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That was a touch snotty as I never use the OS forum and it still dident answer the differences between OEM and full.

I am looking to finally upgrade from Win 98 to Win XP and have been checking out the prices and now need some advice. The original upgrade and full versions of XP home and XP Pro are real expensive yet I have found that Ebay has hundreds of OEM versions which are sealed with genuine...

One problem with these companies moving there buisness to TSMC is that they are Choc a Block with orders already as was stated recently in the financial news, They are not going to bend over backwards for new customers especially Nvidia (Nvidia left them and slated them last year) at the expense...

Hey I totally agree with that kyle but thats talking about the process maturing and that does not happen fast, we would be talking 6 months at the least and 600MHZ would still be pushing it even then, id say maybe they will reach 525MHZ within about 6 to 8 months and there wouldent be much...

Id like them to both be pretty close so they enter a pricing war, then I can buy one of each for the price of 1. :D :D

It would take so long to explain you would not believe and I dont think I know enough to give a detailed explanation, so the simplest way to put it is, never compare GPU's to CPU's as there are far to many differences, they cannot be compared. using the current CORE which reviewers have there...

You are now delving into the processor world which is very different and definatly not comparable, GPU's are a lot different, also the celeron could be overclocked easily from the beginning of release it had none of the difficulties reviewers have had with overclocking the NV40. It is not...

It has to be overclocked unless Nvidia has a completly different core to the one which was reviewed which is highly unlikely as the core we have seen cant manage more than 30 to 50 MHZ overclock, even with a silicon revision a 500 MHZ core would be pushing it. Albatron have made an error is...

I know all about volatage and I know that to get a 200 MHZ boost out of that silicon the voltage would be enough to burn out the traces, we are talking 200 MHZ here, go have a look around the net and see if you can see anywhere in the past where someone has managed a 200MHZ boost on the core...

Personally And I am niether for or against ATI or Nvidia infact some here would most likely say im for ATI but I take that statement different to everyone else here, I would say it shows ATI will not have FULL PS3.0 like I have said all along. ALSO ITS THE MAIN "EXTRA FEATURE" ON NV40 vs...

There is one thing I find comical about this, There are people here that are expecting add in board partners to get an extra 200 MHZ out of the core (albatron) which is not physically possible, please name the last time that happened on any graphics card. So far no one has been able to get...

:D :D Do you have any idea how the INQ ended up being correct: They predicted EVERY possible combination they couldent be wrong, christ look at there ATI predictions, the card could still be anything and powered of a small cold fusion reactor and the inq would still be right as if any where...

Its not so much your fault as the link to the forum where these games were found, its a positive flamefest of people saying this is the reason ATI will get pasted and there are some here who took that very same position, it sort of inevitable at these times, but I was just letting people know...

Read my post more carefully, those specs are based on microsoft changing the specs to allow for it at ATI's request, why would they request that and have it work in such a way if they do not intend to use it, this is what convinced most people that ATI will not have full SM3.0 spec, otherwise we...

The source is the specs for DX9.0c on microsofts site :D Edit: it is also all over beyond 3d and is common knowledge now, id of thought so here too.

Nice a double winner as I cant see no one being a loser this round :D EDIT: may have jumped in a little quick there we have yet to see what ATI have to offer damn me and my presumptions, I hope its close as we get a price war that way :D :D :D

Listen ill say this for you guys who keep posting about PS3.0: These are the simplest possible explanations I can possibly give. 1.SM3.0, consists of PS3.0 and VS3.0 2.PS3.0 consists of various PERFORMANCE enhancements (none of which we have seen the benefit of yet so we dont know how good...

The bit tech photos are not from that lan event they are from Geneva's launch event.

Well it looks like those shots are NOT between PS2.0 and PS3.0 as Nvidia have come clean, they are actually a lower quality pixel precision: Update: We are looking into some questions posed to us about these screenshots in this thread of our forums; most notably: what setting are the "before"...

Ahem ATI are said to support VS3.0 fully and partial PS3.0 that is why microsoft rewrote direct x 9.0c to allow full VS3.0 support and partial PS3.0, the thing is Ive just found out those lovely effects on the farcry scene in SM3.0 are actully called displacement mapping which is part of VS3.0...

Well at least I aint one of those noobs as I have never posted anything ridiculous without source, in fact I have been getting at them for doing that very same thing. Nice community here, very, whats the word "friendly"

Would you say I am biased then and what way would that be, personally I would really like to know from your opinion as all I have tried to do is drill through to people that niether is better, or is it that you are biased. Personally I hate the word and I have used it because I hate the word...

Is it really that bad here lately !!!!!!:(

Ive never had no probs with ATI drivers but there again I have only ever had a 9700pro, everything else was Nvidia and I have had a lot of probs over the years with there drivers, The only 100% trouble free card I have had is my quadro but there again I hardly ever use that machine for games...

I have a bias and I think I have made it quite clear, its not nvidia, its not ATI, its not Intel, and its not AMD, My bias is: VALUE FOR MONEY It always has been and always will be and I base every decision on it when im buying I need the best performance possible for my pound.

No one knows labrat thats the thing, the only thing we know is that they are identical to those of the NVIDIA event and they state its PS2.0. Hey can you go to that point in your farcry and snap us a screen shot at maximum quality and we can compare it too the PS3.0 shot.

Thats the thing though none of us know that and you are that sure you have already made it clear which one you are opting for which gives the impression that NV40 will be better, ill buy whichever is better but I wouldent be daft enough to say im going to get this one or that one when I have no...

Wait lol Ive just noticed them italien sons of *****'s they have them pictures hooked up through java to link straight to the PCperspective page, it comes up in the bottom of the internet explorer page when you hover the mouse over them.

Yes I read that now go back to that italien site and have a look at the pic links fro the pictures you know the filenames and you will find that they ripped them from PC perspective not the other way round lol

Lol I am not blaming you bad boy Im saying those pics have been pointed out all over as been PS and PS3.0 yes from the launch event and bit tech, I know it says PS2.0 and that is what the uproar is about, just looak at them side by side with the blown up PC perspective ones, they are both from...

It was still funny though :D :D :D

Hey you pointed me here as proof while getting at me for calling someone while not batting an eyelid at someone promoting warez, these pics have been discussed elsewhere, they are the same pictures and they are PS none and PS3.0.

Those pics are identical to those from PCperspective and as no one has a farcry ps3.0 patch where do you think PC perspective got there pictures from jesus, this is what was it on at beyond 3d Edit: LOOK AT THE PICS from bittech and Pc perspective side by side they are frickin identical.

The above quote was from (Vampire:BL + nV Shader 3.0 = pissed ATI) not this one and you told me too come here, and the comparisons you showed according to a lot of technical folks over at beyond 3d are not ps2.0 and ps3.0 they are none ps and ps3.0 but hey im not that technical and I rely on...

Funny I thought it was DEATH :D :D :D

Bad boy pointed me to this thread, those comparison shots are one with no PS and the other with PS 3.0 and if you check the filenames they were ripped from PC perspective which you will find here http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=145 they were also discussed in Beyond 3D. There have been...

Funny that id think if that was the case you would imprison yourself

Bad boy I used name calling because he is scum as he is advocating warez and I hate that, that was the reason I lost it. Vagrant Zero: as I said I couldent give 2 hoots what you think you flagrantly told all and sundry you intend to Warez this game without PS3.0 which makes your entire...

I couldent care less how long a game takes to come out as long as it comes out and is good and im not going to ask them to hold it back longer to put in PS 3.0 when we will see no quality difference, christ the market is full of half assed unfinished games which need patching for weeks, the only...

Right I must say I am happy no one has called me an ATI fanboy as I have made it quite clear I am not, I go for the best and only the best and currently I do not not know who that is going to be. I have highlighted the above post and bolded certain parts to help all of you who are slamming...