up-coming thermalright coolers

This is where they should have been 20 years ago, glad to see them kicking ass.
 
Thermalright is fantastic but they desperately need a team to handle their western marketing and product stack. The amount of similar products is ridiculous and is just serving to confuse people. Need a recommendation? PA120.. because I cannot be bothered to get a PHD in their entire product stack.
 
Really comes down to three things: price, noise, and space. Get one that meets your needs on all three, and you'll probably be happy. Or pick two categories and compare/compromise on the third if you are flexible.
 
Yum, can't wait. I think I'll be getting the soldered pretor.
 
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Has anyone heard about any current or upcoming Thermalright liquid cooling AIOs? Someone recently told me that one of them was parallel in performance to even the Arctic Liquid Freezer III , but I'd be surprised as I thought most of Thermalright's were (admittedly solidly priced) Asetek rebrands. Then again, apparently some asetek designs are quite good so maybe that's all right.
 
I have two of their AIOs.. honestly I have not seen anyone match or get lower temps than me with my hardware. I have had people say my sensors are broken. That's code for their cooling techniques are not as good as mine.
 
I'm running one of the 240s on my 5800x (would be a 280 except I can't fit it in the top of my case) and it's giving good temps. When I hit the thermal limit it's still boosting 200-300mhz higher than with the Scythe Fuma 2 I had previously. And I only hit the thermal limit on all core AVX loads. Otherwise I don't think it tops 75C when under an all core load.

The performance of the Thermalright AIOs is damn good as an absolute but when factoring in price they absolutely kill anything else. That said, I wouldn't expect the same longevity as other good AIOs. The pump they use is definitely not rated for as many hours as many others. If memory serves the MTBF for the pump is somewhere around 4.5 years.

I would also note that with the 240 AIO I have, the fans have a seriously irritating buzzing type noise when near the max speed of the fans. If I had to guess it would be in the 80%-90% fan speed range. The noise disappears at 100% which is what I leave all my fans running at anyway. This noise could be an inherent issue of the fans or it could be a one off thing for the fans I have. If the noise had continued all the way to 100% I would have simply replaced them with some spare Arctic Cooling PWM PST 120mm fans I have sitting around. Even if I'd had to buy a couple of Arctic's 120mm fans the overall price still would have been lower than anything in its performance range.

One last thing to keep in mind with regards to the Arctic Cooling Liquid Freezer IIIs is that on Ryzen the Liquid Freezer III will almost always perform better because of Arctic's offset mounting for Ryzen. I don't consider that a con against the Thermalright AIOs but it's something to keep in mind.
 
Thanks for your input all.
SmokeRngs said:
I'm running one of the 240s on my 5800x (would be a 280 except I can't fit it in the top of my case) and it's giving good temps. When I hit the thermal limit it's still boosting 200-300mhz higher than with the Scythe Fuma 2 I had previously. And I only hit the thermal limit on all core AVX loads. Otherwise I don't think it tops 75C when under an all core load.

The performance of the Thermalright AIOs is damn good as an absolute but when factoring in price they absolutely kill anything else. That said, I wouldn't expect the same longevity as other good AIOs. The pump they use is definitely not rated for as many hours as many others. If memory serves the MTBF for the pump is somewhere around 4.5 years.
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How does one know which of their models are the most performant, feature heavy, newest etc..? Even of all the models they are not yet listed as legacy/retired, they're currently offering 40+ AIOs on their page even if you filter exclusively for 360mm rads! Some models are obviously very similar variants in terms of color, ARGB etc.... but how does one know about the differences between Mjolnir Vision, Frozen Warframe PRO, and Frozen Vision, Frozen Notte, Frozen Guardian etc.. series when each product page seems to have limited specifics?
SmokeRngs said:
I would also note that with the 240 AIO I have, the fans have a seriously irritating buzzing type noise when near the max speed of the fans. If I had to guess it would be in the 80%-90% fan speed range. The noise disappears at 100% which is what I leave all my fans running at anyway. This noise could be an inherent issue of the fans or it could be a one off thing for the fans I have. If the noise had continued all the way to 100% I would have simply replaced them with some spare Arctic Cooling PWM PST 120mm fans I have sitting around. Even if I'd had to buy a couple of Arctic's 120mm fans the overall price still would have been lower than anything in its performance range.
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Good to know - I hear good things about the inexpensive and powerful Arctic P series that contend with fans 2x-3x their prices. I hear the P12 Max and P14 Max revisions are even better; kind of odd that Arctic didn't equip their Liquid Freezer III AIO with them, but maybe the Max variants are just a little too new and/or ARGB versions aren't ready yet.
SmokeRngs said:
One last thing to keep in mind with regards to the Arctic Cooling Liquid Freezer IIIs is that on Ryzen the Liquid Freezer III will almost always perform better because of Arctic's offset mounting for Ryzen. I don't consider that a con against the Thermalright AIOs but it's something to keep in mind.
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This is actually the reason I'm seeking out a backup, possibly Thermalright - the LFIII's offset mount combined with the tubing location on the LFIII might not be compatible with my Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme because of a tall heatsink/OLED display right below the socket.
 
RanceJustice said:
Thanks for your input all.

How does one know which of their models are the most performant, feature heavy, newest etc..? Even of all the models they are not yet listed as legacy/retired, they're currently offering 40+ AIOs on their page even if you filter exclusively for 360mm rads! Some models are obviously very similar variants in terms of color, ARGB etc.... but how does one know about the differences between Mjolnir Vision, Frozen Warframe PRO, and Frozen Vision, Frozen Notte, Frozen Guardian etc.. series when each product page seems to have limited specifics?

Good to know - I hear good things about the inexpensive and powerful Arctic P series that contend with fans 2x-3x their prices. I hear the P12 Max and P14 Max revisions are even better; kind of odd that Arctic didn't equip their Liquid Freezer III AIO with them, but maybe the Max variants are just a little too new and/or ARGB versions aren't ready yet.

This is actually the reason I'm seeking out a backup, possibly Thermalright - the LFIII's offset mount combined with the tubing location on the LFIII might not be compatible with my Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme because of a tall heatsink/OLED display right below the socket.
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I have no complaints with the P120 and P140 Arctic fans. Between my son and myself we probably have 10+ of them in use at the moment and haven't had a single one go bad. I've been using them for several years now. Even if the performance was a bit worse with them I'd still get them because of the price. I'm unwilling to pay 2-3x as much for fans that might be 5% better. I used 7k, 8k and 9k Delta 60mm fans back in the day. Multiple full speed Arctic 120mm and 140mm fans are effectively silent as far as I'm concerned. It's a low hum in the background I hardly ever notice and helps cover up the ringing in my ears.

I haven't tried the P12 Max or P14 Max fans but I'd love to except that I don't need anymore fans now and I'm not spending money just for the hell of it.

Thermalright AIOs suffer the same problem as many of their heatsinks; there are a ton of models with hardly any differences between the models. The AIO I have is the Frozen Edge 240 White. I had checked some reviews on this specific model which were really good so I went with it. The only reason for the white version was because it was a few $ cheaper than the black. I don't care what it looks like (it doesn't match anything else in my case) so a few dollars were saved. It can be difficult to figure out what is what with the AIOs because it's not always obvious what the difference is between models. Besides the obvious white/black or RGB/ARGB/no RGB the most obvious difference between some of them are the fans used. I'm not even sure the different fans matter with regards to sound or cooling performance. I'd guess most of the other differences are quite minor. As I said before, I went with the Frozen Edge line because that's the one used in a couple of reviews I checked out and they raved about them.

The main caveat with Thermalright AIOs is that they haven't been around very long so there's no long term data on how well they hold up over time. For the price I simply didn't care. Even two years of use out of it would make it worth the money.
 
pendragon1 said:
thats not even the case anymore. your pay 3x+ for fans that perform worse. TR's TL-C12C-S outperforms the noctua A12, and theyre 3 for $20CAN vs 1 for $38.
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Eh? I haven't seen any reviews claiming such a thing. and I also haven't experienced it while using Thermalright products.

Their heatsinks are really good. Especially with how well they attach the heatpipes, which IMO is how they are beating their competition's otherwise larger heatsinks and/or heatsinks which come with generally better fans.

Their fans are good performers when it comes to moving air and getting good temps. But, they are very average on noise level for that performance. And they also can often have resonance issues or general quality issues like bearing noises, ticking, etc.

What you hopefully get with an expensive fan from Noctua, Be Quiet, Phanteks, Thermaltake, etc: is best or near best for moving air and for static pressure-----while also keeping the noise lower than average, while doing it. Additionally, you tend to get less resonance issues, ticking, bearing noses, etc. Especially with Be Quiet.

Thermalright's heatsinks are really good. Which means you don't need the very best fan to get great overall performance. Their fans also help keep the total price so low. However, if you switch to the best expensive fans, you do generally get a bit better temperature peformance, and quite a bit better noise experience. Which can matter, to a scrutinizing buyer. However, that scrutinizing buyer can generally buy a Thermalright product-----and some of the competition's better, aftermarket fans; still spend less than the competition's complete solutions and result in the best overall experience.

Its a double-win for Thermalright. They have an amazing price/performance for people on a budget. But, they also get a sale to the min/max crowd. Because their heatsinks are either the best or on par.
 
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My last 3 air cooler purchases have all been thermalright and they perform a lot better than I expected. Their mounting surfaces are by far the best I've seen for finish and flatness.
 
End users gotta pay for all the research, and testing Noctua does. While Thermalright just takes whatever sticks to the wall. And if you've been paying attention, AMD's 9600x, and 9700x CPU's are 65 watts. You don't need a $150 CPU cooler for that.
 
NightReaver said:
Which is all fine and dandy. Until you realize all of that research and engineering gets you at best a similar product to the one that didn't do all of that. Looks really wasteful in the end.
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It wouldn't be as bad if they took their heads out of their ass and just released fans in black to begin with rather than arguing that the dye properties and whatever cause it to need add'l development time vs the tan and brown ones, nobody wants those noctua lol.
 
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It wouldn't be as bad if they took their heads out of their ass and just released fans in black to begin with rather than arguing that the dye properties and whatever cause it to need add'l development time vs the tan and brown ones, nobody wants those noctua lol.
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Did they really say that?
 
THUMPer said:
Something about having different factories, and not being able to get the dye color/shade the same between all factories. So you could potentially have different hues of blacks because the fans were from different factories.
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All those engineering bux, can't do black plastic right.

Amazing.
 
regardless of what you say, noctua is still the best in terms of performance ratio, decibels, quality, support and everything else. They give the longest warranty on their coolers and fans.
I advertised their fan and they sent me a new one without any problems, it was a domestic company that deals only with noctua products.
Another thing, EKWB, noctua and thermalright are not competitors, they are a completely different product segment.
noctua, premium air coolers
thermalright mainstream segment, wide consumption
EKWB premium water cooling
 
Strange bird said:
regardless of what you say, noctua is still the best in terms of performance ratio, decibels, quality, support and everything else. They give the longest warranty on their coolers and fans.
I advertised their fan and they sent me a new one without any problems, it was a domestic company that deals only with noctua products.
Another thing, EKWB, noctua and thermalright are not competitors, they are a completely different product segment.
noctua, premium air coolers
thermalright mainstream segment, wide consumption
EKWB premium water cooling
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regardless of youre beliefs, they are not.
"i advertised their fan" ah so youre on payroll, that make this make more sense. can you now please stop fucking up my thread?! go start a "i work for nocuta and they are the best ever" thread of your own....
no shit sherlock. no idea what point you think that is making.
 
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pendragon1 said:
regardless of youre beliefs, they are not.
"i advertised their fan" ah so youre on payroll, that make this make more sense. can you now please stop fucking up my thread?! go start a "i work for nocuta and they are the best ever" thread of your own....
no shit sherlock. no idea what point you think that is making.
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that's no reason at all
yes, noctua cooler,fan and everything else they produce is better than thermalright
I'm not buying a cooler, but no one has given proof that thermalright, ekwb and noctua are not related to the same owner
I don't know what your problem is and why you hate noctua, nobody hates your thermalright
so, antagonize
 
Strange bird said:
that's no reason at all
yes, noctua cooler,fan and everything else they produce is better than thermalright
I'm not buying a cooler, but no one has given proof that thermalright, ekwb and noctua are not related to the same owner
I don't know what your problem is and why you hate noctua, nobody hates your thermalright
so, antagonize
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wat?
no, its not and its shown in multiple threads around here. they do have a shinier box though.
why should we provide proof against your bullshit claim that you are basing on a linkdin post? you made the claim, admitted that you cant back it up, and are still arguing it? thats plain stupid.
same, no idea wtf your prob is that you keep preaching how theyre the best, when they arent. no one here hates noctua, most of us have used their products. they just are not what you claim...
yes, yes you are.
 
Strange bird said:
that's no reason at all
yes, noctua cooler,fan and everything else they produce is better than thermalright
I'm not buying a cooler, but no one has given proof that thermalright, ekwb and noctua are not related to the same owner
I don't know what your problem is and why you hate noctua, nobody hates your thermalright
so, antagonize
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You still haven't explained how Noctua is better when TR has better performance, price, and can have better noise levels while still outperforming them. The TR fans aren't as good but the complete package is better which is what matters and you can always spend a portion of the money saved on new fans that will just widen the performance gap even more.

It doesn't seem to me like anyone here hates Noctua unless it has to do with their traditional color scheme, the negative comments are centered around the price especially as compared to their competition. Most agree that they make good products and they've had a good reputation for years but that doesn't mean that they're worth the price premium they're demanding, especially when their competition is beating them in every tangible manner except OOB noise levels while under a rare(usually synthetic) load and doing it at a third of the price.

If you want to talk Noctua you should really keep it in the best air coolers thread or start your own for Noctua instead of hijacking this thread. I came in here hoping to see new info on the new TR coolers not this.
 
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