Nexus M ( 2015 ) Smartphone

Assuming Google does ditch the carriers (we don't know this for a fact), it would fit with the general trend. Carriers have all dumped phone subsidies and 2-year contracts, some phone manufacturers already have their own financing options when you buy direct from them (e.g. Motorola and Apple), and Apple has already announced their own iPhone yearly upgrade program when you buy direct from them. Manufacturers dumping carriers and exclusively selling direct to consumers would be a logical next step, assuming Universal LTE becomes a standard on all phones sold.

However, while it may be possible I don't think its a good idea yet. Only Apple is in a position to really do that since they have multi-year financing and a yearly upgrade program, which are two big reasons why people buy from carriers (that, and guaranteed compatibility with that carrier's network). No Android manufacturer has both, and no manufacturer can't yet guarantee compatibility with all networks at launch (e.g. Verizon not activating Nexus 6 devices even though it supports their network).
 
King of Heroes said:
Assuming Google does ditch the carriers (we don't know this for a fact), it would fit with the general trend. Carriers have all dumped phone subsidies and 2-year contracts, some phone manufacturers already have their own financing options when you buy direct from them (e.g. Motorola and Apple), and Apple has already announced their own iPhone yearly upgrade program when you buy direct from them. Manufacturers dumping carriers and exclusively selling direct to consumers would be a logical next step, assuming Universal LTE becomes a standard on all phones sold.

However, while it may be possible I don't think its a good idea yet. Only Apple is in a position to really do that since they have multi-year financing and a yearly upgrade program, which are two big reasons why people buy from carriers (that, and guaranteed compatibility with that carrier's network). No Android manufacturer has both, and no manufacturer can't yet guarantee compatibility with all networks at launch (e.g. Verizon not activating Nexus 6 devices even though it supports their network).
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You're assuming they cannot...when in reality they choose not to.

Samsung has the market muscle to do all of this. They CHOOSE to make 100 different unique snowflake SKUs for every individual carrier and region of every handset they sell. They could at any time make like the Nexus and have one global handset version of every device, saving gobs of money-and tons of consumer consternation at corporate idiocy.

Carrier idiocy is beyond anyone's control. Becauase the f*ckheads at carriers are as whimsical as they are idiotic.
 
King of Heroes said:
Assuming Google does ditch the carriers (we don't know this for a fact), it would fit with the general trend. Carriers have all dumped phone subsidies and 2-year contracts, some phone manufacturers already have their own financing options when you buy direct from them (e.g. Motorola and Apple), and Apple has already announced their own iPhone yearly upgrade program when you buy direct from them. Manufacturers dumping carriers and exclusively selling direct to consumers would be a logical next step, assuming Universal LTE becomes a standard on all phones sold.

However, while it may be possible I don't think its a good idea yet. Only Apple is in a position to really do that since they have multi-year financing and a yearly upgrade program, which are two big reasons why people buy from carriers (that, and guaranteed compatibility with that carrier's network). No Android manufacturer has both, and no manufacturer can't yet guarantee compatibility with all networks at launch (e.g. Verizon not activating Nexus 6 devices even though it supports their network).
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Apple is doing it right too. They are offering their own financing complete with Apple Care built in but they are NOT taking it out of the carriers which leaves the choice in the consumers hand. In fact some of the carriers (T-Mobile and Sprint) are offering their own version of the iPhone deal, with slightly cheaper prices, in order to try to keep the business in house. That's what I call good for consumers. Saves the consumer money, gets them a new device yearly, and they have multiple choices.
 
I'm still upset no Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, especially T-Mobile.

And I call BS on Google's excuse, that they want full control and no carrier slow downs no carrier involvement mucking things up.

Apple


Carriers don't get in the way of Apple and iOS updates. A Verizon or ATT iPhone 6S get's updated straight from Apple, you don't see Verizon users waiting longer for the iOS update, than an international iPhone user, or Apple having to give the update to ATT first and then let them, hand out the update later to it's customers.

Nope, if you have a Sprint, or T-Mobile, or Verizon iPhone, you just go to iTunes or Apple for the update, and they have the update available at the exact the same time, no matter which carrier phone you own.

My point is, carriers aren't in the way whatsoever, and Apple sells a shit ton of iPhone's through these carriers. How many sales of iPhone's are done directly through the Apple store and site only, like Google wants people to buy the Nexus 6P through the Play Store only ?

Google should sell the Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, and not give the BS excuse it's because of updates or some crap.
 
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Apple isn't really it. Apple sells orders of magnitudes more than the Nexus phones do. Apple has WAY more clout against the carriers than Google does.

Now if Samsung tried this, I suspect they would succeed.
 
Zorachus said:
I'm still upset no Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, especially T-Mobile.

And I call BS on Google's excuse, that they want full control and no carrier slow downs no carrier involvement mucking things up.

Apple


Carriers don't get in the way of Apple and iOS updates. A Verizon or ATT iPhone 6S get's updated straight from Apple, you don't see Verizon users waiting longer for the iOS update, than an international iPhone user, or Apple having to give the update to ATT first and then let them, hand out the update later to it's customers.

Nope, if you have a Sprint, or T-Mobile, or Verizon iPhone, you just go to iTunes or Apple for the update, and they have the update available at the exact the same time, no matter which carrier phone you own.

My point is, carriers aren't in the way whatsoever, and Apple sells a shit ton of iPhone's through these carriers. How many sales of iPhone's are done directly through the Apple store and site only, like Google wants people to buy the Nexus 6P through the Play Store only ?

Google should sell the Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, and not give the BS excuse it's because of updates or some crap.
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You fail at factoring one critical thing. And it is a mountain.

To sell iPhone, Apple from the beginning required carriers to butt out from firmware and software. They weren't allowed to pollute the iPhone devices with their crapware advert apps, and Apple had complete bottom to top control of the hardware and software. All updates came direct from Apple, with no interference. Apple required this from Day 1. Which is why when iPhone started only one carrier agreed to sell it (ATT) and everyone else laughed and thought Apple would fail miserably (Sprint, VZW, TMo)...and we all know how right the other carriers were.

Google is finally putting its foot down 7 years or so too late and doing what they should have done initially...but were too afraid to do initially due to fears of even breaking into the market.
 
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Apple isn't really it. Apple sells orders of magnitudes more than the Nexus phones do. Apple has WAY more clout against the carriers than Google does.

Now if Samsung tried this, I suspect they would succeed.
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But the Nexus phones are like the iPhone, meaning they are stock vanilla OS's, no manufacturer UI, no bloat. And updated directly from the source = Google.

The new Nexus phones all share the same internals, so no separate version for ATT and a different one for Verizon. Point being there's just one phone, and is updated only from Google. So...that's just like the iPhone then. It's makes zero difference if Carriers sell them, that won't slow down or interfere with anything, just like the iPhone get's the iOS updates straight from Apple all ready at the same exact time, because the phone is the same across the board for everyone.
 
Zorachus said:
But the Nexus phones are like the iPhone, meaning they are stock vanilla OS's, no manufacturer UI, no bloat. And updated directly from the source = Google.

The new Nexus phones all share the same internals, so no separate version for ATT and a different one for Verizon. Point being there's just one phone, and is updated only from Google. So...that's just like the iPhone then. It's makes zero difference if Carriers sell them, that won't slow down or interfere with anything, just like the iPhone get's the iOS updates straight from Apple all ready at the same exact time, because the phone is the same across the board for everyone.
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Same was for the 2014 Nexus.

But to get Wifi calling and VoLTE to work...the carriers boned Google into needing to make different firmware images and radios for every single carrier. While there was 1 device, there were 5-6 different firmware images for every update revision.
 
Zorachus said:
But the Nexus phones are like the iPhone, meaning they are stock vanilla OS's, no manufacturer UI, no bloat. And updated directly from the source = Google.

The new Nexus phones all share the same internals, so no separate version for ATT and a different one for Verizon. Point being there's just one phone, and is updated only from Google. So...that's just like the iPhone then. It's makes zero difference if Carriers sell them, that won't slow down or interfere with anything, just like the iPhone get's the iOS updates straight from Apple all ready at the same exact time, because the phone is the same across the board for everyone.
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I don't believe that is entirely true with the Nexus 6. The AT&T version had AT&T only software on it and you need root to get rid of it. AT&T pushes updates through for the AT&T Nexus 6. At its heart it is a Nexus and you can get rid of the AT&T bloat and restrictions but they were able to get Google to bend over somewhat in this instance.
 
Skripka said:
Same was for the 2014 Nexus.

But to get Wifi calling and VoLTE to work...the carriers boned Google into needing to make different firmware images and radios for every single carrier. While there was 1 device, there were 5-6 different firmware images for every update revision.
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Well how does Apple get this to work so smoothly for different iPhone's with different radios and modems for each carrier ?

When an iOS update is ready, it's ready for everybody at once, there's not a specific iOS 9.01 update for Verizon, and then a week later a minor little different one for ATT. No, it's all the same update for everyone.

And there's no reason Google can't handle the Nexus phones the same way.
 
Zorachus said:
Well how does Apple get this to work so smoothly for different iPhone's with different radios and modems for each carrier ?

When an iOS update is ready, it's ready for everybody at once, there's not a specific iOS 9.01 update for Verizon, and then a week later a minor little different one for ATT. No, it's all the same update for everyone.

And there's no reason Google can't handle the Nexus phones the same way.
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Probably because all the background tower voodoo was required to be universal across carriers for iPhone by Apple....whereas Google has played nice to build marketshare letting carriers bastardize things doing things their own way until now. Apple really has an iron-fisted control over everything iPhone, and the carriers sans ATT only grudgingly gave in when they realised ATT would steal all their smartphone business if they did not.

Some people on Sprint still have Nexus 6 devices that don't get calls or SMS or voicemails right even at stock...and no one at Motorola or Sprint can explain how or why. My guess is tower programming in back corners of the USA that aren't up-to-date....but that is just a theory.
 
Just saying "Apple does it, therefore Google should do it" isn't really a good way to look at it.

1). Apple gives much more of a damn about selling hardware than Google does.

2). The open source nature of Android makes it really hard for Google to get any leverage. If Google starts threatening to cut them off the carriers can just give them the finger, go directly to the device manufacturers, and make deals with them. They can't do this with Apple because only Apple makes iOS devices. The carriers have no alternative if they want to keep selling them.

For Google to have Apple's leverage they would need to become the sole manufacturer of Android devices (or give a single manufacturer the sole right to make them). To be the sole manufacturer they would have to prevent anyone from accessing the source code for Android. To prevent anyone from accessing the source code for Android they would have to make Android closed source. To make Android closed source they would have to remove any open source code that isn't allowed to exist under a closed source license. To remove any---you get the idea.
 
well I just cancelled my pre-order for the 5x

WHen I ran the size comparison here its just too fucking big to be worth changing from my g4. I wanted a smaller phone & this thing is way bigger then the 5
 
bastage said:
well I just cancelled my pre-order for the 5x

WHen I ran the size comparison here its just too fucking big to be worth changing from my g4. I wanted a smaller phone & this thing is way bigger then the 5
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Going from a G4 to a 5x is kind of a sideways move IMO...
 
King of Heroes said:
Just saying "Apple does it, therefore Google should do it" isn't really a good way to look at it.

1). Apple gives much more of a damn about selling hardware than Google does.

2). The open source nature of Android makes it really hard for Google to get any leverage. If Google starts threatening to cut them off the carriers can just give them the finger, go directly to the device manufacturers, and make deals with them. They can't do this with Apple because only Apple makes iOS devices. The carriers have no alternative if they want to keep selling them.

For Google to have Apple's leverage they would need to become the sole manufacturer of Android devices (or give a single manufacturer the sole right to make them). To be the sole manufacturer they would have to prevent anyone from accessing the source code for Android. To prevent anyone from accessing the source code for Android they would have to make Android closed source. To make Android closed source they would have to remove any open source code that isn't allowed to exist under a closed source license. To remove any---you get the idea.
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Google's learning the hard way: when you give up control of your platform... well, don't be surprised when you lose control of your platform.

I get the impression that Google sometimes wonders what would have happened if it went a more iPhone-like route. We wouldn't have the diversity in phones that we do today, but we also wouldn't have carriers wrecking Android for both Google and fans.
 
If Google went the iPhone route we'd have two overpriced low to at mid end choices. And, even with just two options instead of dozens still suffer from buggy and laggy iOS. Three releases (9.0, 9.0.1 and 9.0.2) in two weeks and it still has a ton of bugs, lag and missing features.
 
Still debating canceling my 5X order. I want to like it, but there really isn't anything wrong with my Moto X 2014. Doesn't seem like much of an upgrade.
 
kirbyrj said:
Still debating canceling my 5X order. I want to like it, but there really isn't anything wrong with my Moto X 2014. Doesn't seem like much of an upgrade.
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I agree except maybe for camera. You should get 6.0 pretty quick.
 
Are the ship-by dates at the Nexus store even reliable. Something tells me it's going to take longer than 5-6 weeks, or whatever.
 
Megalith said:
Are the ship-by dates at the Nexus store even reliable. Something tells me it's going to take longer than 5-6 weeks, or whatever.
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Last year ship-by dates were pretty bang on. A few people had their's revised or fell through the cracks (like me).
 
I ended up buying the old nexus 6, the price difference on the 6p didnt seem like I was getting much for the increased cost.
 
munkle said:
I ended up buying the old nexus 6, the price difference on the 6p didnt seem like I was getting much for the increased cost.
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Thats a point, i haven't even looked at the price of the Nexus 6 since the new Nexus phones going on sale. Thanks man, going to check them out now.
 
The older N6 has price point as its main advantage.
To me (and having handled it first hand) I was not impressed with the its physical design/screen.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Google-Nexus-6P,Google-Nexus-6/phones/9587,8626

Do both the standard and layered comparison, as the thickness difference is quite significant.
0.29" (6P) vs the 0.40" (6) is a 27.5% difference. To me, the 6 was appropriately named the shamu, considering how inefficient it was with its form factor.

If neither the form factor or older sensor bother you, by all means, take advantage of the continued price reduction on the Nexus 6 :p
 
I'm still using a 2013 Moto X and I think Motorola has the best implementation of Android for my needs. I almost did a knee jerk reaction and ordered a Moto X Pure when first hearing the specs. I was initially underwhelmed but the more I read up on both the 5X and 6P along with the 6.0 updates the more I think I might put in an order. Motorola and Sprint has pretty much given up on updating the 2013 Moto X. Looks like they aren't planning on releasing 6.0 for it and Sprint still hasn't pushed Lollipop for it.

I really like that they added the always listening "Ok Google" along with ambient display improvements. This comes in handy to select music and use navigation in the car. I have it setup with a magnet mount utilizing Bluetooth.

Also this may sound stupid but I'm excited they actually added in the option to have a rotating home screen. I horizontal thumb type so it's a must for me for apps like FB Messenger bubble chat which relies on the home screen orientation. I'm currently using Nova Launcher without issues but using the Google Now launcher will be something different.

The Now OnTap seems like a killer app to me, won't have to copy and paste addresses or names from chats or websites for navigation or reviews. Really looking forward to this feature. I think this would eliminate a lot of multitasking situations for me.

The camera also seems really improved with the new Sony sensor and laser focus. Hopefully it doesn't suffer too much without OIS, the still images looks like they will be fine.

While I'm not really that excited about the finger print scanner, I think it is nice they are pushing for it to be a widely used api with different companies and apps.

I think I'm basically just making this post to talk myself into pushing the order button. They finally added in the features I didn't want to lose that I had with my Moto X. My only dilemma is that I would prefer the size of the 5X over the 6P but the 32GB 5X is too damn close to the price of the base 32GB 6P. For $70 more you get a Samsung OLED display, aluminium body, stereo speakers, bigger battery, SD 810 v2.1, along with the chance the Huawei finger print scanner might be higher quality.
 
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I'm tempted to move away from my VZ Note 4 to the 6P. Getting tired of the lack of software updates and a locked down phone. The only thing that's really holding me back is the SD 810. There are some nasty reviews about the chip throttling. I know v2.1 addresses the issue somewhat...but will it outperform my 805, especially in the long run when playing games? I guess I have to wait for reviews based off usage to really know.
 
Tbird87 said:
I'm still using a 2013 Moto X and I think Motorola has the best implementation of Android for my needs. I almost did a knee jerk reaction and ordered a Moto X Pure when first hearing the specs. I was initially underwhelmed but the more I read up on both the 5X and 6P along with the 6.0 updates the more I think I might put in an order. Motorola and Sprint has pretty much given up on updating the 2013 Moto X. Looks like they aren't planning on releasing 6.0 for it and Sprint still hasn't pushed Lollipop for it.

I really like that they added the always listening "Ok Google" along with ambient display improvements. This comes in handy to select music and use navigation in the car. I have it setup with a magnet mount utilizing Bluetooth.

Also this may sound stupid but I'm excited they actually added in the option to have a rotating home screen. I horizontal thumb type so it's a must for me for apps like FB Messenger bubble chat which relies on the home screen orientation. I'm currently using Nova Launcher without issues but using the Google Now launcher will be something different.

The Now OnTap seems like a killer app to me, won't have to copy and paste addresses or names from chats or websites for navigation or reviews. Really looking forward to this feature. I think this would eliminate a lot of multitasking situations for me.

The camera also seems really improved with the new Sony sensor and laser focus. Hopefully it doesn't suffer too much without OIS, the still images looks like they will be fine.

While I'm not really that excited about the finger print scanner, I think it is nice they are pushing for it to be a widely used api with different companies and apps.

I think I'm basically just making this post to talk myself into pushing the order button. They finally added in the features I didn't want to lose that I had with my Moto X. My only dilemma is that I would prefer the size of the 5X over the 6P but the 32GB 5X is too damn close to the price of the base 32GB 6P. For $70 more you get a Samsung OLED display, aluminium body, stereo speakers, bigger battery, SD 810 v2.1, along with the chance the Huawei finger print scanner might be higher quality.
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2013 Moto X user here as well :). I pushed the order button twice already, and both times cancelled, lol. I might do the third time. The damn moto still works just fine, even though its on the slow side. If I can hold until the next year, but its so hard to pass on the 6P.
 
SuperToast92 said:
I'm tempted to move away from my VZ Note 4 to the 6P. Getting tired of the lack of software updates and a locked down phone. The only thing that's really holding me back is the SD 810. There are some nasty reviews about the chip throttling. I know v2.1 addresses the issue somewhat...but will it outperform my 805, especially in the long run when playing games? I guess I have to wait for reviews based off usage to really know.
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There is a little less throttling, but not much...

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Still not worth it. The 810 is just a Fail. And, is the primary reason I wont be getting the 6P... When the new phones with the SD820 come out, very soon, I will just feel like a dumbass, I'm almost sure of it. I'm waiting.
 
Warrior said:
There is a little less throttling, but not much...

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Still not worth it. The 810 is just a Fail. And, is the primary reason I wont be getting the 6P... When the new phones with the SD820 come out, very soon, I will just feel like a dumbass, I'm almost sure of it. I'm waiting.
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That graph doesn't really help much... The 6P is running vanilla android and could have kernel cpu optimizations that the LG Flex does not..
 
felt said:
That graph doesn't really help much... The 6P is running vanilla android and could have kernel cpu optimizations that the LG Flex does not..
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Doesn't matter. It shows that the 810 still throttles horribly just like every version before it. Vanilla Android or not. The 810 throttles because it's a horrible chipset.

It's sad. The 5X will outperform the 6P overall. Maybe that's why the 5X only has 2GB RAM! Oh the conspiracy! ;)

Every carrier has an iPhone upgrade plan now.
Apple has it's own iPhone upgrade plan now.
iPhone users rejoice.

Nexus users get the shaft.
- No upgrade plan
- Not sold by carriers
- No financing by Google unless you use Project Fi
- The argument that some people make about multiple builds for the carriers being the cause of carriers not selling the Nexus line fell flat on it's face today. It never had a leg to stand on in the first place but now there's one single image for ALL Nexus 6 devices for Android 6.0 which really kills that excuse.

Bottom line Google fucked up hard.
 
Google didn't fuck anything up. It was a calculated decision. You can't compare the business model of Google and companies like Apple because they are completely different at the core.

Google is a marketing company that makes almost all of their money from services and advertisement. The phones they release in the Nexus line are platforms to show off the newest and greatest features of their services.

Apple is the mirror image, it looks the same on the outside but it's flipped. They are a hardware company who makes money off of their physical products. They offer software but it's just a means to sell their hardware. It's an exact opposite of Google.

So saying that Google is doing it wrong is the thing that is wrong. They are doing it right. You just can't look at one company and say that the other is wrong because it doesn't follow the others business plan.
 
lloose said:
Google didn't fuck anything up. It was a calculated decision. You can't compare the business model of Google and companies like Apple because they are completely different at the core.

Google is a marketing company that makes almost all of their money from services and advertisement. The phones they release in the Nexus line are platforms to show off the newest and greatest features of their services.

Apple is the mirror image, it looks the same on the outside but it's flipped. They are a hardware company who makes money off of their physical products. They offer software but it's just a means to sell their hardware. It's an exact opposite of Google.

So saying that Google is doing it wrong is the thing that is wrong. They are doing it right. You just can't look at one company and say that the other is wrong because it doesn't follow the others business plan.
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That's the biggest crock of shit. When your competition does something better then you and it's something the consumer likes then you do something to combat it. The new iPhone every year thing is pretty damn impressive. Beats the hell out of a every other OEM. An already desirable device is now even more desirable by many.

Nexus devices are no longer just a developer device. They are a true brand and Google is half-assing it.

Google knows how coveted stock Android is.
Google knows how many people desire Nexus devices because they're easily modified/rooted.
Google knows how many people hate the OEM modifications.
Google knows how many people value fast updates.
Google knows how people use financing for devices.
Google knows that people use things like JUMP to change devices yearly.

Yet Google seemed to do everything they could to ignore all of that while castrating the devices themselves. No OIS (sorry the giant pixel excuse is weak). 2GB RAM in 5X. That shittastic 810 in the 6P. How does the P mean premium when the 5X is going to out perform it?

They fucked up.
 
That's the biggest crock of shit. When your competition does something better then you and it's something the consumer likes then you do something to combat it.
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That's like saying that Pizza Hut is in competition with Subway just because they are both restaurants. They both have different markets. Google makes almost nothing in their hardware department when compared to their services and Apple makes almost nothing on their services and software comparing it to their hardware sales. Call it bullshit all you want, it's the way it is. Google is NOT in the phone industry to sell phones, they want you to use their services and they want to collect the data you give them when you do. Apple is NOT in the phone industry to sell services, they want you to go into their store and drop $900 on a phone that they will make $600 profit on. Why should Google give a shit about if you want to buy their hardware? You will use it on any device you own anyways. Hell, Google usually updates their apps on Apple devices before Android, Iphone users are probably their biggest market anyways.
 
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I got my nexus 6 today, haven't opened it yet, I'm kind of debating returning it and getting the 6p. Money isn't a huge issue for me, but if I can save money and get something almost as good I'm fine with that.

Reasons I'm leaning towards 6p:
Screen is supposed to be better.
Finger print reader will be nice with android pay, I hate entering passcodes and the new chip cards are slow to approve compared to swiping, not sure if I would really use it though, if it's slow/cumbersome I'd rather just use my cards.
Camera is supposedly better but not by a huge amount, the slow motion would be nice but who knows if I would really use it.
Android sensor hub seems interesting but it wasn't really explained too indepth so I don't know if I am missing out on anything.

Reason I'm leaning towards old 6:
cheaper
same amount of ram, and 805 isn't the 810 (i'm not too impressed with the 810)
doesn't look like crap
don't have to buy more cables
has ois

Currently I'm coming from a developer note 4, it has some odd radio issues where it just drops to no signal and comes back to 2/3 bars 4g, it happens like once every couple days. I got a new sim to try out, also could be the rom I'm using but I didn't have these issues on 4.4 and samsung is slow at updating the verizon note 4 so I decided to go pure google. Basically the 6p has features I may use but I would really need to see some reviews of it.
 
Vermillion said:
That's the biggest crock of shit. When your competition does something better then you and it's something the consumer likes then you do something to combat it. The new iPhone every year thing is pretty damn impressive. Beats the hell out of a every other OEM. An already desirable device is now even more desirable by many.

Nexus devices are no longer just a developer device. They are a true brand and Google is half-assing it.

Google knows how coveted stock Android is.
Google knows how many people desire Nexus devices because they're easily modified/rooted.
Google knows how many people hate the OEM modifications.
Google knows how many people value fast updates.
Google knows how people use financing for devices.
Google knows that people use things like JUMP to change devices yearly.

Yet Google seemed to do everything they could to ignore all of that while castrating the devices themselves. No OIS (sorry the giant pixel excuse is weak). 2GB RAM in 5X. That shittastic 810 in the 6P. How does the P mean premium when the 5X is going to out perform it?

They fucked up.
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I generally understand and sympathize with what you're saying, but I think you're overestimating the value of the Nexus brand. It's extremely desirable... for a small chunk of the user base. Most Android users don't even know the Nexus line exists, let alone why they'd want it. They go with what's available in stores. It's important for Google to treat the Nexus series as more than just a reference for developers, but it's not even at a HTC One cachet level, let alone Samsung Galaxy.

I don't think you're necessarily in this boat, but I'm reminded a bit of what happens in PC vs. Mac arguments. There's invariably that one hardcore Windows gamer who doesn't know why anyone would buy a Mac, because surely the only reason anyone ever buys a computer is for gaming. It's that tendency to conflate the demands of a vocal few with the demands of everyone.
 
Aurelius said:
I generally understand and sympathize with what you're saying, but I think you're overestimating the value of the Nexus brand. It's extremely desirable... for a small chunk of the user base. Most Android users don't even know the Nexus line exists, let alone why they'd want it. They go with what's available in stores. It's important for Google to treat the Nexus series as more than just a reference for developers, but it's not even at a HTC One cachet level, let alone Samsung Galaxy.

I don't think you're necessarily in this boat, but I'm reminded a bit of what happens in PC vs. Mac arguments. There's invariably that one hardcore Windows gamer who doesn't know why anyone would buy a Mac, because surely the only reason anyone ever buys a computer is for gaming. It's that tendency to conflate the demands of a vocal few with the demands of everyone.
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I can actually speak to this first-hand. While I consider myself a techie, and I rooted phones before, I never heard of the Nexus line. So 2 years about, when I needed a new phone, I bought the Nexus 5 and loved it. I can definitely see how most general consumers have never heard of the line, they just don't advertise themselves as much as Apple does. So comparing to two, really doesn't make sense.
 
errr, did anyone notice that the spec page doesn't list MicroSD or the RGB Notification LED anymore for the 6P??? Did I miss some new development?
 
CannibalTrout said:
errr, did anyone notice that the spec page doesn't list MicroSD or the RGB Notification LED anymore for the 6P??? Did I miss some new development?
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It was never said that the 6P was ever going to have these features...
 
I must have missed the lack of SD, could have sworn I saw it listed on the google store specs, but the RGB LED was on the google store spec page and now it's not. I have a screenshot of it. I'll have to upload it later.
 
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