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Does ram speed or core count affect cache speed? your L1 and L2 cache speed is 200 higher then mine . On my 2600X your clock speed during your test is only 100mhz higher so wouldnt be the reason for the big gap.
I fully agree. Problem is that most of the people, like extreme overclockers, who are the most suited for creating a guide like this.... aren't willing to share the finer details on this stuff *sigh* Reason they are vague or just flat out remain tight lipped (with the except of The Stilt), is because they participate in competitions where they can win quite a bit of money (either actual, or through winning high end hardware). Therefore, these secrets are what gets them those winsA clear guide on both terms and flows between relationships would significantly; in my opinion, help many people with extracting max Performance/Efficiency from their DDR!!
I fully agree. Problem is that most of the people, like extreme overclockers, who are the most suited for creating a guide like this.... aren't willing to share the finer details on this stuff ...................
2700X on C7H @ 4.050Ghz with 1.232(1.256 VID) Volts Using P-State Overclocking. SOC 1.107V
Flare X 3200, 14-14-14-14-28-48-260-1T @ 3466 With 1.400V And Geardown enabled.
It is hours on end 100% load encoding stable and I'm still dialing in the all core overclock.
Excellent subs @ those speeds! - nice underlying IF speedup, I can feel those! ; can not get my ( 14-15-14-14-27... ) CAS 15 down, no matter what i try........; all types of " Voodoo" nonsense... Ehhh!
Stopped there.
Excellent subs @ those speeds! - nice underlying IF speedup, I can feel those! ; can not get my ( 14-15-14-14-27... ) CAS 15 down, no matter what i try........; all types of " Voodoo" nonsense... Ehhh!
Stopped there.
I've tried a bit faster on ram speed and even gotten into Windows as high as 3600 but any stress and it crashes instantly. I've found the limit of my ram at 1.40 volts to be around 3501. Im sure the board, CPU IMC, & the ram will go higher with more voltage but I keep my gear for a long time so I go towards longevity instead of getting every last drop out of it.
the only guides i used are the tutorials for Ryzen memory calculator (the youtube video in the FAQ section) and I watched the two hr video of buildzoids regarding memory overclocking on hte gigabyte K7, and lots of pain and suffering and windows OS installs... you cant really make a guide because of too many variables considered, mostly cooling, motherboard choice, and chosen memory kit. I wont even deal with those that chose to run hynix or micron memory because they simply arent friendly or tweakable in comparison to b die..Ryzen Timing checker is a great way to share your settings but every time I share my RTC with someone else they cant run the same settings... and Ryzen memory calculator takes it a step too far and wants you to change a bunch of settings that will simply brick your board, so it takes some hand on and some knowledge to know what to change and what not to change...
buildzoids ryzen memory overclocking video (CAUTION VERY LONG)
Ryzen memory calculator video (disregard any settings on the far right they will brick your board)
Ryzen memory calculator video (disregard any settings on the far right they will brick your board)
the only guides i used are the tutorials for Ryzen memory................
buildzoids ryzen memory overclocking video
Ryzen memory calculator video
Be sure to run AIDA's Stress Test on "Cache" and "System Memory" to make sure it is actually stable.Dude Thanks for videos, WILL try to get something out of them.........
As an aside ........, do not know what i changed in bios ( ...cant be setting NB=1.2v, [email protected], autoSub@everything...., Maybe -12VOCExpander @10A, mins for overvolt protection, max for undervolt protection, enhanced setting on other two, LLC=1 for both....., think thats everthing..! ).... Voodoo, i say......................., so currently @ 3533! View attachment 144737
Where before, would boot but like Nobu, BSOD, System-Halt error, Whea etc, etc......, at first application of load across system!
Pissed Off! dudes, DONT know whats going on......................:-(
I didn't have any issues using ryzen memory calc with my hynix memory (other than the usual instability from my GigaB x370 Gaming K5). All (available) settings worked great, and my memory screams at 2933c14-15-14 (right up until it BSODs).
I bricked a Gigabyte Gaming AX370 usingf hte far right column at 1.7vddrYou talking about these??
Cuz I think claiming they'll BRICK your motherboard (or RAM) is quite a stretch.
If you meant "Calculate EXTREME", that wouldn't really, either, but its RAM voltage it suggests definitely could fry your modules over time.
The DRAM Voltage and SOC Voltage suggestions are safe and quite helpful though.
That being said, personally, I've had zero luck trying the "Misc Items", "Termination Block Ohms" and "CAD_BUS Block Ohms" on my Titanium. Those for me have always resulted in a speed that would at the very least POST, now fail to POST, which is a bummer.
the AHOC helped most of all, its more about theory then walking someone through it...the same could be said of any kind of overclocking since you have the silicon lottery and a million other variables, Im glad you got something out of it... 3533 isnt a hard thing to do, just have to be daring with the voltsDude Thanks for videos, WILL try to get something out of them.........
As an aside ........, do not know what i changed in bios ( ...cant be setting NB=1.2v, [email protected], autoSub@everything...., Maybe -12VOCExpander @10A, mins for overvolt protection, max for undervolt protection, enhanced setting on other two, LLC=1 for both....., think thats everthing..! ).... Voodoo, i say......................., so currently @ 3533!
Where before, would boot but like Nobu, BSOD, System-Halt error, Whea etc, etc......, at first application of load across system!
Pissed Off! dudes, DONT know whats going on......................:-(
the AHOC helped most of all, its more about theory then walking someone through it...
patience is a virtueThanks. Gah, why a video? I don't suppose there's a transcript? anyway I'll check it out, thanks.
Especially with overclocking.patience is a virtue
I would've loved to hear the autopsy report on that board. I get the feeling this was a fringe situation and unlikely to manifest itself too often. I say this because these are, of course, settings that the manufacturers provide, so they'll have to have run tons of tests of their own.I bricked a Gigabyte Gaming AX370 usingf hte far right column at 1.7vddr
patience is a virtue
The board was functional, but vecamEspecially with overclocking.
However, I think he meant in terms of being easier to both understand in text, as well as reference when applying the provided info.
I would've loved to hear the autopsy report on that board. I get the feeling this was a fringe situation and unlikely to manifest itself too often. I say this because these are, of course, settings that the manufacturers provide, so they'll have to have run tons of tests of their own.
For that matter, I can't help but think that it was more the 1.7V being fed to the DDR as the cause, given how extreme that is outside of sub-zero runs. In other words, a faulty component in the power delivery chain.
I presume everything else survived the board bricking; CPU and RAM still work fine?
Also, did the board power up but simply fail to POST, or did nothing happen when the power button was pushed?
Do you have a kit of 4? Cuz you only have 2 selected in the program (DIMM Modules). Whether or not that'll change anything, I dunno.Well shit, That's what I went with anyways. Saw little gains over stock right now, but still tweaking.
I figured it was right there in front of me. In more of a hurry to fiddle with stuff than anything.
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Are you suggesting it needs more SoC Voltage due to dropping the primary timings, or you just feel it's a little low in general?needs more soc voltage..trc is a bit low... ive found cl13 to be waste of time... 14 is really the sweet spot then lower your trc as far as you can...
im enjoying this btw...
I would check windows' error log (forget which one) for memory errors. Sometimes, stuttering or general slowness can indicate memory instability, but errors in the log would be a dead giveaway.Are you suggesting it needs more SoC Voltage due to dropping the primary timings, or you just feel it's a little low in general?
Once upon a time I would disagree, as on much older BIOS versions I was perfectly stable at just 1.0V; however, these latest ones are a whole new beast. I'm suspect to think it's on account of the AGESA, but I really don't know.
How do you mean my tRC is low? It's actually higher than the age-old equation of tRP+tRAS=tRC. Once upon a time, I had huge issues getting it lower than that 54 with stability, despite it being higher than the math suggested. Though last night I applied what it 'should' be, 43, and things were otherwise fine. No change in stability for the good, but no change for the bad, either. On that note, I'm annoyed at MSI (or AMD?) for making the tCWL locked to evens, even with GearDownMode disabled. I'd like to have it at 13, but am forced to have it at 12 (I forgot to change that in my previous screenshot, which I'll address right now).
I'll have to try CL14 to compare, but one thing I did feel changed when it came to Fallout 76 was less microstutter and general frame drop. I'm not sure if it's my ancient Win10 version, changes to the game, or my GPU, but it's definitely not as smooth as I think it should be (or once was, which is why I question patches having screwed things up).
lol What aspect are you enjoying? My adventures in futility? The fact my tires are spinning but I seem to be going nowhere... haha
I know my lack of knowledge is holding me back somewhat, but I also feel like one of my hardware components may also be.
Honestly, I'd rather get 3333 stable, vs even something insane like CL10, because I'm not seeing any bandwidth change (or Infinity Fabric for that matter) via timings. Going to 3333 bumps Reads by 3000mb/s, Writes by 1500-2000mb/s and Copy by 1000-1500mb/s (with my very slightly relaxed 3200 sub-timings
Are you suggesting it needs more SoC Voltage due to dropping the primary timings, or you just feel it's a little low in general?
Once upon a time I would disagree, as on much older BIOS versions I was perfectly stable at just 1.0V; however, these latest ones are a whole new beast. I'm suspect to think it's on account of the AGESA, but I really don't know.
How do you mean my tRC is low? It's actually higher than the age-old equation of tRP+tRAS=tRC. Once upon a time, I had huge issues getting it lower than that 54 with stability, despite it being higher than the math suggested. Though last night I applied what it 'should' be, 43, and things were otherwise fine. No change in stability for the good, but no change for the bad, either. On that note, I'm annoyed at MSI (or AMD?) for making the tCWL locked to evens, even with GearDownMode disabled. I'd like to have it at 13, but am forced to have it at 12 (I forgot to change that in my previous screenshot, which I'll address right now).
I'll have to try CL14 to compare, but one thing I did feel changed when it came to Fallout 76 was less microstutter and general frame drop. I'm not sure if it's my ancient Win10 version, changes to the game, or my GPU, but it's definitely not as smooth as I think it should be (or once was, which is why I question patches having screwed things up).
lol What aspect are you enjoying? My adventures in futility? The fact my tires are spinning but I seem to be going nowhere... haha
I know my lack of knowledge is holding me back somewhat, but I also feel like one of my hardware components may also be.
Honestly, I'd rather get 3333 stable, vs even something insane like CL10, because I'm not seeing any bandwidth change (or Infinity Fabric for that matter) via timings. Going to 3333 bumps Reads by 3000mb/s, Writes by 1500-2000mb/s and Copy by 1000-1500mb/s (with my very slightly relaxed 3200 sub-timings
You're not referring to WHEA are you? I've only experience one of those once, and that was a couple days ago (probably while trying 3466), which it produced a dialogue box.I would check windows' error log (forget which one) for memory errors. Sometimes, stuttering or general slowness can indicate memory instability, but errors in the log would be a dead giveaway.
Personally, I'm just amazed that I only now am needing this much SoC voltage to get the exact same speeds and timings stable, whereas the Summit Ridge focused BIOSes didn't need so much. I'm definitely not opposed to throwing more voltage at it though!soc deals with the voltage required between the cpu and memory and once you hit 3200 i've found anything less than 1.15 crashes all teh time... heres the catch though, every ryzen has its sweet spot.. mine is 1.1875 anything more or less crashes.. i found mine just using aida and leaving my cpu and memory at what i know is a stable speed and then slowly brought it up until it started crashing and just being a little bitch lol... as far as tCWL all of the boards are like that, pretty sure Ryzen is hard coded to be like that, even setting mine to 15 results in 16, 13 being 14, 11 being 12, so on so forth... this was the same with the strix F I have now and the gigabyte I had before... so even numbers it is... ive found my TRC to be one significant factor in overall bandwidth... anything less than 48 and im just trying to get that CL down regardless of bandwidth...
That sounds right. Yeah, I prefer gaming to looking through logs too, but I also don't want silent corruption to slowly kill my OS and personal files.You're not referring to WHEA are you? I've only experience one of those once, and that was a couple days ago (probably while trying 3466), which it produced a dialogue box.
When I get back into Windows I'll take a look.
I'm finding FO76 to be a far more enjoyable way to test stability since I get to actually do something while the "test" is running lol As such, I'm in the BIOS again to fiddle.
I'm actually looking through Event Viewer quite extensively and besides maybe finding the issue behind why I can't browse the Laptop files over the network on the Desktop or some time (I attributed it to the laptop being vastly more up to date)... I'm not seeing anything that is showing continually logging of events.That sounds right. Yeah, I prefer gaming to looking through logs too, but I also don't want silent corruption to slowly kill my OS and personal files.