AMD Navi RX 3080 $249. Leaks & Rumors.

Boil said:
3 - Yep, all Nvidia cards will totally cease to function once these Navi cards hit the shelves...!
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Maybe not all of it at once but since ray tracing is a single game at this point in time and if games you like and play support multiple gpu then the prospect of buying multiple cards is very attractive or yet if you are a concious buyer then you would realize that you investment in Nvidia does not give you as much for your money as Nvidia leads you to believe then shelling out $250 is a way better option until AMD catches up with high end.
 
Solhokuten said:
Ill take them.:)
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I give my old stuff to my friends in the military at the Navy base where I work. It's not much in the way of "Thanks" for what they do but I try.

Maddness said:
I can understand that if you already have a freesync monitor or if you are looking at buying one. Otherwise it might end up costing you more money. Personally, i do not believe the $250 2080 performance. That would render everything Nvidia has as useless.
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It might end up costing me more? In the last 2 weeks I spent $76,000 on a car and truck. A couple video cards aren't even worth tracking in my checkbook's ledger.
 
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Boil said:
Three things...

1 - So if I don't have a FreeSync monitor or I am not thinking of buying one, how exactly is a Navi card going to cost me more money...?

2 - RTX 2080 performance was NEVER mentioned in the leak(s); RTX 2070 / GTX 1080 performance was...

3 - Yep, all Nvidia cards will totally cease to function once these Navi cards hit the shelves...!
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Well one of Tech Jesus' RTX Titans is stuck at 1350MHz so maybe the leak info is true...;)
 
Pieter3dnow said:


That is not what AdoredTV is saying.
That when the product goals are set you can expect some changes but not that much were talking about chips that are in being made today not about an architecture that is coming in 3 years...
The prices may change according to AdoredTV but he says that it is likely within $40.
If AMD releases Navi next year you bet that these things are covered. The precise performance is not known but closer to launch that will clear up other things as well (price).
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AdoredTV expectations have always been on the optimistic side aside from the end 4 months before Vega's launch. Vega coming out and missing expectations should have been obvious to anyone with any business sense. The silence from AMD officially when their competitors cards were flying off the shelves was a dead giveaway that Vega was going to underperform.

Polaris replacement performing at 2070 levels is not within expectations because of where Vega currently is right now and where GCN currently is.

That is they are running into power walls where most of the gains from the new node will either be eaten up to achieve the efficiency they want or they can toss it all out to turn it all into performance but they won't increase their performance per watt much.

Look at Vega 20. It's already built on 7nm but only achieves a 20% performance uplift at the same power. It's not even a big die either with tonnes of leakage.

For these guerrilla leaks to work, they have to be juicy. That is to stop RTX/any nvidia card sales, they have to make these leaks look like desirable products which is why the leaks tend to be optimistic.

But lets look at reality at the moment. AMD just launched the RX 590 at 280 dollars which should be dirt cheap to produce considering the maturity of 12/16nm. It makes no sense for AMD to replace this card with a 7nm card which is drastically more expensive to make(the wafers cost double) while using more expensive memory while having a 65-70% performance uplift for less money.

Given the pricing on the rx 590, AMD is not as generous with videocard pricing as people think and this will be reflected by the pricing of a card that performs at RTX 2070 level.
 
tajoh111 said:
AdoredTV expectations have always been on the optimistic side aside from the end 4 months before Vega's launch. Vega coming out and missing expectations should have been obvious to anyone with any business sense. The silence from AMD officially when their competitors cards were flying off the shelves was a dead giveaway that Vega was going to underperform.

Polaris replacement performing at 2070 levels is not within expectations because of where Vega currently is right now and where GCN currently is.

That is they are running into power walls where most of the gains from the new node will either be eaten up to achieve the efficiency they want or they can toss it all out to turn it all into performance but they won't increase their performance per watt much.

Look at Vega 20. It's already built on 7nm but only achieves a 20% performance uplift at the same power. It's not even a big die either with tonnes of leakage.

For these guerrilla leaks to work, they have to be juicy. That is to stop RTX/any nvidia card sales, they have to make these leaks look like desirable products which is why the leaks tend to be optimistic.

But lets look at reality at the moment. AMD just launched the RX 590 at 280 dollars which should be dirt cheap to produce considering the maturity of 12/16nm. It makes no sense for AMD to replace this card with a 7nm card which is drastically more expensive to make(the wafers cost double) while using more expensive memory while having a 65-70% performance uplift for less money.

Given the pricing on the rx 590, AMD is not as generous with videocard pricing as people think and this will be reflected by the pricing of a card that performs at RTX 2070 level.
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Except that AMD needs market share so I doubt that they will price it at 2070 levels. Yes, it will not be $249 but, it will not be $599 either. Also, Vega 64 is 1080 level which is 2070 level.
 
Seems like current rumors say a new consumer radeon is being launched at CES, but they all seem to say Vega 20????

Was really hoping for a 3080.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Seems like current rumors say a new consumer radeon is being launched at CES, but they all seem to say Vega 20????

Was really hoping for a 3080.
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I'm still not sure about that. AMD have said in the past there will be no 7nm Vega for consumers. It's machine learning only. Unless they have done a card like Polaris and made it in 12nm. I too was going for a 7nm Navi launch.
 
Maddness said:
I'm still not sure about that. AMD have said in the past there will be no 7nm Vega for consumers. It's machine learning only. Unless they have done a card like Polaris and made it in 12nm. I too was going for a 7nm Navi launch.
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Yeah, I really don't think they will do a Vega refresh, it would waste too many resources, this isn't Nvidia we're talking about here. CES will be all about Navi for sure.
 
Seems there have been newer rumors regarding possible RX Vega II GPUs, based on the 7nm Vega 20...

It may be that the RX Navi GPUs are not ready for release right away, but AMD wants to have something they can ship soon, so RX Vega II it is...

One rumor I have seen talks about AMD having a run of 20k units, to be followed by a 40k run...

These are said to be aimed at the prosumer / enthusiast market...

These should be the Vega II versions of the original Frontier Edition GPUs, with pricing said to be somewhere between 900 & 1300 bucks...?

Possibility for both air-cooled & water-cooled (AIO) versions...?

Further blather on gaming performance versus compute performance...

Speculation on RX Navi being more gaming oriented & less compute, so Vega II is filling the gap there...

And finally the code name "Arcturus" for AMDs Next Gen GPU architecture on 7nm+, slated for 2020...
 
Every thing that AMD has said that i have read is that 7nm Vega 20 is not a consumer card.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
current rumors say otherwise
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In a way those are old rumours :) The plan for Vega consumer was still valid in February 2018 but supposedly they decided on something else.
That Wccftech likes to recycle rumours is a given.

Boil said:
Seems there have been newer rumors regarding possible RX Vega II GPUs, based on the 7nm Vega 20...It may be that the RX Navi GPUs are not ready for release right away, but AMD wants to have something they can ship soon, so RX Vega II it is...
One rumor I have seen talks about AMD having a run of 20k units, to be followed by a 40k run...
These are said to be aimed at the prosumer / enthusiast market...
These should be the Vega II versions of the original Frontier Edition GPUs, with pricing said to be somewhere between 900 & 1300 bucks...?
Possibility for both air-cooled & water-cooled (AIO) versions...?
Further blather on gaming performance versus compute performance...
Speculation on RX Navi being more gaming oriented & less compute, so Vega II is filling the gap there...
And finally the code name "Arcturus" for AMDs Next Gen GPU architecture on 7nm+, slated for 2020...
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Those are the rumours that WCCFTECH brought into the world and unless AMD hired miracle workers the new gpu for 2020 is not happening. It takes 3 years to make a GPU and the problem is that all the key personnel was reassigned to RTG this year.
The problem with the rumours is that they cover the high end spectrum of the videocard market and guess what never been selling well for AMD?
If AMD can sell high end videocards they have to step up on marketing those things need to be in place to do that and I haven't seen anything alike happening where there is buzz where there is a new hype around it like last time Vega launched. It would be even worse gotcha based theme then the last Star Wars movie :).

I'm not saying that it is impossible I'm saying it is improbable.
 
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Look, I just want that Radeon RX 3080 (with specs / performance as rumored, if not better) for 250 bucks...
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I would go for Navi rather then Vega if I had to choose on which one is going to be released. And I would buy the Navi 10 card straight away within 250-300 range ...
 
Agreed. But there is some very juicy deals in my country atm with Asus Strix Vega 64. It's over $130 off. That and the Samsung 31.5" 2560x1440 144hz Freesync 2 HDR monitor at $180 off. It makes it very tempting. Especially coming from my RX480.
 
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Maddness said:
Agreed. But there is some very juicy deals in my country atm with Asus Strix Vega 64. It's over $130 off. That and the Samsung 31.5" 2560x1440 144hz Freesync 2 HDR monitor at $180 off. It makes it very tempting. Especially coming from my RX480.
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I read a preview of the new batch of Samsung monitors (2019) would hold slightly higher frequency (160?) haven't seen the other details yet. I have seen very good prices for both (Vega) as well but I don't need it ;)

The monitor I've been looking at for a while I was thinking I am going to either pick it up after they launch the newer version or skip and buy the newer one (old monitor is also a Samsung it lasted a very long time). I would like to get my R9 290X replaced but I'm keeping in mind that if there is the new high end gpu coming in 2021 I would not want to spend money on a card that costs a lot and by then is going to be replaced anyway.
 
Boil said:
Look, I just want that Radeon RX 3080 (with specs / performance as rumored, if not better) for 250 bucks...
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for that performance AMD will likely charge 300 minimum. I truly don't see vega + 15% performance for 250 while Ngridia is selling gtx 2060 for 350. lol
 
NKD said:
for that performance AMD will likely charge 300 minimum. I truly don't see vega + 15% performance for 250 while Ngridia is selling gtx 2060 for 350. lol
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I still think they should be able to swing $250. nVidia has something like +50% die size for RTX features and as far as we know AMD doesn’t have dedicated RT hardware incorporated. They should be able to make decent margin at $249.

Plus AMD has a history of poor VR performance.

I realize those are both niche features, but at $249 it’s a given I’d buy AMD. At $300 it’d depend how many beers I had.

It’s AMD’s chance to grab market share...
 
Dayaks said:
I still think they should be able to swing $250. nVidia has something like +50% die size for RTX features and as far as we know AMD doesn’t have dedicated RT hardware incorporated. They should be able to make decent margin at $249.
Plus AMD has a history of poor VR performance.
I realize those are both niche features, but at $249 it’s a given I’d buy AMD. At $300 it’d depend how many beers I had.
It’s AMD’s chance to grab market share...
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I can see some other synergies as well. Punch back on power usage and performance if they keep it at $250 the OEM prolly will also look at this card as incredible value. AIB would not mind selling such a card the 150 Watt is really interesting could also trigger some monitor sales because it will handle 2K easily since it is faster then Vega 64 which is already capable of running it (Some folks say 4K with some tuned settings).

At $250 there would be no one with half a brain that would even consider Nvidia at this price point even if Nvidia started to dump their cards in this bracket AMD could just do some marketing and keep mentioning 150 Watt like it is a broken record :) .
 
Boil said:
Look, I just want that Radeon RX 3080 (with specs / performance as rumored, if not better) for 250 bucks...
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Pieter3dnow said:
I would go for Navi rather then Vega if I had to choose on which one is going to be released. And I would buy the Navi 10 card straight away within 250-300 range ...
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Maddness said:
...Samsung 31.5" 2560x1440 144hz Freesync 2 HDR monitor...
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Pieter3dnow said:
I read a preview of the new batch of Samsung monitors (2019) would hold slightly higher frequency (160?) haven't seen the other details yet.

The monitor I've been looking at for a while I was thinking I am going to either pick it up after they launch the newer version or skip and buy the newer one (old monitor is also a Samsung it lasted a very long time).
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Rumors of a larger resolution 49" monitor from Samsung, 5120x1440...

NKD said:
for that performance AMD will likely charge 300 minimum. I truly don't see vega + 15% performance for 250 while Ngridia is selling gtx 2060 for 350. lol
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Dayaks said:
I still think they should be able to swing $250. nVidia has something like +50% die size for RTX features and as far as we know AMD doesn’t have dedicated RT hardware incorporated. They should be able to make decent margin at $249.

Plus AMD has a history of poor VR performance.

I realize those are both niche features, but at $249 it’s a given I’d buy AMD. At $300 it’d depend how many beers I had.

It’s AMD’s chance to grab market share...
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Even at 300 bucks, IF it performs as the rumors say, it will be a great deal...

And that last bit it the important part, grabbing market share...

I would take a $300 RX 3080 over a $500 RTX 2070 any day...

And then I would start saving for Big Arcturus...!
 
Boil said:
Rumors of a larger resolution 49" monitor from Samsung, 5120x1440...
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The 32(31.5) inch freesync 2 one will do ;). If the price is around the same and there no advantages in the new one beside the refresh rate then would just buy the current one...
 
Maddness said:
Well I'm only going on what AMD have said themselves. I know things can change. We won't have long to wait, that's for sure.
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Ceo explicitly stated no 7nm consumer vega. To do so would be lying to you're shareholders..
People thinking you'll get that perf let alone at 250 need to take a hype train reality check. Maybe 6 months to 1 year after release when prices are stopped by both. Not launch.
 
N4CR said:
Ceo explicitly stated no 7nm consumer vega. To do so would be lying to you're shareholders..
People thinking you'll get that perf let alone at 250 need to take a hype train reality check. Maybe 6 months to 1 year after release when prices are stopped by both. Not launch.
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Wasn't that only for 2018?
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
Wasn't that only for 2018?
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Maybe. Still have a problem with the whole idea of AMD thinking because of the die shrink they got a change with Vega.
N4CR said:
Ceo explicitly stated no 7nm consumer vega. To do so would be lying to you're shareholders..
People thinking you'll get that perf let alone at 250 need to take a hype train reality check. Maybe 6 months to 1 year after release when prices are stopped by both. Not launch.
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Why don't you put in the numbers for GTX 1070 14nm vs 7nm with the figures that been released by AMD you will see that Navi is nothing special just that the process makes up for some of the problems AMD has. 2 times the density .5 power 1.25 performance , might be that AMD has an incredible skilled method of getting there but that does not mean that Nvidia should be miles away from those numbers...

The scale of Navi is prolly what is making it special if it is around 100MM2 that gpu would be such a opportunity to hurt Nvidia overproduced gpu and the current non rtx or when people find out about ray tracing rtx low end.
 
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techguymaxc said:
Performance always increases over time, while the cost of today's performance can be had for less tomorrow. In other words: nothing to see here. Let me know when they compete again at the high end. Until then I'll be gaming on my 2080 Ti @ 3440x1440/100Hz.
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I could not possibly care less about any GPUs in AMD’s timeline that aren’t directly competing with the high end. Until that time, they aren’t getting another dime from me. Seriously ...where is all their R&D going to? They’ve had so many opportunities lately to strike while the green beast is down. I wanna see some Ti competition. “Our brand new cards are on par with a 2 year old card” ... great ...
 
El Derpo said:
I could not possibly care less about any GPUs in AMD’s timeline that aren’t directly competing with the high end. Until that time, they aren’t getting another dime from me. Seriously ...where is all their R&D going to? They’ve had so many opportunities lately to strike while the green beast is down. I wanna see some Ti competition. “Our brand new cards are on par with a 2 year old card” ... great ...
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Where does money come from when you have none and you are badly in debt. Making GPU is not something that you can alter in any way shape or form. It takes 3 years and during that time you can not do anything but finish the project you can hardly make any alterations.
If it was as easy as you described it then why aren't there any others entering the GPU market.

It never crossed your mind why aren't people just jumping in and make tons of cash because Nvidia sucks with their pricing ........
 
So Bill, I was thinking of setting a price of around $250. That sounds fair, right?

Yea, sure does. People sweep them right off the shelf.

Nice. I'll forward these documents over to accounting.

Ummm, hold up, hold up, hold up.

Why? What's up?

Gerry, these guys in [H]ardForum are saying that is way too cheap and there is no way we'd price that low.

No kiddin', really?

Hey, give me those papers real quick.

$250 $450.

There. That looks better, right?

Yep, lets run with it.
 
I'll be honest, at $250 it would be a no brainer for someone like me with a RX580. At launch. No hesitation.

At $350, I'll chill a bit first...

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Westwood Arrakis said:
So Bill, I was thinking of setting a price of around $250. That sounds fair, right?

Yea, sure does. People sweep them right off the shelf.

Nice. I'll forward these documents over to accounting.

Ummm, hold up, hold up, hold up.

Why? What's up?

Gerry, these guys in [H]ardForum are saying that is way too cheap and there is no way we'd price that low.

No kiddin', really?

Hey, give me those papers real quick.

$250 $450.

There. That looks better, right?

Yep, lets run with it.
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lets hope the fact that most of AMD's marketing team has run off to intel that the above statement doesn't happen, lol.


but you are probably right.
 
Westwood Arrakis said:
So Bill, I was thinking of setting a price of around $250. That sounds fair, right?

Yea, sure does. People sweep them right off the shelf.

Nice. I'll forward these documents over to accounting.

Ummm, hold up, hold up, hold up.

Why? What's up?

Gerry, these guys in [H]ardForum are saying that is way too cheap and there is no way we'd price that low.

No kiddin', really?

Hey, give me those papers real quick.

$250 $450.

There. That looks better, right?

Yep, lets run with it.
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Shut... Your... Frakking... Mouth...
 
I'm not sure where I stand on this being a fake or not. It does sound a bit too good to be true. Here is why I think it could be true:

  1. AMD has done this before and in doing so took a massive chunk of market share. The Radeon 9500/9700/9700 Pro vs the Nvidia Blow Dryer series FX5XXX if I remember correctly.
  2. I know they could sell this imaginary card for $400(Vega 64 + 15%) easy but if they are simply pricing based on margin and the margin is healthy. Smaller die, smaller process and more than likely much better yields.
  3. No matter what we as enthusiasts know about RT being smoke and mirrors at this point, the general public may be convinced that it's a killer feature. You have to come in at a much lower price point to win those minds. 50% is a little excessive but most of us here seem to agree at $250, it's a no brainer.
This in my opinion has moderate chance of being the truth and if it is, this is a Power Play to retake market share, to re-establish the brand as the go to for the masses.
 
Zareek said:
I'm not sure where I stand on this being a fake or not. It does sound a bit too good to be true. Here is why I think it could be true:

  1. AMD has done this before and in doing so took a massive chunk of market share. The Radeon 9500/9700/9700 Pro vs the Nvidia Blow Dryer series FX5XXX if I remember correctly.
  2. I know they could sell this imaginary card for $400(Vega 64 + 15%) easy but if they are simply pricing based on margin and the margin is healthy. Smaller die, smaller process and more than likely much better yields.
  3. No matter what we as enthusiasts know about RT being smoke and mirrors at this point, the general public may be convinced that it's a killer feature. You have to come in at a much lower price point to win those minds. 50% is a little excessive but most of us here seem to agree at $250, it's a no brainer.
This in my opinion has moderate chance of being the truth and if it is, this is a Power Play to retake market share, to re-establish the brand as the go to for the masses.
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well, 2900xt - > 3870 -> 4870 worked well for them.
 
El Derpo said:
I could not possibly care less about any GPUs in AMD’s timeline that aren’t directly competing with the high end. Until that time, they aren’t getting another dime from me. Seriously ...where is all their R&D going to? They’ve had so many opportunities lately to strike while the green beast is down. I wanna see some Ti competition. “Our brand new cards are on par with a 2 year old card” ... great ...
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Oh my god. Didn’t realize GPUs were so easy to make. That You could pump out one every year. Please go read up how long a brand new architecture takes. And AMD was fighting on two fronts. After Ryzen success you won’t see the results of that for a bit. But they did have new architecture being built. That’s been in works for like 4-5 years I think. So due to low r&d for GPU department it’s taking longer. But I think we are already seeing success of Ryzen bring home some results where they might be launching cards sooner in 2020 for next gen architecture rather than original rumors that put it at 2021. They are coming out swinging with 7nm. So yea Ryzen money is being spent for process lead and new products.
 
So currently there is the rumor that the RTX 2060 will come in at $350 and have... 1070 ti performance. If AMD can make a card on par with that, but sell for $250, then there will be a lot of customers I believe. I personally feel that nv has overpriced their new cards.
 
NKD said:
Oh my god. Didn’t realize GPUs were so easy to make. That You could pump out one every year. Please go read up how long a brand new architecture takes. And AMD was fighting on two fronts. After Ryzen success you won’t see the results of that for a bit. But they did have new architecture being built. That’s been in works for like 4-5 years I think. So due to low r&d for GPU department it’s taking longer. But I think we are already seeing success of Ryzen bring home some results where they might be launching cards sooner in 2020 for next gen architecture rather than original rumors that put it at 2021. They are coming out swinging with 7nm. So yea Ryzen money is being spent for process lead and new products.
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Because my ability to make GPUs has complete relevance to AMD’s consistent race to the bottom. :confused:
 
El Derpo said:
Because my ability to make GPUs has complete relevance to AMD’s consistent race to the bottom. :confused:
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Hey if you know nothing about AMDs condition. Or where they are trying to compete, or don't know that CPUs have much higher margins then GPUs then why bitch about it? Why the hell would AMD go out of their way to prioritize GPU first if they wanted long-term success and didn't have all the budget like intel and Nvidia? What you call race to the bottom is long-term success for AMD. They can always come back with a high end GPU if they are banking on CPU side. But if CPU side goes under AMD is gone! Now relax, you will get your GPU until then buy Nvidia.
 
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