1366 x58 Xeon Enthusiast overclocks club

I just started messing around with the X5660 and my X58 Sabertooth. I haven't had this much fun OCing in years. I got my chip up to 4.6Ghz at 1.36V and temps staying in the high 50's under a Scythe Fuma in OCCT.
 
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Bill1024 said:
You need some one with a x58 and a 1080Ti to run a bench, or a newer CPU with a 1080Ti?
What are you thinking of buying or doing? I am sorry I am not sure what you're thinking.
Thinking of getting a 1080Ti and worried that the x58 will bottle neck it?
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To a certain extent, yup! Just trying to see what limitations there might be and if it's worth it or not. If I grab a 1080ti I'd end up keeping this computer as my gaming rig for a nice while longer.
 
wareyore said:
Here you go. I upgraded to a 1080ti a few months ago and saved the benchmark data. I picked up a 68050K and X99 MB a month or two ago.

Where I still had data for the X5670, I used it. Where I didn't, I used the X5690. My X5690 at 4.2 GHz is in the ball park of your X5670 at the same speed. There will be some variation, but this should give you an idea. I ran tests at stock speeds and @ 4.2 GHz. Similar with the 6850K , running it at stock speed (3.6 GHz) and at 4.2 GHz.

There are several single 1080ti tests and some SLI tests, too.

Game Comparison and SLI Comparison will show the impact when upgrading the GPU's.

So, the result? Depends on which games you play or what else you do with your system as to whether you get more bang for your buck with a GPU versus platform upgrade.

Picking up an X5670 to drop into an X58 board and replace an i7 920 is a really cheap upgrade these days, especially if you already have 12GB+ ram. The alternative is dropping several hundred on a new CPU/MB/Memory combo. This is why its hard to justify upgrading from even newer CPU's.
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Nice Thanks! Looks like the mins and averages are fairly similar - some big differences on the max frames though - but I'm more surprised at the mins and averages keeping up with the newer chip. Hmmm, upgrading from my 980 to a 1080 ti seems like a simple way to get more out of my PC over moving to a completely new platform.
 
From what I have heard, if I understand it right at 1080P the CPU is under more load than at higher resolutions.
I always figured buythe best you can afford, a GTX1080Ti if you were to buy it can always be moved over to a better MB/CPU combo when the times comes.
Right now my 1080Ti is in one of my x79 4930k systems and my x58 systems all have GTX980Ti in them. A 1080 sitting ready to go in a x58 classified w3680 I took a R9-280x out of.
I could swap the 1080Ti onto the classifies3 and run it for some tests.
Going to test with a couple PCIE SSD drives I bought. I have them running in my X79 and they work fine and can boot, so I do not see why they would not work in my x58 boards.
HyperX predator and a Samsung 950pro both work as boot drives in my x79. Testing with a ram drive too. 10$ for the AMD ramdrive software. Damn a ram drive has insane speeds.
Sprung for the softwre because it is a bigger drive and it auto saves, backups and loads on a reboot.
BOINC seems to be improved running off the ramdrive, bet folding will be too.
 
nice :)

I'll be checking into the 1080ti - have a ton of other stuff going on so i'm in no hurry (obviously...took me this long to get to this point lol). Heck, with Christmas comin' up... i might even wait for some deals ?
 
kirbyrj said:
I just started messing around with the X5660 and my X58 Sabertooth. I haven't had this much fun OCing in years. I got my chip up to 4.6Ghz at 1.36V and temps staying in the high 50's under a Scythe Fuma in OCCT.
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That's how I felt when I was tweaking mine. It reminded me of all my old rigs that I spent days overclocking and tweaking. My wife thought I was nuts spending all kinds of hours adjusting, testing, benchmarking, etc. I have it 100% stable at 4.2 for many months now. I have no need to upgrade anything at this time.
 
So guys, I have been out of the scene for a while, so my apologies for wanting an executive summary. I know, RTFT right? but 74 pages...

is X5660 the sweet spot here price/performance? Are there even faster ones?

I'm looking to maybe replace my i7 970 in hopes of having a better chance of getting 24GB of RAM working
 
There are faster ones, but X5660's are ~$20 on ebay. X5670's are $35 or so. X5675's are $45. I'm running 3x8GB with a X5660 with no issues.
 
where do you get 3x8GB kits? or do you buy quads and throw one away?
 
jojo69 said:
where do you get 3x8GB kits? or do you buy quads and throw one away?
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Pretty much. I had a leftover 4x8GB kit and I have a spare 1x8GB sitting around now. You could always get 3 single 8GB sticks of the same brand. A buddy of mine runs 48GB with his 980X. I was thinking of trying it if I can find a deal on 2x8GB that somewhat match the kit I have.
 
I just installed a Samsung 950 Pro NVMe drive in my computer (Windows 7). Installed the Samsung NVMe driver, data migrated my current SSD to the new one, changed the boot option in bios to the 950 Pro and it works without issue (albeit at PCIe 2.0 x4 speeds).

Edit: I actually "downgraded" to this setup from a 5930k that went over to my father. I figured I'd wait and see what happened with Z370 and X299 (and Ryzen for that matter). At this point, I don't see a reason to upgrade.
 
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SATA2 is 300MB/s PCIe 2.0 x4 is 2GB/s
 
Thanks FLECOM, so almost an order of magnitude, sounds worthwhile, the UEFI workaround sounds like a pain in the ass though.

Will Win7 even boot off it?
 
jojo69 said:
Thanks FLECOM, so almost an order of magnitude, sounds worthwhile, the UEFI workaround sounds like a pain in the ass though.

Will Win7 even boot off it?
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You don't need a work around with 950 pro. It works with legacy bios. I'm booting win 7 off of it. Other NVMe drives will require an efi workaround.
 
I see, thanks for the clarification. I have been reading back in the thread and trying to catch up but certainly have some way to go.

BTW, I see X6590 can now be had for $120 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-...020225?hash=item5b3ef13981:g:SIoAAOSwbsBXojFd , about where lesser chips were when this thread kicked off. I'm thinking I shall amuse myself this winter bringing this setup to it's penultimate state.

I see a post a few pages back that seems to claim that anything more, GPU wise than a 1070 is wasted on PCIe 2.0, but I see others rocking 1080s all day long...what gives?
 
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jojo69 said:
I see, thanks for the clarification. I have been reading back in the thread and trying to catch up but certainly have some way to go.

BTW, I see X6590 can now be had for $120 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-...020225?hash=item5b3ef13981:g:SIoAAOSwbsBXojFd , about where lesser chips were when this thread kicked off. I'm thinking I shall amuse myself this winter bringing this setup to it's penultimate state.

I see a post a few pages back that seems to claim that anything more, GPU wise than a 1070 is wasted on PCIe 2.0, but I see others rocking 1080s all day long...what gives?
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People are opinionated. Speed is speed and the performance loss at x16 is very minimal. http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/pci-express-3-0-vs-2-0-gaming-performance-gain/4/

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2488-pci-e-3-x8-vs-x16-performance-impact-on-gpus
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...Speed-on-Gaming-Performance-518/#1080pResults

Pcie3x8 is similar to pcie2x16 for comparison purposes
 
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I don't feel like my 1070 is held back. Also the x5690 seems like a lot of money when the x5650/x5650 can be had under $20.
 
kirbyrj said:
I don't feel like my 1070 is held back. Also the x5690 seems like a lot of money when the x5650/x5650 can be had under $20.
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oh for sure, but I'm not in any hurry, just keep my eye open and score one for 80-90bux and I'd do it just for grins, I mean, I'm seriously looking on laying out for a 1080 ffs, lol, oh, and 48GB of DDR3, and the nvme drive...

suddenly a hundred bux doesn't seem like all that much
 
Couldn't help but to play a little more with my X5660 tonight, reached an overclock of 4.6 GHz, stable at 1.46vcore. But it sure get's hot at those speeds, so think I'm gonna stay at 4.2 until I get a better cooling solution (currently running a Corsair H60).
 
kirbyrj said:
You don't need a work around with 950 pro. It works with legacy bios. I'm booting win 7 off of it. Other NVMe drives will require an efi workaround.
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So were looking at $400+ to move to actual high speed storage with our boards? Assuming we dont want to mess with bullshit workarounds? Is it really practical to spend this much on 256mb of storage? Just seems a little steep for so little storage.Go ahead and put a link for the perfect m2 adapter if were spending that much lol
 
I got one for $200 for 512gb. Don't know where $400 comes from. Adapters are $20 tops...$15.99 shipped in a lot of places.
 
I'd look used either in the forum or eBay. It's a eol part so new stock might be hard to come by. The one I got only had 2 tb of writes to it off eBay.
 
kirbyrj said:
I'd look used either in the forum or eBay. It's a eol part so new stock might be hard to come by. The one I got only had 2 tb of writes to it off eBay.
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2tb of writes is practically assembly line new lol....its on my list to look into it. Have you noticed any practical benefits to speak of? As in more than just super fast benchmark scores? its got 4 times the speed easily....has to show somewhere?
 
primetime said:
2tb of writes is practically assembly line new lol....its on my list to look into it. Have you noticed any practical benefits to speak of? As in more than just super fast benchmark scores? its got 4 times the speed easily....has to show somewhere?
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I was running an 850 Evo off of the ICHR at SATA2 speed, so I think it feels faster. But then again, I didn't sit there with a stop watch and clock load speeds and other things like that before I switched drives.
 
kirbyrj said:
I was running an 850 Evo off of the ICHR at SATA2 speed, so I think it feels faster. But then again, I didn't sit there with a stop watch and clock load speeds and other things like that before I switched drives.
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My SATA3 has been spotty on my board, wondering what to do about it. Sometimes it will hang on wake up from sleep and then when rebootin it won't even recognize my SSD in bios until shut totally off, wait, then reboot.

I wonder about a 950 pro off PCIexpress 2.0... good alternative?
 
primetime said:
So were looking at $400+ to move to actual high speed storage with our boards? Assuming we dont want to mess with bullshit workarounds? Is it really practical to spend this much on 256mb of storage? Just seems a little steep for so little storage.Go ahead and put a link for the perfect m2 adapter if were spending that much lol
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Agreed, I'm wondering if I should try to get $100-$200 for my setup CPU/mobo/memory now and swap over, seems like a lot of work unless I'd use the new M.2 drive on a platform upgrade
 
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Napoleon said:
Has anyone tried out the? $177 Kingston HyperX Predator 240GB PCIe Gen2 x4 (M.2) Solid State Drive (SHPM2280P2/240G)

1-3 week leadtime but still... there are a lot of X58 reviews singing its praises...

This website had some interesting comments on M.2.'s
https://www.hardware-revolution.com/best-sdd-solid-state-drive-august-2017/
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If you're hell bent on not buying used it looks ok. But the 950 Pro can be had ~$200 for 512GB in the used market and I know it works. You need an m.2 drive that has a legacy ROM built in so that it is visible in older (non-UEFI) bios...kind of like an add-on RAID card or something like that. All you need is the ROM to tell the bios that the drive is there and to boot off of it and then Windows will install the NVMe driver, etc. I have no idea what other m.2 drives have legacy ROMs. I know I tried my MyDigitalSSD BPX drive from another build and it was not detected in bios. I did some more reading and I found out that the 950 Pro had the old ROM, and I purchased that. The 950 Pro works perfectly. I would find out if the Kingston drive has the legacy ROM in it before spending money on it.
 
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If you're hell bent on not buying used it looks ok. But the 950 Pro can be had ~$200 for 512GB in the used market and I know it works. You need an m.2 drive that has a legacy ROM built in so that it is visible in older (non-UEFI) bios...kind of like an add-on RAID card or something like that. All you need is the ROM to tell the bios that the drive is there and to boot off of it and then Windows will install the NVMe driver, etc. I have no idea what other m.2 drives have legacy ROMs. I know I tried my MyDigitalSSD BPX drive from another build and it was not detected in bios. I did some more reading and I found out that the 950 Pro had the old ROM, and I purchased that. The 950 Pro works perfectly. I would find out if the Kingston drive has the legacy ROM in it before spending money on it.
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If you happen on any hot listings please post links....A lot of us are very busy these days and cant spend forever looking. Anyone find a 512 for 200 bucks i guess im in for one.
 
Napoleon said:
My SATA3 has been spotty on my board, wondering what to do about it. Sometimes it will hang on wake up from sleep and then when rebootin it won't even recognize my SSD in bios until shut totally off, wait, then reboot.

I wonder about a 950 pro off PCIexpress 2.0... good alternative?
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those afterthought SATA3 implementations were notoriously flaky, I've got the Marvell...worthless, better to use the integrated SATA2.

And I 2nd the call for post ups of 950 Pro deals.
 
jojo69 said:
those afterthought SATA3 implementations were notoriously flaky, I've got the Marvell...worthless, better to use the integrated SATA2.

And I 2nd the call for post ups of 950 Pro deals.
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While I love the idea of the M.2. drive, I'm a bit hesitant of spending $200-$250 on an M.2 drive and an adapter. I'm not unhappy with my current capacity or speed, but it's good to know there are options out there (hopefully prospectively as some of these are getting discontinued).

I think I'll swap over to SATA2 for reliability
 
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Guess its time to retire the tuner card if i want to add an m2 adapter? Something has to go since im out of slots? Should i be looking for an x4 or x16 adapter? Does it matter? Maybe something high end?
 
X4 is fine. Pretty much all modern nvme drives are marketed as PCIe 3.0 x4 anyway.
 
kirbyrj said:
X4 is fine. Pretty much all modern nvme drives are marketed as PCIe 3.0 x4 anyway.
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pick an adapter card that would have some possible value in a new setup. Something that wont hit the parts bin as soon as i upgrade to a newer chip set. Or am i asking for something that doesn't exist?
 
I'm guessing that newer chipsets are going to have more and more nvme spots available on board. So more than likely it will end up in a parts bin on anything newer than say z97. That being said it is only a $20 card so it's not breaking the bank. I'm on my cell phone but I will link you a couple when I get back on my computer.
 
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