The perfect 4K 43” monitor! Soon! Asus XG438Q ROG

burt1972 said:
i see little ghosting, but its acceptable for me.
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What about on the desktop? Is ghosting noticeable there in any way?

My only experience with VA ghosting is on my Samsung 4K TV and it's honestly not too bad even playing console games at 30 fps, certainly not enough to ruin my experience or anything, mostly noticeable in dark sections.

Also have you tried or can you try the Picture by picture mode? I understand it limits you to 60 Hz but I'm curious how well it works with two computers connected in split screen. Might be possible to replicate this with DP and HDMI outs from the same GPU as they should show up as separate displays then.
 
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Mine is finally here, but won't have time atleast for the next few days till I can try her out ;(

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kasakka said:
What about on the desktop? Is ghosting noticeable there in any way?
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My biggest VA panel issue for a monitor, is the contrast shifting. It actually gave me a headache, so I had to ditch VA for IPS.

It doesn't bother me on a TV since you have to be close to really get the effect. So I have an IPS monitor, and VA TV.
 
kasakka said:
What about on the desktop? Is ghosting noticeable there in any way?

My only experience with VA ghosting is on my Samsung 4K TV and it's honestly not too bad even playing console games at 30 fps, certainly not enough to ruin my experience or anything, mostly noticeable in dark sections.

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i see ghosting only on desktop and fast scrolling. i cant see it in games :)
 
And you have to place this monitor on big desktop. on smaller ones theres a problem with not so good pva angles. My dessktop is really big, so i am perfectly happy with a 43 inch monitor
 
burt1972 said:
i see ghosting only on desktop and fast scrolling. i cant see it in games :)
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Easiest test is here:

https://testufo.com/mprt

Set your monitor to 120 Hz and adjust the Pixels Per Frame (Change This Value) number up and down until the blurred white square appears to be the same size as the black square. Then you report back the MPRT number.
 
Snowdog said:
My biggest VA panel issue for a monitor, is the contrast shifting. It actually gave me a headache, so I had to ditch VA for IPS.

It doesn't bother me on a TV since you have to be close to really get the effect. So I have an IPS monitor, and VA TV.
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This is a 43" so really should be around 3' away imo. My eyeballs are 38" - 40" from my screens right now. (I could sit some inches closer to a single one but since it's an array I'm a few inches farther out for more overall usability).

I'd expect better.shifting angle if you use it a comfortable distance, assuming you have a wide enough desk, use an extra desk butted up against another, or mount the monitor further off the desk on a pillar or a wall mount. (Larger station or screen apart battle station layouts). A highly adjustable monitor arm also helps with regard to shift, and then sitting in the spot you aligned it to.

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My 32" VA gaming screen has way more shift at close distances than either of my 43inch-tvs-as-monitors do so it's not universally the same.. and those are much bigger displays so it would be more apparent. You can't judge all VAs as the same level of shift.
The same goes for black smearing. The 32 GK850G has one of the best overdrive implementations, many other VA gaming screens have worse overdrive (reference the tft central 32gk850g review , Lim's Cave GK850G video review). While you can judge whether they have any or not, You can't judge all VAs as the same range or % of black smearing.

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burt1972 said:
i see ghosting only on desktop and fast scrolling. i cant see it in games :)
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That's probably for the reasons I cited in my last few comments - the desktop has an overabundance of frames delivered so you are pushing 120fps filling the 120hz of display refreshes 100% of the time. Unless you are gaming at 120fps solid, your lower frame rates are going to fall from the 50% blur reduction (compared to 60fps) and added motion definition (double the # of frames shown).

The field of blur around everything moving at speed will overshadow black overshoot/smear at lower frame rate ranges. Even at say 80 fps you would probably be a graph of 50 <<80>>110 so the blended graph of frame rate wouldn't result in anything anywhere near as tight in image clarity as the monitor is capable of.

I'm very interested in tftcentral's take on this monitor since they have been vocal about how much better some VA overdrive implementations are compared to others.
 
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shadow2761 said:
I don't understand what all this lingo is. Does that mean the XG43 will be any good? lol
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its very good monitor in 1000-1100 euro price range. nothing can compete with it.
show me another 43/120 hz monitor :)
Acer will cost 1500 and who knows when will be available.

btw i figured out hdr not working in 8 bit - it was older version win10; after update everything works ok. but still i cant set 10 bit above 60 hz. strange, theres even option below 98hz to choose 10 bit, but it always reverts to 8 bit :(

about ghosting - i cant test it beacause edge does not work in 120hz mode - this is info from suggested earlier webside. At 100 i also dont know how to read result.
 
I was just saying that how much the VA shift is on the edges or corners (a gradient shading/darkening effect most noticeable on bright solid fields of color at the screen edges) varies a lot between different models and manufacturers, and is made worse by sitting too close to the screen.

I also said that you will get regular sample and hold viewport blur anyway, so that will eclipse black smearing while gaming unless you are keeping your frame rate very high which is pretty hard to do at 4k resolution.

- that is unless you are keeping near 120fps at 120hz ceiling much of the time (and not at 60 to 80 fps average or worse). The desktop outside of games pretty much always provides more than 120fps solid so any black smearing on the worst dark transitions could be more evident there on the desktop where the sample and hold blur has been cut down by half, so it isn't obscuring the black smearing with regular sample and hold blur as much anymore.
So I was explaining why the desktop showed some dark smearing and most likely why it wasn't really noticeable in games.



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Vega said:
Not sure why everyone is always worried about 10-bit color. Really only useful for HDR and professional applications where colors are critical and you have a full 10-bit workflow. I don't think anyone is buying this gaming display for the latter.

DP 1.4 can do 98 Hz 10-bit Full RGB HDR (or 4:4:4). If you drop that down to 8-bit, you can get 120 Hz.
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It's really not important today with the shittastic desktop HDR support we have, but if buying a monitor today I'd prefer to be able to use it at 10bit for everything... eventually.
 
bananadude said:
The hopes of many reside with you. If you're disappointed, we ALL will be... so don't be, or it's all your fault!
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But what if I am evil and just say it is great even if it isn't, just so everybody else burns with me? mwahahaha!
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jkz jkz,
I wouldn't do that. ill report back soon.
 
This was the 3rd monitor on my "next gen monitor" lineup so I'm hoping the TFT Central review reveals good news as the future DSC model with full 1000 HDR should follow but with better specs. The other 2 monitors on my list don't seem to live up to the hype....

#1 - Alienware 55 OLED - $4k (too much), no HDR (not paying $4k for a monitor in late 2019 and it doesn't even freaking have HDR), no HDMI 2.1 for future console use, no Gsync option = DUD
#2 - Asus PG35/Acer X35 - $2.5k (still too much, but bearable), confirmed flickering issues with potential firmware fix (aka, another x27 fiasco), loud fan reported by some (again), crappy FALD halo (known issue w/ technology), other misc. issues & quality control problems, still would rather have 4k 16:9 120hz since that's the new standard = PARTIAL DUD
#3 - This monitor (but the HDR 1000 version) - Blah on the FreeSync 2 HDR but as long as it works 100% with Nvidia cards I'm ok. Keeping fingers crossed that the edge lit HDR is decent vs FALD, and everything else playing nice for this to be my next monitor...
 
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I watched a video in which the Dell rep said the Alienware OLED has DHDR 400 True black. So it will process the HDR image, just 400 nits peak brightness. OLED with DHDR 400 TB will still look better than an edge lit HDR1000 LCD. G-Sync also doesn't matter since OLED pixels are super fast, you don't need variable "overdrive". Just regular adaptive sync will work just as good, which it has.

I'm just pissed I cannot get one here on the dark side of the moon!
 
At this point I'll probably wait for the DSC model to see how it reviews.

I need 2 dental implants anyways.
 
So tempting to pull the trigger on one of these badass displays... I just want to see more in depth reviews before I spend the dough.
 
I had a very quick fire up of mine today.

VA panel quality looks nice, but I did notice edge lighting on the bottom left corner, and alot of ghosting even in-game.

But I have not changed any settings from factory yet, am I suppose to configure stuff?

I will attempt to play around with it a bit more in a few days time.
 
shadow2761 said:
I had a very quick fire up of mine today.

VA panel quality looks nice, but I did notice edge lighting on the bottom left corner, and alot of ghosting even in-game.

But I have not changed any settings from factory yet, am I suppose to configure stuff?

I will attempt to play around with it a bit more in a few days time.
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It will very likely be an overdrive setting or something in the menu which determines ghosting. It shouldn't be fixed, I've never known that... doesn't mean it can't be bad, but that's very much down to the panel.
 
How's the ridiculous Aura Sync light included with the display? Do you think it could be modified to not show some stupid ROG logo? I am wondering if it could be used to say reflect a bias light off the wall or something just to make it actually useful somehow.
 
bananadude said:
It will very likely be an overdrive setting or something in the menu which determines ghosting. It shouldn't be fixed, I've never known that... doesn't mean it can't be bad, but that's very much down to the panel.
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I know that on my LG GK850G, the highest overdrive setting is recommended because it is an exceptionally high quality overdrive which doesn't suffer from bad overshoot. That is counter to the medium overdrive settings (or high rather than "very high"/"extreme") recommended for most high hz monitors in the past. Make sure you are using the recommended overdrive settings or experiment for yourself to find the one with the best result.

So I am saying that I wouldn't rule the highest OD settings out right away. Just be aware that the all of the other current VA panels prior to the one I mentioned had worse overdrive including an ASUS VA model and several other comparable models by other manufacturers. The response time of the panel itself matters a lot too obviously.


This is a big reason that I am looking forward to the TFTcentral review of this panel - their measurements and take on the quality of the OD implementation and how well it works to minimize black smearing, and hopefully some comments on how it compares to the overdrive on the LG GK850G.
 
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shadow2761 said:
I had a very quick fire up of mine today.

VA panel quality looks nice, but I did notice edge lighting on the bottom left corner, and alot of ghosting even in-game.

But I have not changed any settings from factory yet, am I suppose to configure stuff?

I will attempt to play around with it a bit more in a few days time.
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In the hardwarecanucks video I posted, I believe they talk about a performance tipping point that introduces ghosting, you might need to lower some settings.
 
kasakka said:
How's the ridiculous Aura Sync light included with the display? Do you think it could be modified to not show some stupid ROG logo? I am wondering if it could be used to say reflect a bias light off the wall or something just to make it actually useful somehow.
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I find all that shit as annoying and just turn it off.

I bought two of those LEDs about 5yrs back that reflected off the wall in-sync with games. Nice gimmick but got tired of it very quickly.
 
Wag said:
I find all that shit as annoying and just turn it off.

I bought two of those LEDs about 5yrs back that reflected off the wall in-sync with games. Nice gimmick but got tired of it very quickly.
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I find bias lighting, even static light to be pretty useful so I figured if the Aura Sync light could be harnessed for that instead of just showing some ROG logo on a table then it would be better than just throwing it into a box never to see light of day again.
 
kasakka said:
I find bias lighting, even static light to be pretty useful so I figured if the Aura Sync light could be harnessed for that instead of just showing some ROG logo on a table then it would be better than just throwing it into a box never to see light of day again.
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I have it on my LG, and... the color isn't even close to the 'warm white' that I want. I leave it on because it's better than nothing, but only just.

If the lighting is actually RGB and can be dialed in to a warmer white then that's actually pretty useful for bias lighting, and yeah, bias lighting is great.
 
Vega said:
I watched a video in which the Dell rep said the Alienware OLED has DHDR 400 True black. So it will process the HDR image, just 400 nits peak brightness. OLED with DHDR 400 TB will still look better than an edge lit HDR1000 LCD. G-Sync also doesn't matter since OLED pixels are super fast, you don't need variable "overdrive". Just regular adaptive sync will work just as good, which it has.

I'm just pissed I cannot get one here on the dark side of the moon!
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Sigh...maybe Dell will make next years model the proper LG HDR, HDMI 2.1, possible G-Sync, and possible 48" screen size that LG may come out with in 2020. The technology is already here TODAY to make that monitor HDMI 2.1 & full HDR but Dell nerfed it....and ruined it....I would have even paid 4k for it but no way I'm paying 4k for previous generation technology.

I love me some glossy/semi-glossy screens such as this Alienware OLED. I was on the Apple Cinema Display 27" 1440p IPS for several years and only moved on to matte screens once I experienced G-Sync & 120hz.
 
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kasakka said:
How's the ridiculous Aura Sync light included with the display? Do you think it could be modified to not show some stupid ROG logo? I am wondering if it could be used to say reflect a bias light off the wall or something just to make it actually useful somehow.
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IdiotInCharge said:
I have it on my LG, and... the color isn't even close to the 'warm white' that I want. I leave it on because it's better than nothing, but only just.

If the lighting is actually RGB and can be dialed in to a warmer white then that's actually pretty useful for bias lighting, and yeah, bias lighting is great.
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My LG GK850G has a big lighting ring on the back of it which might be what you are talking about. A wheel on the osd controls what color it is set to. Works pretty well for a cool blue, but my walls are blue so your mileage may vary there. I'd find that type of ring light on the back a lot more useful than the tiny aura sync projector.

Previously on my 27" monitor, I had stick on led strip bias lighting. I found it works better if you cut up some strong patches of velcro into small strips and connect it with that instead of relying on it's own glue however, as monitors tend to be warm and the default glue wasn't very strong compared to the coiled memory of the strip and it's own weight.

As for the asus rog aura sync mini projector, it'd be nice if they had different logo/design filters you could swap in to the spotlight but that's not possible as far as I can tell.

https://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-Spotlight/

how to disable: https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1009854/

There are mini LED spotlights for sale fairly cheap that do a round spot of color without a logo,
or you could go nuts and get an actual LED logo projector like a 15w or 20w GOBO logo projector for $140 (incl one custom logo) if you were into it that much. There are also some ~$15 logo projecting car lights made for under cars or off of the bottom of car doors that could work with some wiring to a wall wart or usb power perhaps.
 
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Snowdog said:
My biggest VA panel issue for a monitor, is the contrast shifting. It actually gave me a headache, so I had to ditch VA for IPS.

It doesn't bother me on a TV since you have to be close to really get the effect. So I have an IPS monitor, and VA TV.
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It bothered me a lot on TV. The viewing angles thanks to it were horrible. Then there was something weird going on with the colours... Just didn't look right. Also dark tones looked bad thanks to black crush. And response times? Hah.

I now have recent Philips IPS TV and I have hard time noticing the contrast difference in normally lit room. Colours, response time and viewing angles are on another level.

I just couldn't imagine buying VA as PC display now that I've used IPS/PLS for quite some time now.



(By the way, Philips ambilight is awesome. Random RGB bling though........)
 
Necere said:
Did I misunderstand you then? Sounded like you were saying PLS is another name for VA.
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No, that it was an evolution of VA into more of an IPS-type panel. Samsung has definitely improved PLS, of course, but upon release it had the same faults as their VA tech where massive amounts of overdrive alongside associated input lag were required in order to keep the smearing down.

I wouldn't turn down PLS in a modern display, but the first few generations were detrimental to gaming.
 
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