Microsoft to Block Non-Windows Store Apps in Windows 10?

So no one's aware that there's been a similar option in OSX since at least 2013. Some people want reassurance that a program won't destroy a system or make it unstable. This is for them.
 
nutzo said:
I don't have a problem with this, as long as it can be disabled.

I'd even go so far as thinking this should be enabled by default on Windows Home, just like updates, to protect clueless people from their own folly.
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Me neither but it should be off by default. Clueless people will find a way to fuck their computer up anyway.
 
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DocSavage said:
"I need my Adobe updated."

Would that be Adobe Reader, Acrobat, Flash, Photoshop, Illustrator...?
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LOL. Well only flash and reader are really used for exploits. But I disabled them all under the browser. There is just way too many holes.
 
This is actually a welcomed addition. it's been needed for a long time - seriously. for anyone on this site, it's safe to say we would turn it off... but I can't tell you how many friends and family members who regularly screw their system or download BS applications, or visit site that install things. For the joe schmo or granny that just uses it for basics.. this is an excellent layer of security.
 
DocSavage said:
Lol. You used Adobe like my users do. :D
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Freaken adobe. One of my less astute customers installed the Intel webcam login security software with an Adobe update, she activated it and managed to lock herself out of her desktop.
Adobe and flash player updates hit high marks for assholes of the year.
 
kring said:
This is actually a welcomed addition. it's been needed for a long time - seriously. for anyone on this site, it's safe to say we would turn it off... but I can't tell you how many friends and family members who regularly screw their system or download BS applications, or visit site that install things. For the joe schmo or granny that just uses it for basics.. this is an excellent layer of security.
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Get them the WOW Computer. Runs on linux and you don't have root.

On second thought, don't get them one.
 
Cool. Windows RT! :D Only runs Windows Store Apps!

Optional. They would not shut off standard Windows installs and destroy their user base. The huge reason RT failed was due to it's lack of running Win32 apps.
 
I'd do this to the PCs my parents use. No more tech support calls or mom having to mail me her PC to "fix" it.
 
U-238 said:
Taking off the tin-foil for a second, this would be fantastic for companies and corporations to ensure that nothing can be installed that doesn't come through the store which will have to be vetted before appearing. That alone will help tackle a huge part of security concerns.
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By default, the MS Store is disabled with the customer I've long supported. As has been the ability for users to install anything requiring admin privs or having a need to write to any area on the primary partition. User account and data space is hosted in all but a small set of cases where a secondary drive has been installed and configured for such purposes. And, "Yes.", for security reasons USB and CD/DVD drives have been deliberately disabled in most cases as well- unless you've been given the BIOS password.

If there is a business need to access a DVD drive or USB port, i.e., data files were sent on physical media because of their size, the customer has their own Information Security and Data Management group who is charged with safely migrating the data in-house.

In addition, we have custom images for deployed systems that come in various forms from generic to department and platform based builds and use license/software deployment tools to roll out those builds, patches and individual software bundles, that were tested and packaged in-house.

This type of corporate systems lockdown has been in effect ever since the customer began migrating from the mainframe environment to client-server based operations 30+ years ago. *DAMN I FEEL OLD* =)
 
Domingo said:
I'd do this to the PCs my parents use. No more tech support calls or mom having to mail me her PC to "fix" it.
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My Mom's a typical web browsing, email, FB posting mother and grandmother, who just wants the added ability to save pics and print coupons, recipes and pics of the grand kids and by any sense of the word is illiterate when it comes to technology. Her VCR blinks "12:00" until I fix it following a power outage.

Years ago, after re-imaging her system for the third(?) time, I was so pissed I set her up as a general user with an inability to install A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G! She was upset I was treating her like a child. Then, I asked her how she use to be with me as a kid carrying in the groceries and making sure I didn't have the bag with the eggs- reminding her how many times she had to go back to buy more;)

My tech related call rate with her went from 3+ times a week to 1-2 times every couple of months as she got the hang of seeing and understanding the messages and backing out.(y)
 
LurkerLito said:
Yeah it's only optional till they make it forced on as the only option. Optional -> defaulted to on -> only via a work around -> forced as the only option. That is how it will work as their grip grows stronger.
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Yep, it's optional... until it isn't. This is kind of the bigger problem being lost in the chorus of "this will keep my grandma out of trouble" small-mindedness - that there's a slow, creeping erosion of features, options and control happening overall.

Particularly the "Pro" version and up should have the OPTION to be immune to the systematic, fischer-price dumbing down of the OS that's been happening since the first previews of Windows 8.
 
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People do realize this is already in windows 10 right? And there is no way this would ever be a mandatory feature, not for at least 10 years. Do you know how many odd ball programs are out there that my customers rely on? Thats why people get windows lol, this is just a feature ALREADY in windows that is getting bad press because people love to hate on #1
 
I have a solution.

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Basically it appears to be a form of kiosk mode with a differet name. This whole dramatic hands-thrown-up-into-the-air thing could've been avoided by announcing it as an "extended kiosk mode."
 
GDI Lord said:
Basically it appears to be a form of kiosk mode with a differet name. This whole dramatic hands-thrown-up-into-the-air thing could've been avoided by announcing it as an "extended kiosk mode."
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Right, and they just happen to coincidentally be stripping out more and more of the desktop and replacing it with phablet crap. They definitely aren't trying to push people to Metro 2.0 and their app store. :rolleyes:

Stop being Windows cucks and switch to a real desktop OS.
 
"Real desktop OS" LOL

You find me a linux box that will run the needed Ohio tax law programs from the late 90's to today. You find me a linux box that will run all the dozens of CAD programs and plug ins and tie in to the additional DB software and other systems that my customers use. You find me a linux tablet build that will tie into the hospital's windows servers and databases and easily load all patient data that is required.You show me a linux box that will easily run for the average PC user every version of Quickbooks from the last 6 years. You show me a linux box... well you get the idea. Get off your high horse. Out of damn near 3200 client boxes there is a reason we only have 13 Mac's (almost entirely the owner's or someone like that's personal machine on the business account) and not a single Linux box. Hell even the military moved away from Unix and Linux years ago. They don't even train their techs in it any more, I was one of the last years to take training on in place Unix systems and Linux systems, and those are all gone now. And that was 2007.
 
GDI Lord said:
Basically it appears to be a form of kiosk mode with a differet name. This whole dramatic hands-thrown-up-into-the-air thing could've been avoided by announcing it as an "extended kiosk mode."
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You give people way to much credit. They could call it anything they want and the same exact response would be given, at least around these parts.
 
Vaulter98c said:
"Real desktop OS" LOL

You find me a linux box that will run the needed Ohio tax law programs from the late 90's to today. You find me a linux box that will run all the dozens of CAD programs and plug ins and tie in to the additional DB software and other systems that my customers use. You find me a linux tablet build that will tie into the hospital's windows servers and databases and easily load all patient data that is required.You show me a linux box that will easily run for the average PC user every version of Quickbooks from the last 6 years. You show me a linux box... well you get the idea. Get off your high horse. Out of damn near 3200 client boxes there is a reason we only have 13 Mac's (almost entirely the owner's or someone like that's personal machine on the business account) and not a single Linux box. Hell even the military moved away from Unix and Linux years ago. They don't even train their techs in it any more, I was one of the last years to take training on in place Unix systems and Linux systems, and those are all gone now. And that was 2007.
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In before the those are niche examples. :D Thank you for putting into words exactly what I have been thinking all along. Heck, even Quickbooks itself is different between a Mac and Windows machine and folks do not want to switch to the Mac version because of that.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Right, and they just happen to coincidentally be stripping out more and more of the desktop and replacing it with phablet crap. They definitely aren't trying to push people to Metro 2.0 and their app store. :rolleyes:

Stop being Windows cucks and switch to a real desktop OS.
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Right, they are stripping out more and more of the desktop. /s :rolleyes: LOL! :mad: This must be what you feel when we do not agree with you, eh?
 
Ryokurin said:
So no one's aware that there's been a similar option in OSX since at least 2013. Some people want reassurance that a program won't destroy a system or make it unstable. This is for them.
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And with group policy and removing admin rights you can prevent employees from installing programs on work windows computers now. People just like to make mountains out of two grains of sand being on top of each other.
 
Exavior said:
And with group policy and removing admin rights you can prevent employees from installing programs on work windows computers now. People just like to make mountains out of two grains of sand being on top of each other.
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Nah, you just being a "Windows cucks" as I am quoting someone said. ;) New options and features used to be welcome, even if you did not want to use them and could easily ignore them. Now it is [H]ard to like a stripped down OS that gives you nothing new.
 
ManofGod said:
Nah, you just being a "Windows cucks" as I am quoting someone said. ;) New options and features used to be welcome, even if you did not want to use them and could easily ignore them. Now it is [H]ard to like a stripped down OS that gives you nothing new.
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New is good but not when its forced on everybody.
But I guess a lot can be stripped out now.
 
Again, the feature is already in play, and it's not being forced. It's an option. We used to like options.

Seriously, click settings. Within 2 more clicks you are already at this option. How do people think this is a new and evil thing being forced upon folks? There are a few legit complaints about 10 don't get me wrong but by and large this is probably their best OS all around yet. If not then second only to 7, but I've done much less work and maintenance for issues on 10 then I have on 7 in the last 2 years, it just works better usually.
 
vegeta535 said:
I doubt Microsoft is arrogant enough to try this. If they do it then I can see linux finally taking over.
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They got me to switch. I only boot to my Windows parition when I want to play a game (ones obviously not ported to Linux yet!). Only about a third of my Steam games are available under Linux.
 
Dead Parrot said:
Microsoft already limits your ability to uninstall the several Microsoft apps included with Win10 or hide the Microsoft store. This current beta option seems a logical version of extend then extinguish.
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It's easy to hide the apps, including the store. Use Classic Shell as your Start Menu and configure it to not show Apps and such.
 
Vaulter98c said:
"Real desktop OS" LOL

You find me a linux box that will run the needed Ohio tax law programs from the late 90's to today. You find me a linux box that will run all the dozens of CAD programs and plug ins and tie in to the additional DB software and other systems that my customers use. You find me a linux tablet build that will tie into the hospital's windows servers and databases and easily load all patient data that is required.You show me a linux box that will easily run for the average PC user every version of Quickbooks from the last 6 years. You show me a linux box... well you get the idea. Get off your high horse. Out of damn near 3200 client boxes there is a reason we only have 13 Mac's (almost entirely the owner's or someone like that's personal machine on the business account) and not a single Linux box. Hell even the military moved away from Unix and Linux years ago. They don't even train their techs in it any more, I was one of the last years to take training on in place Unix systems and Linux systems, and those are all gone now. And that was 2007.
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It all depends upon what you need. At home, Linux pretty much does everything I need. All the applications I use are cross platform (jEdit, Libre Office, g++, CodeBlocks, Eclipse, Firefox, Thunderbird, Octave, etc). So at home, Linux is my goto OS. I could actually use it for my work too since TI provides its' development IDE for Windows and for Linux (I do firmware for devices based upon TI DSPs).
 
Yaka said:
imho good idea for most peeps not every one, lost count of fixing systems where the user was the main culprit for getting a system infected it could potentially save a ton of wasted man hours.
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Imagine the hours spent when your friend wants Blu-ray ripping software and switches to Linux.
 
jpm100 said:
Imagine the hours spent when your friend wants Blu-ray ripping software and switches to Linux.
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A few minutes? MakeMKV works great on Linux. Same tool I used for ripping under Windows.

The only thing I do kinda miss is MPC-HC for its denoise shader options when I play old DVD rips, but VLC is a decent player.
 
sadsteve said:
It's easy to hide the apps, including the store. Use Classic Shell as your Start Menu and configure it to not show Apps and such.
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Hiding and uninstalling are very different. Stuff running uses resources. Stuff that's uninstalled doesn't use any.
 
sadsteve said:
It all depends upon what you need. At home, Linux pretty much does everything I need. All the applications I use are cross platform (jEdit, Libre Office, g++, CodeBlocks, Eclipse, Firefox, Thunderbird, Octave, etc). So at home, Linux is my goto OS. I could actually use it for my work too since TI provides its' development IDE for Windows and for Linux (I do firmware for devices based upon TI DSPs).
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Point is, what features have been taken away that makes Windows 10 not a real desktop OS? On the contrary, things like virtual desktops have been added.
 
cyclone3d said:
Because all the software I use is available for LINUX, right?

And ALL the games I play are also available for LINUX and perform as well as the do on Windows... right?
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If you're worried about not being able to install Windows software I'm not exactly sure how Linux fixes that problem.
 
Tsumi said:
Point is, what features have been taken away that makes Windows 10 not a real desktop OS? On the contrary, things like virtual desktops have been added.
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Ability to choose what updates you accept and when / if. That sounds small, but if one update screws up your system, you have no recourse on Windows 10. If I don't have total control what goes on my machine, then it's not really a desktop OS in my eyes; more like a stepping stone between a desktop and a thin client.

And while it's not as big an issue to me personally, group policies have literally been removed from Windows 10 for normal desktop users. They're taking stuff away alright.

Back to the topic though, as someone pointed out, this is an optional feature. For once, this particular Windows 10 addition is nothing to worry about and shouldn't really affect anyone.
 
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