5090 Production Halted

Yep, I have a tech rider on my policy as well. It’s like $60 a year.
In many parts of the country, you don't want to use your HI policy unless it's a major major event, rates once raised seldom go back. If the insurance company thinks you are running a mini AI data center or crypto farm, a burnt 5090 is going to pale in comparison.
 
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When people say a game is unoptimized it does not literally mean no optimization whatsoever, but that they don't spend enough resources on making their game efficient. You can have all kinds of optimization but then completely tank performance with one badly implemented render pass.

So no optimization just means poor optimization.
Yes some games have poor, but in general the Call of Duty and the others with a good team are optmization marvel....

I feel about everyone that worked in both the video game industry at the engine level versus the rest of the software world would agree, that video games in one branch of the software world the most obsess and good at optimizing, they think about cache hit, data structure, going in and out of function, there is decades of tricks on render applied that it is rare to see in most of the industry.

If that's the case, Nvidia has an SOC in the Switch 2 and last I checked, that's the best selling console as of late. Obviously, I was referring to PC gaming.
Yes, and Nvidia did not quit gaming either from the switch 2, to cloud streaming gaming platform to discrete gpu and upcoming ARM-gpu gaming laptop (to be followed with Intel-Nvidia gaming SOC in x86 for pc gaming), the DLSS 5 effort is a vision of the future of PC gaming from Nvidia. AMD did not quit PC gaming, they will sell 9060-9070 to anyone that want to buy one, fill all the steam machine order they get and will have an RDNA 5 discrete GPU that has gaming in mind, large cache cpu that are especially good at game, they do put giant effort into the AI world but they keep some form of gaming division alive, will be my guess and when memory will make gamers demand match offer price, gaming hardware volume will back up.

Gaming is the safest cultural medium of the future and pretty much the biggest, the biggest market (China) is quite PC centric, it would be strange to quit it.
 
That’s not a significant loss to most homeowners.
A full 5090 God build is looking at $15k and we used HI for that much when the roof got damaged in a hail storm.

Rates went up $200 a year after that. Thanks USAA! (Still cheaper over the next 3-4 decades we might be in the home)
 
Do you really though? I think the biggest issue is instead of getting 220 FPS in a game you instead get 160
On a 12GB card that's 4070 level of performance? Nah you have to turn things down. Path tracing is really a non-starter. I maybe could try it with ultra-performance upscaling but otherwise, it is a no-go. Also depending on the game 12GB gets limiting, textures and such and have to be turned down. It still looks really good, but it isn't getting the same visuals as the 5090 in games that support the highest end.

Probably obvious given this is [H], but have your PC on a high-end surge protector. I've posted previously that I took out a rider on my homeowner's insurance policy to cover replacement cost of my daily driver PC given its cost to buy new is now north of $10,000.
One thing to note with insurance is that they almost always will max pay out what you paid for something. Getting them to pay replacement price if the cost went up is pretty impossible, even with a specific rider. Not saying you shouldn't have tech coverage, I do, but be aware that they are likely to say "Well you only paid $3000 for the card so that's what you get, not the $15k it would cost to replace." Insurance is in the business of paying out as little as possible and they write their contracts as such.
 
One thing to note with insurance is that they almost always will max pay out what you paid for something. Getting them to pay replacement price if the cost went up is pretty impossible, even with a specific rider.
Check into agreed value contracts/insurance. They're common for higher-value pieces of art, collectibles, and other items that more frequently increase in value than PC components. I already have a few pieces of art that are under agreed value insurance so adding my PC was not much time/effort.
 
PC gaming is cooked until prices come back to an affordable level. The 5090 long ago exceeded that, so it being discontinued hardly matters. Going to be some seriously bored enthusiasts for the next two years or even longer.
 
PC gaming is cooked until prices come back to an affordable level. The 5090 long ago exceeded that, so it being discontinued hardly matters. Going to be some seriously bored enthusiasts for the next two years or even longer.
I mean... bored maybe if the only part of it they like is getting new hardware. But if what you like is gaming, then a hardware freeze doesn't hurt that. That's the reality of console gaming throughout most of its history: A console gets released with a set spec, there is no way to expand that, so games are made for it. Doesn't mean the games aren't still fun.

Also the eventual path of PC gaming will be a slowdown in how fast hardware gets better. We are already seeing this, and it'll only slow further. We are hitting the limits of physics and practicality with lithography, which means we don't get lots more transistors for cheap. That means no massive scaling. This is no surprise, nothing grows exponential forever, you level off and have a slowly decreasing linear growth pattern after a time.

I don't see that as awful, there's nothing bad about having things that last longer. I wouldn't mind a future where you have a computer from 10 years ago and it is still really good.
 
I keep my card undervolted, monitor pin amp draw via software, have NTC thermistor protection on the VGA connectors, run an aggressive fan curve, and have the PC connected to a dedicated UPS. Hoping for the best but preparing to recover what I paid if it suffers the worst. Never had a GPU die on me and this would be a bad one to lose, but it's useless worrying about events we can't control.
 
Probably obvious given this is [H], but have your PC on a high-end surge protector. I've posted previously that I took out a rider on my homeowner's insurance policy to cover replacement cost of my daily driver PC given its cost to buy new is now north of $10,000.
Online ups ftw I have a 9px 8kw that feeds a sub panel that hits circuits for all my electronics throughout my house and then I have another smaller online for my PC that might help if a lighting strike comes over the ground or neutral. I feel this is about the best I can do in a home setting
 
I mean... bored maybe if the only part of it they like is getting new hardware. But if what you like is gaming, then a hardware freeze doesn't hurt that. That's the reality of console gaming throughout most of its history: A console gets released with a set spec, there is no way to expand that, so games are made for it. Doesn't mean the games aren't still fun.

Also the eventual path of PC gaming will be a slowdown in how fast hardware gets better. We are already seeing this, and it'll only slow further. We are hitting the limits of physics and practicality with lithography, which means we don't get lots more transistors for cheap. That means no massive scaling. This is no surprise, nothing grows exponential forever, you level off and have a slowly decreasing linear growth pattern after a time.

I don't see that as awful, there's nothing bad about having things that last longer. I wouldn't mind a future where you have a computer from 10 years ago and it is still really good.
I enjoy getting new hardware as much, if not more than gaming itself. I'm only kind of happy about the lack of hardware progress due to the costs of everything now.
 
I enjoy getting new hardware as much, if not more than gaming itself. I'm only kind of happy about the lack of hardware progress due to the costs of everything now.
For people like you then ya, the present sucks and the future is likely to suck in that the speed of progress is going to slow down, there's really nothing to be done about that.
 
For people like you then ya, the present sucks and the future is likely to suck in that the speed of progress is going to slow down, there's really nothing to be done about that.
I don't know you but form that repose right there I kinda don't think you belong at [H] with that attitude. We as a whole enjoy messing with computers as much as gaming as we wouldn't be here if we where normal people that didn't geek out on computer parts.
So instead of saying for people like you call it how. It is it sucks for everyone even if you have a new rig today I'm not 100% sure we are even getting new generations of hardware. If we stop complaining how shity it is right now they definitely win. The best thing we can do is tell everyone we know how bad it is and how bad it looks like it will get so they might start hating on the AI eating machine also and we hit critical mass where they run out of political capital to keep pushing AI like it's the next coming of the God emperor of mankind.
 
For people like you then ya, the present sucks and the future is likely to suck in that the speed of progress is going to slow down, there's really nothing to be done about that.
The massive price hikes also go way beyond inflation. It's a pretty shitty time to be a hardware enthusiast right now. Not only has technological progress slowed, but availability and pricing is out of control compared to what we are used to. Not to mention, overclocking is pretty much dead as well. I've been enjoying this hobby since about 1995 and in all that time, this has been the absolute worst I've seen things.
 
Availability has not been a problem. I could buy any 5xxx serise cards since release. The prices are just getting out of hand. Hell there were a couple 5090s avaliable at my MC last week but the cheapest one was $5200.
 
Availability has not been a problem. I could buy any 5xxx serise cards since release. The prices are just getting out of hand. Hell there were a couple 5090s avaliable at my MC last week but the cheapest one was $5200.
Availability absolutely has been a problem at times. I got my 5090 near launch and it was a bitch to get ahold of one. That was at $2,699. At current prices, they are available because most people can't afford to spend $5,000+ on a single PC component.
 
Dang, all the doomers coming out of the woodwork. The future will hold new products being produced and prices won't remain above reach for consumers. The superintelligence companies are losing money still, and only hardware makers are making money currently. Once the grift is up and rubber meets the road with investors, it will shift back again. What that timeframe is remains to be seen -- 6 months? 1 year? 2 years? We'll see. In the meantime, I'll enjoy all the products I currently own. Time passes fast, and we're currently in mid-1990's equivalent pricing for computer components, so it isn't something I haven't seen before.
 
Once the grift is up and rubber meets the road with investors...
...the taxpayers will bail these companies out. Without getting too soapboxy, the AI boom is arguably the only thing propping up the otherwise dreary economy, and it will not be allowed to fail. At least that's my entirely cynical prognostication.
 
...the taxpayers will bail these companies out. Without getting too soapboxy, the AI boom is arguably the only thing propping up the otherwise dreary economy, and it will not be allowed to fail. At least that's my entirely cynical prognostication.
The "AI" boom is pretty small in comparison to the other investments taking place in the economy right now. When the rubber meets the road, sure there will be a hit to the economy, but it is still only about half the size as the dot com bubble, where companies were overvalued by a few magnitudes more than they are today.
 
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PC gaming is officially cooked!
It’s not cooked, but I believe even more what I believed a few years ago, and that is that x86 gaming PCs are basically deadend now. I see more future in ARM / Mac than anything x86 and discrete graphics cards. I think there is also a good chance next gen consoles will be all ARM based given the drive to make them portable like the Switch. It doesn’t help that windows is just going to complete shit since Microsoft cares more about cloud now versus a desktop OS.

I fully expect my 5800x3d / 4080 desktop is basically my last discrete x86 build.
 
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As much as AMD is pushing toward AI too, I feel like this is the best opportunity they've had in a while to make some noise. We need something from them that can compete with a 5090. I honestly can't remember the last time I had an AMD card, but with the way things have gone I think the 5090 might be might last NV card for a long time (that's if AMD were to be able to produce something that could rival/beat whatever 6070Ti is actually available next time around).

I AMD can pull anything off, I will not be supporting NV for like the next decade or longer after how they piggybacked off the gaming market to get to where they are now, and then ultimately leaving it behind.
 
So they scrap the 5090 and "upgrade" the 5080 to 24 GB and nothing else. Couldn't be more obvious could they.
Anyway congrats 5090 owners, soon you'll be able able to sell your GPU and buy a house.
Lol, not quite, blackwell 6000 pro prices will act as a ceiling, it has 3x vram and 10% more cores.
 
With the AI grift possibly lasting years; I wonder how this will affect the 6xxx series. Since they are stopping production of the 5090 for gaming cards, one can speculate there won't be a "full chip" version aka "6090" card. This would mean a cut-down "6080" would be the top tier card of the series in 2027/2028. And typically the cut-down chip isn't faster than the previous full chip. IE: 6080 wouldn't be faster than the 5090.

As someone who has bought the fasted GPU upon release for some twenty plus years, that puts me down an unfamiliar path. It's possible the 5090 can be the fastest gaming GPU for quite some time. I may have this card for 5-10 years. For those that have video cards for a long time, how long can they last? What fails first? The fans? The power supply on the PCB? The chip itself?

My 5090 isn't over-volted but I do have the power limit set to 600w. The chip stays pretty cool for air, maxed around 70C. Any tips for longevity preservation? Should I lower the 600w max? Undervolt? I'd be willing to consider slightly less performance if it means the card lasts years longer.
 
I mean, my GTX 1080 Ti is still going strong, as well as my original GeForce 2 GTS and Voodoo Banshee. They can last, but it all depends on handling so you don't cause latent static damage, and also on component manufacturing defects. Heat is a factor for component longevity as long as they are ran within manufacturer specifications. Some components like electrolytic capacitors are only rated for x number of hours at x temperature, so keep that in mind.
 
My 5090 isn't over-volted but I do have the power limit set to 600w. The chip stays pretty cool for air, maxed around 70C. Any tips for longevity preservation? Should I lower the 600w max? Undervolt? I'd be willing to consider slightly less performance if it means the card lasts years longer.
Probably more appropriate to start a thread 'preserving your 5090' in the Nvidia GPU subforum. But, my 4K display is limited to 120Hz, and power limiting my 5090 to 85% very rarely causes fps in the games I play to drop below that. FWIW, the only 'modern' or graphically-demanding game I play is Space Marine 2 with the 4K texture pack.
 
Undervolt for sure. Significant power and heat reduction for insignificant performance loss. Lower fan noise. Greater peace of mind.

Ya I just found that if I select "use firmware control mode" in MSI afterburner for the fans, I can stop the fans at desktop/idle which should make them last a lot longer.
 
With the AI grift possibly lasting years; I wonder how this will affect the 6xxx series. Since they are stopping production of the 5090 for gaming cards, one can speculate there won't be a "full chip" version aka "6090" card. This would mean a cut-down "6080" would be the top tier card of the series in 2027/2028. And typically the cut-down chip isn't faster than the previous full chip. IE: 6080 wouldn't be faster than the 5090.

As someone who has bought the fasted GPU upon release for some twenty plus years, that puts me down an unfamiliar path. It's possible the 5090 can be the fastest gaming GPU for quite some time. I may have this card for 5-10 years. For those that have video cards for a long time, how long can they last? What fails first? The fans? The power supply on the PCB? The chip itself?

My 5090 isn't over-volted but I do have the power limit set to 600w. The chip stays pretty cool for air, maxed around 70C. Any tips for longevity preservation? Should I lower the 600w max? Undervolt? I'd be willing to consider slightly less performance if it means the card lasts years longer.
Just Stop. You are not going to have your 5090 for 10 years...Just stop
 
we're currently in mid-1990's equivalent pricing for computer components, so it isn't something I haven't seen before.
Let's debunk this one more time. $3,000 would get you a pretty top end rig in 1997. Fast forward to today, and that's about $6,200. For reference, I built the rig in my signature just shy of two years ago for about $6,500 give or take. However, at current prices that same machine would cost around $13,000.

My fucking ass we are in mid-1990's pricing.

All 5090's are listed for $6,800+. That's for a fucking refurbished 5090.
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=rtx+5090

Just for reference, the machine in my signature via PC Part Picker. Of course, you can easily shave that price down in a lot of areas with cheaper motherboards, case, less RAM, cheaper RAM, etc. But the point still stands. The same hardware available two years ago is more expensive than it was originally with few exceptions. Your looking at over $10,000 for a 5090 based PC with decent specs. It's not just the 5090's. 4TB SSD's are fucking retardedly expensive as is RAM. Even being generous and conceding that a top end rig in the 1990's could be as much as $5,000, you are looking at $10,500 roughly in 2026 when adjusted for inflation. Going with a slightly more balls out system configuration still gets me close to $14,000. The biggest differences are going larger and faster on storage, choosing the 9950X3D2, going for a nicer 5090, and then of course, more premium PSU and 64GB of RAM.

Disclaimer: I chose only products in stock at the time of this writing.

That's pretty similar conceptually to the differences between a $3,000 PC and a $5,000 PC in the mid-1990's too. Mostly storage, RAM, and CPU. VGA cards, etc. would have had more memory and been more expensive than the cheap ones back then too, but the difference was that isn't where the money went in the overall build.

To recap, adjusted for inflation a top end PC should cost around $6,500 to $10,500 using the $3,000 to $5,000 metric that's been the gold standard for what high end PC's have cost for decades. But I'll come back to that bit. Yet, those systems built for those prices are literally $12,000 to $14,000 for the same hardware that was available two fucking years ago for the most part. There are two other facets of this people aren't getting. That $3,000 to $5,000 number has stayed static despite inflation. Meaning, the price stayed the same without being adjusted for inflation. That's because for much of the last three decades, hardware has gotten cheaper. Not more expensive. It wasn't until around 2020 that this changed and the prices started going back up. The second thing is that product cycles for a given piece of hardware were typically shorter than they generally are now. That's not universally true, but generally holds true. For awhile we got a new CPU generation every other year with minor frequency and stepping improvements annually. We got new GPU's every six months (minor) and yearly for massive architectural leaps forward.

Even when we didn't have major hardware improvements, the hardware we bought got cheaper two years later. It didn't get more expensive. If you spent $600 on a GPU a decade ago, it wasn't more expensive than that two years later. The idea that we are paying 1990's pricing for hardware when adjusted for inflation is total bullshit. That metric is a fucking cop out anyway. Hardware (until recently) has generally gotten cheaper for most of the last 30 years with that $3,000-$5,000 price tag staying static and NOT increasing with inflation.

One More Thing:

Let's also add to the fact that housing and vehicle prices have been going up at a rate similar (if not worse), than what we saw between 1977 and 1980. The price increases for PC hardware hit harder because people have less discretionary spending money than they did a few years ago. Rapid and record setting inflation rates will do that. In essence, we are getting squeezed in every aspect of our finances so these price increases hit harder than they otherwise would.

To put that into perspective, the average truck cost around $4,100 in 1977. Adjusted for inflation that should be $22,000 or so in 2026. Now, go check your local stealership pricing on a basic half ton pickup. A base F-150 XL work truck trim, regular cab, 2WD truck starts at $37,000 new. For that you don't get a V8, you don't get 4WD. The only thing you really get you didn't get in 1977 is power windows and a bunch of other crap that artificially inflates the cost of the truck. Meanwhile, the average vehicle price in America is now over $50,000. This way outpaces inflation.

Want more? The mean home price in 1977 was $48,000. Today, it's $450,000. Adjusted for inflation, it should be $265,000.
 
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Just Stop. You are not going to have your 5090 for 10 years...Just stop

Well if you consider January it will be 2 years.. then 6xxx series rumored to be 2028, so say 3.5 years there, then the possibility that the 5090 being faster than whatever the fastest consumer 6xxx series is, another 3-4 years there. It's entirely plausible.
 
Could be 6 years if he's right about the top end 60 series not matching 5090 performance. I really hope that isn't the case. By 2031 who knows what PC gaming will even look like? I hope the PC hobby isn't dead. Gaming, like life, will go on. Probably.
 
Let's debunk this one more time. $3,000 would get you a pretty top end rig in 1997. Fast forward to today, and that's about $6,200. For reference, I built the rig in my signature just shy of two years ago for about $6,500 give or take. However, at current prices that same machine would cost around $13,000.

My fucking ass we are in mid-1990's pricing.

All 5090's are listed for $6,800+. That's for a fucking refurbished 5090.
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=rtx+5090

Just for reference, the machine in my signature via PC Part Picker. Of course, you can easily shave that price down in a lot of areas with cheaper motherboards, case, less RAM, cheaper RAM, etc. But the point still stands. The same hardware available two years ago is more expensive than it was originally with few exceptions. Your looking at over $10,000 for a 5090 based PC with decent specs. It's not just the 5090's. 4TB SSD's are fucking retardedly expensive as is RAM. Even being generous and conceding that a top end rig in the 1990's could be as much as $5,000, you are looking at $10,500 roughly in 2026 when adjusted for inflation. Going with a slightly more balls out system configuration still gets me close to $14,000. The biggest differences are going larger and faster on storage, choosing the 9950X3D2, going for a nicer 5090, and then of course, more premium PSU and 64GB of RAM.

Disclaimer: I chose only products in stock at the time of this writing.

That's pretty similar conceptually to the differences between a $3,000 PC and a $5,000 PC in the mid-1990's too. Mostly storage, RAM, and CPU. VGA cards, etc. would have had more memory and been more expensive than the cheap ones back then too, but the difference was that isn't where the money went in the overall build.

To recap, adjusted for inflation a top end PC should cost around $6,500 to $10,500 using the $3,000 to $5,000 metric that's been the gold standard for what high end PC's have cost for decades. But I'll come back to that bit. Yet, those systems built for those prices are literally $12,000 to $14,000 for the same hardware that was available two fucking years ago for the most part. There are two other facets of this people aren't getting. That $3,000 to $5,000 number has stayed static despite inflation. Meaning, the price stayed the same without being adjusted for inflation. That's because for much of the last three decades, hardware has gotten cheaper. Not more expensive. It wasn't until around 2020 that this changed and the prices started going back up. The second thing is that product cycles for a given piece of hardware were typically shorter than they generally are now. That's not universally true, but generally holds true. For awhile we got a new CPU generation every other year with minor frequency and stepping improvements annually. We got new GPU's every six months (minor) and yearly for massive architectural leaps forward.

Even when we didn't have major hardware improvements, the hardware we bought got cheaper two years later. It didn't get more expensive. If you spent $600 on a GPU a decade ago, it wasn't more expensive than that two years later. The idea that we are paying 1990's pricing for hardware when adjusted for inflation is total bullshit. That metric is a fucking cop out anyway. Hardware (until recently) has generally gotten cheaper for most of the last 30 years with that $3,000-$5,000 price tag staying static and NOT increasing with inflation.

One More Thing:

Let's also add to the fact that housing and vehicle prices have been going up at a rate similar (if not worse), than what we saw between 1977 and 1980. The price increases for PC hardware hit harder because people have less discretionary spending money than they did a few years ago. Rapid and record setting inflation rates will do that. In essence, we are getting squeezed in every aspect of our finances so these price increases hit harder than they otherwise would.
Well of course if you use out of stock components with a few 3rd party scalpers, you're going to max the price. But right now you can buy a prebuilt 9800X3D / 32GB DDR5 / 2TB SSD / RTX 5080 system for $3k. I literally just searched "gaming PC" and this was the first hit.

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Since they are stopping production of the 5090 for gaming cards
they have not killed the 5090 but merely diverted it to a different market

so even if a 6090 launches next year, it will be mostly for professionals rather than gamers
 
Well of course if you use out of stock components with a few 3rd party scalpers, you're going to max the price. But right now you can buy a prebuilt 9800X3D / 32GB DDR5 / 2TB SSD / RTX 5080 system for $3k. I literally just searched "gaming PC" and this was the first hit.

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Pre-built's are always cheaper due to the corners they cut. Do we really need to go there? Case is cheap shit, PSU is probably really cheap shit, RAM is going to be cheaper, slower and lower quality stuff. The motherboard is most certainly not of a premium variety. All of the money on that POS is spent on the GPU and CPU to make the specs look good on paper.

You also missed the part where I mentioned that I used only "in-stock" selections.
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Well of course if you use out of stock components with a few 3rd party scalpers, you're going to max the price. But right now you can buy a prebuilt 9800X3D / 32GB DDR5 / 2TB SSD / RTX 5080 system for $3k. I literally just searched "gaming PC" and this was the first hit.

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Do they have that with the Non-AI powered 32GB DDR5 ???
 
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