-paced gaming.
 
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Is there ANY chance of seeing a 120hz with minimal backlight bleed and good contrast ? i got 2233rz and the dark scenes in crysis for example are looking like ASS
 
elation said:
Brightness buttons do not work in 120hz mode. It's always at max unless you use the software to lower it.
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I've noticed this to be common for the gaming mode on many monitors/TVs. It's my understanding that they do this to increase response time (less ghosting at high brightness). This would suggest the response time of a 120hz monitor at 'normal' brightness is not fast enough to display 120fps.
 
sadbuttrue said:
I've noticed this to be common for the gaming mode on many monitors/TVs. It's my understanding that they do this to increase response time (less ghosting at high brightness). This would suggest the response time of a 120hz monitor at 'normal' brightness is not fast enough to display 120fps.
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Interesting. I never considered it. It does seem to help with game detail.
 
If you can't adjust brightness with 120Hz you've bought the VX2265wm american model not VX2268wm european model. The backlight bleed at 100 is visible almost up to the middle of the screen from bottom on my VX2268wm so I'm glad brightness adjustment works, at 25 it's almost unnoticable during day and only slightly visible at the bottom during evening. I'm not a fan of bright screens anyway, 23 - 25 on this monitor is enough for me.
 
if only the screens were LED backlit, 2ms time, 1900x1200, and like 20k contrast.... crt's are still better all around.. except the giant size oh and dont forget about the internal processing that lcd's do
 
we are expecting two LED 120hz backlit monitors

viewsonic -> http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1486300
and a LG one, google does not help atm but i 'm positive that i saw info about a 120hz LED LG pc monitor somewhere a few months ago, it was without bezels too !! ( maybe it was just a wet dream ? :D :p )

I'm still stuck with a 2233rz, colors are fine although abit cold as rpg wizard states, backlight bleeding is the real deal braker tho, can't see shit in dark scenes and bottom of the screens gets a bright blue glow, like a freaking lightsaber :(

Is there any proof that LED backlight TN panels handle clouding contrast and uniformity better ? Going dual monitor with a 60hz screen is out of the question, even desktop mousing feels superior on a good old crt or a true 120hz lcd :)
 
G3rr01 said:
if only the screens were LED backlit, 2ms time, 1900x1200, and like 20k contrast.... crt's are still better all around.. except the giant size oh and dont forget about the internal processing that lcd's do
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They are also getting rarer to find. You generally have to find a decent one locally because people don't want to ship the big bastards around the country and that is no small feat.
 
Anyone know if any of these monitors support the 120hz refresh in resolutions below their native resolution? For example, can any of these 16:9 monitors display 1600x900@120hz and/or 1280x720@120hz?

If not, is there a performance disadvantage with having the video card compensate, by using scaling/fixed aspect ratio, while displaying at the monitor's native resolution? Would doing so potentially affect the min/max average (or variance thereof) of a game's given frame rate, relative to GPU muscle?


Glow
 
Glowingwind said:
Anyone know if any of these monitors support the 120hz refresh in resolutions below their native resolution? For example, can any of these 16:9 monitors display 1600x900@120hz and/or 1280x720@120hz?

If not, is there a performance disadvantage with having the video card compensate, by using scaling/fixed aspect ratio, while displaying at the monitor's native resolution? Would doing so potentially affect the min/max average (or variance thereof) of a game's given frame rate, relative to GPU muscle?


Glow
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they do.
 
I am aware - or I am assuming - that the 3D technology will only work on a nVidia card (I have an ATi card). However, I had two questions:


  • I wanted to know if the 120Hz refresh rate would be available regardless of brand, assuming that you have a capable video card, i.e., mid to high-end recent video card.
  • I also wanted to know if the 120Hz refresh rate was available in Windows XP. I ask this because the 3D tech is only available on Vista and 7.
Thank you for your time.
 
SmuvMoney said:
I am aware - or I am assuming - that the 3D technology will only work on a nVidia card (I have an ATi card). However, I had two questions:


  • I wanted to know if the 120Hz refresh rate would be available regardless of brand, assuming that you have a capable video card, i.e., mid to high-end recent video card.
  • I also wanted to know if the 120Hz refresh rate was available in Windows XP. I ask this because the 3D tech is only available on Vista and 7.
Thank you for your time.
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You only need a Dual Link DVI card (many many modern cards and even some older ones support this so you should be covered) 120hz refresh rate works fine on Windows XP , the 3D drivers however I'm not sure on but I believe that Nvidia only has them for vista and on up.

Ati is also doing 3D starting this year so you could also wait to see how there solution is.
 
I have a question for people who have a 120hz monitor: when you play 120hz, is it true that it goes down to 60hz under windows?
 
stevenj said:
I have a question for people who have a 120hz monitor: when you play 120hz, is it true that it goes down to 60hz under windows?
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Well yes, but there's no reason why you want your regular Windows desktop to refresh at 120 Hz. The advantage of going at 120 Hz is that the display refreshes 120 times a second, meaning you can EITHER get smoother movements in movies or fast-moving games OR use 3D glasses where every other frame goes to one eye or the other, producing 2 x 60 Hz and tricking your eyes into thinking they're looking at an image with depth.

Unless there are some special use cases out there that I don't know about, it's not really something you'd need for browsing the web/spreadsheets/etc. ...
 
stevenj said:
I have a question for people who have a 120hz monitor: when you play 120hz, is it true that it goes down to 60hz under windows?
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I run my AW2310 at 120hz on 2D desktop with no problems (have been since January).

While it may not be "necessary" on the desktop, I like the feel and responsiveness.
 
orubasarot said:
I don't care about 3D vision at all, I just want to know this: Has anybody here with a 120hz or other high refresh rate monitor solved their screen tearing problems? I'm talking about FPS games when turning quickly, objects like doorways with bold vertical lines obviously get chopped up without Vsync.

When I turn the refresh rate up to 85 on my DLP projector, I THINK (think) that the tearing improves a little, though I need to test this some more. I'm never going to use Vsync so I want to know if there is anything at all I can do about this.
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Only one thing. That is, insure that your games always run as close to 120fps as possible, all the time. That means mins, max, and average = 120fps. That is all you can do with out Vsync on an LCD. Without Vsync you will experience tearing to some degree or another on a LCD.
 
Are you satisfied with this monitor? I would like your opinions before ordering
 
stevenj said:
Are you satisfied with this monitor? I would like your opinions before ordering
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I'll be able to tell you, more or less soon enough. I ordered one, although it is on backorder and the estimate time to ship is not 'til ~May 3rd. Hopefully, that's a rather conservative estimate.

This is after going through two new Samsung 2233RZ monitors, over a period of 6 weeks. I ordered the thing through buy.com (vicariously through amazon.com). First one's screen would go black, within a second of attempting to sync at 120hz.

:rolleyes:

2nd one had significant artifacts on the display. Although slowly, they did reimburse me both cost and shipping.

I care more about speed than eyecandy. I decided that since I could, apparently, still run lower 16:9 ratio resolutions at 120hz, it had seemingly, superior features and that the overpriced Alienware was 50 bucks off that it was worthwhile ordering over the alternative. Whether it was the right choice or the right patience...

Time will tell.

I'll give my 2 cents, once it arrives. Can't come soon enough - need meh Quake fix, damnit!



Cheers,
Glow
 
I'm very happy with my AW2310. I've only owned TN panels so they don't bother me.

My only grippe with the LCD is that I haven't been able to non native resolutions @120hz. (might be an ATI/Win7 Exception, not sure).

But getting this 120hz LCD enabled me to start playing quakelive again after I had put my 21" CRT in storage.

On the tearing question, 120hz wont eliminate it completely for me. But it makes it a rare occurrence. I very rarely notice it. Of course some games are probably worse than others, and I've mainly been playing Quakelive and Bad Company 2 so maybe those two games are tearing friendly...
 
What I don't understand is why they haven't come out with 90 Hz monitors and jumped straight for 120. It makes sense on TV's but not on monitors me thinks. Is it a hardware limitation?
 
I have the AW2310 and I like it alot. I just transitioned from my 1999 Dell Trinitron CRT 19" :)

I actually ordered the DELL 2209WA and the AW2310 at the same time thinking I was going to keep both for different purposes. We use IPS panels at work and I like them alot for web browsing/development, but I wanted the best gaming panel as well, hence the 2310.

I primarily use my rig for gaming, at the moment I only game bfbc2 on a regular basis. So my plan was to game with the 2310 for a day then the next day game with the 2209WA @ 75Hz.

At first, I thought the 2310 blew ass compared to 2209WA until I found out I didn't have the latest monitor drivers from dell loaded for it. Once I got that done, the 2310 was extremely smooth and great in BFBC2, even more so than the 2209WA. I also experienced more motion blur with the 2209WA compared to the 2310 which bugged me. I have extremely sensitive eyes so it doesn't take much to get them to bleed.

I'm new to LCD's and the whole "tearing" concept, so take it for what its worth, but what I think was tearing I noticed it on the 2209WA but I have yet to notice any on the 2310. At least what I saw was horizontal lines out of whack in certain scenarios.

The 2209WA was slightly better with text and colors for web browsing, but not enough to keep it for that sole reason so I sent it back and kept the 2310. I do hate the viewing angles, but that is a given with a TN panel. Although, the 2209WA had the silvery shimmer coating people talked about that sort of annoyed me. My IPS panels at work didn't have that. I did like the blue power button on the 2209WA because it matched the blue case fans on my Antec 900 :)

FYI: I'm using a GTX275.
 
Can you run these LCDs at any refresh rate under 120hz, like 85hz?

I will have to pick up the NV 3D set up with my monitor once it comes out, can't wait to try STO or MW2 in 3D.
 
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