New Samsung 4k for everyone.

Do i have a chance to use a Mac Mini, with Samsung JS9000 ?
I tried to install OS X on my PC, but after i checked some forums, Apple has no support for HDMI 2.0
I was able to install the OS X, but after reboot, i had only a black screen.
 
shadowj said:
Do i have a chance to use a Mac Mini, with Samsung JS9000 ?
I tried to install OS X on my PC, but after i checked some forums, Apple has no support for HDMI 2.0
I was able to install the OS X, but after reboot, i had only a black screen.
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Mini DisplayPort (Thunderbolt 2) to HDMI 2.0 adapter? You didn't mention the model year of your Mac Mini so I can't tell if the integrated graphics support 4k@60hz.

Mini DisplayPort 1.2 or Apple Thunderbolt to HDMI 2.0a 4k@60hz Active Adapter UPTab.com Store (U.S.)
 
another-user said:
ever since 1455 i keep getting EXTRAS popping up in the top right under pc mode.
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Unfortunately, you're going to have to disable your Wifi if you want the pop-ups to stop. Samsung in their infinite wisdom decided that ads provide a robust and meaningful experience to the consumer.
 
imyourzero said:
My JS9000 received a random firmware update yesterday. No idea what it fixed/changed, as usual.
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Probably an amazon update.

I got an email from amazon saying that unless my sammy 4k tv had already upgraded to the newest firmware, then I had to upgrade manually before x date or I wont be able to continue watching amazon stuff.

I had already upgraded, but if it wasnt for that email I wouldnt of known what was in the new update.

But saying that, the new firmware is like 1.5gig, so they must of changed more than just amazon.
 
I feel dumb for asking this question, but regarding the JU7100 series model, since I primarily use my TV for PC use only I never figured out if the upscaling feature works when you plug in your USB to the TV. Can anyone elaborate when and where upscaling is used? Thanks
 
Just for information. If you go to YT and look up Barnicules he is now using 3 JS7000 TVs. He gives useful information on productivity, gaming,and how to set them up in settings, and so forth.
 
imyourzero said:
Colors shouldn't change with refresh rate. There must be something else...a setting, the graphics chipset, the converter, something. Have you checked the graphics control panels to ensure bit depth, etc. are the same?
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Aluminum said:
It could be a laptop issue depending on the video card, for example haswell's DP 1.2 support is some kind of weird hack that doesn't work with the converters, apparently there are similar problems with some lower power/U version intel cpus. This affects optimus too since even though the nvidia gpu might do DP 1.2 correctly it has to pass through the intel gpu's display logic. Similar reason to why most 9xxM laptops don't have hdmi 2.0 ports :(
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Hrm, thanks for the tips. Fiddled around with color settings, nothing seemed to work. Gave it up for a bad job and decided to live with the washed out colors - I don't work from home all that often so oh well.
 
Can anyone confirm if KS8000 or KS9000 TVs display 4K@60 4:4:4 in Game mode? All reviews/forums talk about either 4k@60 4:4:4 in PC or with UHD color enabled or small input lag in Game mode, but nothing is said about both at the same time.......
 
So, I'm curious how normal this is. It seems pretty severe to me. Do I have a bad unit? Is this common for the JS9000? On a white screen, it's most noticeable. Not really noticeable while gaming usually. But check out the brown areas I have on the left and right. Far more noticeable on the right. :/ I haven't had this thing that long but it has looked like this from day one. Anything I can do?

Thanks.

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Hey guys, what is the difference between KS9000 and KS9500 besides the latter being curved. When I compared the two side by side at my local retailer, the 9500 looked much better in terms of picture quality. Why is this the case, is it because of the curved screen?

Is an LG OLED worth it over these quantom dot panels?
 
shadow2761 said:
Hey guys, what is the difference between KS9000 and KS9500 besides the latter being curved. When I compared the two side by side at my local retailer, the 9500 looked much better in terms of picture quality. Why is this the case, is it because of the curved screen?

Is an LG OLED worth it over these quantom dot panels?
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Did you check the settings were the same on both TVs?

OLEDs require a lot of processing to produce linear colours.
Unfortunately this requires a faster processor than they are using, the lag is too high.
Atm OLED = too much lag for gaming.
Its not a problem for video.
 
Hmm yes, that does look promising, they initially had higher lag figures. They have retested.
Its only downside appears to be pretty low peak brightness (rated 6.4/10) which is a bit sad for an HDR/DolbyVision TV.
At least brightness is a bit better than last years models.

I wouldnt say no if someone else pays for it :)
 
Pahha said:
Can anyone confirm if KS8000 or KS9000 TVs display 4K@60 4:4:4 in Game mode? All reviews/forums talk about either 4k@60 4:4:4 in PC or with UHD color enabled or small input lag in Game mode, but nothing is said about both at the same time.......
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I will take a look when I get home tonight

EDIT: With the input label as PC, game mode is disabled.
 
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So, I'm curious how normal this is. It seems pretty severe to me. Do I have a bad unit? Is this common for the JS9000? On a white screen, it's most noticeable. Not really noticeable while gaming usually. But check out the brown areas I have on the left and right. Far more noticeable on the right. :/ I haven't had this thing that long but it has looked like this from day one. Anything I can do?

Thanks.
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mine doesnt look anything like that
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ForgedReality said:
So, I'm curious how normal this is. It seems pretty severe to me. Do I have a bad unit? Is this common for the JS9000? On a white screen, it's most noticeable. Not really noticeable while gaming usually. But check out the brown areas I have on the left and right. Far more noticeable on the right. :/ I haven't had this thing that long but it has looked like this from day one. Anything I can do?

Thanks.
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I had this happen on mine (blotches in a different area) and ended up getting a full return. This seems pretty common for the curved design (check AVS thread).

You can try massaging the screen with a microfiber cloth to help lessen it, but it will still be present.
 
another-user said:
mine doesnt look anything like that
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aeglos said:
I had this happen on mine (blotches in a different area) and ended up getting a full return. This seems pretty common for the curved design (check AVS thread).

You can try massaging the screen with a microfiber cloth to help lessen it, but it will still be present.
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Thanks guys. It does look like mine is pretty bad. I've applied for an exchange through Crutchfield. Hopefully they cross-ship. :/
 
Pahha said:
Thanks for checking! Could you also try game mode+HDMI UHD color ?


Input lag in PC mode is 38ms according to rtings, so not that bad.....
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I'm pretty sure enabling UHD color is what prompts game mode to be grayed out. I remember this being the case on my JU6500.
 
Skott said:
Not that great either
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I used to use game mode on the JU7500 because of that spec, but since I started using AMP (Auto Motion Plus) set to "clear", I get a way better gaming experience.

Once in a while, I'll turn game mode back on just to see, but it's never as good as using AMP/clear. Maybe that has to do with my video card.
 
chromatics said:
I used to use game mode on the JU7500 because of that spec, but since I started using AMP (Auto Motion Plus) set to "clear", I get a way better gaming experience.

Once in a while, I'll turn game mode back on just to see, but it's never as good as using AMP/clear. Maybe that has to do with my video card.
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I just tried this, and it's fucking terrible! It was so fucking laggy, I couldn't play TF2 for shit. Sure, it was smoothed out, but that created huge amounts of delay. So goddamned annoying!

Use PC mode. You don't suffer the image degradation, and there is no noticeable input lag. It's SOOOO much better! I don't know why you'd use the method you describe and actually feel like that's playable.
 
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I just tried this, and it's fucking terrible! ...
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Easy there, tiger. For whatever reason, AMP works wonders for me. Just a suggestion, no idea why it has the opposite effect for you. I only use PC mode when I need 4:4:4

Try power cycling your TV (unplug the cord, then back in). Sometimes mine will also lag and this seems to sort things out.
 
There's no doubt that AMP introduces more input lag, but it's a trade-off to get the benefit of the smooth motion processing. I've used both modes pretty extensively and I like each at different times and with different games. In twitch games where I want the crispest mouse control, Game mode with AMP disabled is where it's at. In other games where mouse response doesn't matter as much, sometimes the extra smoothness and fluidity of AMP makes for an awesome experience (and you typically get used to the extra lag pretty quickly IME).

Some will say this mode or that mode is trash, unusable, etc. Personally, I like the flexibility of these sets and their ability to tune things to your liking. With traditional monitors, what you get out of the box is what you're stuck with, be it good or bad. At least with these, we can have some degree of control over our input lag and motion processing. (y)
 
Hi! I'm wondering if anyone who owns a KS8000 (or KS9000, perhaps) can answer a few questions I have about the input lag. I'd like to be able to use the TV as a PC display for gaming, so I'm interested in whether it's possible to have the lowest possible input lag of 20ms at 4k @ 60hz @ 4:4:4 chroma. It seems like "HDMI UHD Color" must be enabled for 4:4:4 chroma, so can Game Mode be enabled while that is on? Also, the Rtings review says that PC Mode increases the input lag - must PC Mode be enabled even for 4k @ 60hz?
 
Unfortunately 4K TVs exhibit higher lag when 4:4:4 is enabled at 4K res.
Using motion interpolation to get 120Hz adds even more.

The only way to get low lag is to remove some of the processing.
Lower colour depth is necessary, so no 4:4:4.

Using PC mode allows you to enable 4:4:4.
It isnt required for 4K video, Blu Rays are 4:2:0
 
shadow2761 said:
The new LG E6 OLEDS are ok for gaming

Input Lag of TVs

But I still don't know if the extra few $K is going to be worth it.

Might just go for a KS9000.
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The C6 is a lot cheaper and has the same input lag reading... Unless you want flat then E6 is your only option..

On a side note the C6 OLED is available from Cleveland Plasma for $2450 shipped. Not much more than the current price on the KS9000 atm. I'm really tempted, just afraid 55" will be too big. Might just wait it out for the Dell OLED...
 
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chromatics said:
ut sin
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jrajav said:
Hi! I'm wondering if anyone who owns a KS8000 (or KS9000, perhaps) can answer a few questions I have about the input lag. I'd like to be able to use the TV as a PC display for gaming, so I'm interested in whether it's possible to have the lowest possible input lag of 20ms at 4k @ 60hz @ 4:4:4 chroma. It seems like "HDMI UHD Color" must be enabled for 4:4:4 chroma, so can Game Mode be enabled while that is on? Also, the Rtings review says that PC Mode increases the input lag - must PC Mode be enabled even for 4k @ 60hz?
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So I had used the ks8000 and I also have the Leo Bodnar input lag tester.

My findings were that you need to use game mode to get the lowest lag of 21ms. You can enable UHD color even in Game Mode. It will give you 4:2:2 chroma, just like last years JU and JS series tvs. The lag did not increase when enabling UHD color.

The lag did increase in pc mode where I showed on the leo bodnar to be 38ms, this will give you 4:4:4 with UHD color turned on.

My recommendation is to use game mode with UHD color turned on. If you have to surf web pages use pc mode with UHD color on to get 4:4:4.

Hope this helps.
 
x3sphere said:
The C6 is a lot cheaper and has the same input lag reading... Unless you want flat then E6 is your only option..

On a side note the C6 OLED is available from Cleveland Plasma for $2450 shipped. Not much more than the current price on the KS9000 atm. I'm really tempted, just afraid 55" will be too big. Might just wait it out for the Dell OLED...
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That is a good deal for the c6.

I will say that playing games on the ks8000 at 21ms input lag versus the 34ms of the oled's, to me there is a noticeable difference in controller responsiveness for games. If input lag is something your super sensitive to, I would check them both out before purchasing. The Oled clearly has a vastly superior picture quality but everyone already knows that :p
 
coolhandm3 said:
That is a good deal for the c6.

I will say that playing games on the ks8000 at 21ms input lag versus the 34ms of the oled's, to me there is a noticeable difference in controller responsiveness for games. If input lag is something your super sensitive to, I would check them both out before purchasing. The Oled clearly has a vastly superior picture quality but everyone already knows that :p
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On the ratings tv lg e6 review Q&A you can see that the pc mode is high around 60 ms 4k 60hz 4:4:4 when the input is labeled 'PC'. If you also select the 'Game' picture mode it goes down to 48 ms. The game mode is 34ms but I don't know if you can get 4k @60hz chroma 4:2:2. On the samsungs using the game mode you loose chroma 4:4:4 to 4:2:2 but you keep 4k @60hz and low 20ms input lag. On the vizio p series you loose 4:4:4 in game mode to chroma 4:2:0 4k @60hz low 17ms input lag, you can keep 4:4:4 in game mode 1080p @120hz 17ms input lag.


The reviewer confirmed pc input with game mode is 48ms, pc input no game mode 60ms.
The question is if you can use the game mode without pc input for lowest input lag of 34ms and get 4k 60hz chroma 4:2:2 ?


tv ratings lg E6 scroll down to Q&A:
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Hmm nice find.

I am a bit worried now. Was very set on getting the new OLED, but as a big gamer it might affect me. I like the new ASUS ROG but it isnonly 34" and dont want to go backwards in screen size to smaller than my current 40" Philips. That's why I was looking at the 55e6.

But im not sure what the difference is between 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 for gaming?
 
shadowj said:
Does anyone knows how to turn off wifi direct for JS9000 ?
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I couldn't find an option for this. If anyone knows, please help me.
I already disconnected the tv from the internet, but wi-fi direct is still on.
My wife is using a Samsung S6 Edge, and she can, whenever she wants, to turn off the tv.
Thats not a problem, but what about the neighboors ?
 
seba said:
On the ratings tv lg e6 review Q&A you can see that the pc mode is high around 60 ms 4k 60hz 4:4:4 when the input is labeled 'PC'. If you also select the 'Game' picture mode it goes down to 48 ms. The game mode is 34ms but I don't know if you can get 4k @60hz chroma 4:2:2. On the samsungs using the game mode you loose chroma 4:4:4 to 4:2:2 but you keep 4k @60hz and low 20ms input lag. On the vizio p series you loose 4:4:4 in game mode to chroma 4:2:0 4k @60hz low 17ms input lag, you can keep 4:4:4 in game mode 1080p @120hz 17ms input lag.


The reviewer confirmed pc input with game mode is 48ms, pc input no game mode 60ms.
The question is if you can use the game mode without pc input for lowest input lag of 34ms and get 4k 60hz chroma 4:2:2 ?


tv ratings lg E6 scroll down to Q&A:
LG E6 Review (OLED55E6P, OLED65E6P)
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Now I'm really confused. A bunch of people on AVS have said the input lag was considerably improved even under PC mode (4:4:4). That 48ms+ figure would suggest it's barely better than the 2015 sets, which were doing mid 50s in PC mode.

I need low input lag under 4:4:4, the difference from 4:2:2 is noticeable to me (even in games). Skeptical of the rtings result personally...

For what it's worth, on my EC9300 it maintains 4:4:4 chroma as long as input is labeled PC, even in Game mode. But not sure if it works like this for the 4K sets.
 
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Now I'm really confused. A bunch of people on AVS have said the input lag was considerably improved even under PC mode (4:4:4). That 48ms+ figure would suggest it's barely better than the 2015 sets, which were doing mid 50s in PC mode.

I need low input lag under 4:4:4, the difference from 4:2:2 is noticeable to me (even in games). Skeptical of the rtings result personally...

For what it's worth, on my EC9300 it maintains 4:4:4 chroma as long as input is labeled PC, even in Game mode. But not sure if it works like this for the 4K sets.
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Alot of people on AVS state they feel no lag and even 50-60ms is not an issue. I would not go by them when it comes to input lag.

I tested a ton of oled's with my Leo Bodnar in the last few weeks and posted my findings in the b6 thread there and on avforums. PC mode on the new 2016 oleds are slower then normal game mode. All of my testings showed upwards of 16ms more lag in pc mode.

If you are using a pc, you will need to turn off vsync or use fast sync if your FPS is high enough to get lag back down to a reasonable level.

If your using a console like the PS4, I would stay away from Oled as the input lag is too high, you cant turn off vsync on the ps4 and almost all the games use it so your stuck with higher lag. Go pc if your using a oled 2016 model, turn off vsync and you dont need to worry about the 34ms input lag on the c6, e6 or g6. B6 I tested even on the newest firmware still showing 44ms in game mode.
 
x3sphere said:
Now I'm really confused. A bunch of people on AVS have said the input lag was considerably improved even under PC mode (4:4:4). That 48ms+ figure would suggest it's barely better than the 2015 sets, which were doing mid 50s in PC mode.

I need low input lag under 4:4:4, the difference from 4:2:2 is noticeable to me (even in games). Skeptical of the rtings result personally...

For what it's worth, on my EC9300 it maintains 4:4:4 chroma as long as input is labeled PC, even in Game mode. But not sure if it works like this for the 4K sets.
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I have the ec9300 too and use pc mode with game mode, you find the input lag ok for you? My Leo Bodnar sometime shows as low as 29ms for lag but can jump up to 45ms.... ugh... Even when it shows 29ms it feels much closer to 45ms.
 
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