Galaxy Note 4

Yea....its relatively new, but already a year old on the iOS side of things (which alot of people take a dump on for being slow to adopting new things). Plus if HTC thinks its good enough for the mid end, why not for a Galaxy 4 high end next gen device?

It's better to release 64-bit right versus rushing it out with iPhone 5S that suffered from blue screen of death crashes, low memory crashes and still suffers from app and browser tab reloading when task switching due to low 1GB DRAM. There's also no convincing data that shows 64-bit app performance better than 32-bit.
 
Yea....its relatively new, but already a year old on the iOS side of things (which alot of people take a dump on for being slow to adopting new things). Plus if HTC thinks its good enough for the mid end, why not for a Galaxy 4 high end next gen device?

Have you seen any major development in 64bit yet? I certainly haven't heard of any
 
Have you seen any major development in 64bit yet? I certainly haven't heard of any

Have you ever seen AMD or Intel 64-bit devices with only 1GB DRAM?

You'll see Android 64-bit devices when they start shipping with 4GB DRAM or more.
 
Have you ever seen AMD or Intel 64-bit devices with only 1GB DRAM?

You'll see Android 64-bit devices when they start shipping with 4GB DRAM or more.

I'm amazed at how many people think that 64-bit's only advantage is the ability to use more RAM.
 
In real world use do I notice a difference going from Chrome 32-bit to 64-bit? None.

Some people even prefer 32-bit BF4 since it runs better on their system than 64-bit but maybe because they low memory.

Do I notice a difference going to >4GB DRAM? Heck yes. Same concept applies to phone with huge difference going from say 512MB to 2GB for switching between apps, launching new apps, split screen multitasking, etc.

64-bit is a stupid gimmick with only 1GB DRAM.
 
Have you seen any major development in 64bit yet? I certainly haven't heard of any

All I hear from similar threads about iOS being behind the times etc, I understand.
All i hear from Android threads is they`re pioneers in everything, and I understand.

My confusion here lies with this phone release.

Samsung Galaxy Note 4:
-Launched a mere week ago
-Life cycle till next year this time
-Launched with Kit Kat (whose lifecycle is very limited as L is on the verge of release)
-Has a considerable amount of ram
-Most likely updated to android L
Isn`t L suppose to be completely 64bit (although 32bit will still run on it).

So for a flagship device, thats suppose to be current (althought in 6 months a S6 will be launhced) for one year is already on its deathbed in regards to specs. Just saying.

Unless Samsung understands the S5 isnt selling well vs the Note and wants to drive its consumers to the S series by stifling specs on the Note 4.
 
In real world use do I notice a difference going from Chrome 32-bit to 64-bit? None.

Some people even prefer 32-bit BF4 since it runs better on their system than 64-bit but maybe because they low memory.

Do I notice a difference going to >4GB DRAM? Heck yes. Same concept applies to phone with huge difference going from say 512MB to 2GB for switching between apps, launching new apps, split screen multitasking, etc.

64-bit is a stupid gimmick with only 1GB DRAM.

Again were talking about the Note 4 with 3GB, which is alot more then 1 Gb.
 
Have you ever seen AMD or Intel 64-bit devices with only 1GB DRAM?

You'll see Android 64-bit devices when they start shipping with 4GB DRAM or more.

You can still get a performance boost out of 64bit with less than 4GB of RAM. 64bit just allows you to use more than 4GBs of ram
 
I'm amazed at how many people think that 64-bit's only advantage is the ability to use more RAM.

I know it hurts my eyes to see people still think that "64 bit ONLY means more RAMZ!"

as far as development goes all of Apple's services have 64 bit versions.
 
You can still get a performance boost out of 64bit with less than 4GB of RAM. 64bit just allows you to use more than 4GBs of ram

Why? 64 bit performance increases have nothing to do with being 64 bit unless you are working with huge numbers or amounts of ram.

I hope 64 bit will move forward but it is not more efficient on typical applications any normal consumer would use. That is none other than marketing BS. The main advantage is that hopefully it will simplify development when we finally have all devices and operating systems 64 bit capable. Other than the gains have nothing to do with 64 bit and could have been applied to a 32 bit cpu equally.

As for people saying the next gen is coming in 6 months. Well that is only true if you are willing to lose a phablet and a digitizer.
 
We've gone through this 64-bit argument way too often. Here's the gist:

Apple touting "64-bit" was undoubtedly a marketing hook, but that wasn't the real advantage. The advantage was going to ARMv8, which gave a huge efficiency boost; that's part of why a dual-core 1.3GHz A7 is roughly as fast as a quad-core 2.2GHz Snapdragon 800. You'll see a similar effect on Android when manufacturers start using both the L release and 64-bit processors (which should happen on a meaningful scale in 2015).

The Note 4's processor options are definitely fine, but the 32-bitness is something to be aware of if you're going to hold on to the phone for a long time and want maximum app compatibility. Then again, that's probably a non-issue if you're a HardOCP forum poster...
 
I'm amazed at how many people think that 64-bit's only advantage is the ability to use more RAM.

Assuming all else is the same, 64-bit processor has no advantage over a 32-bit processor for programs that don't take advantage of the extended 64-bit instruction set or extended addressable space.

The reason the A7 had a huge performance gain over the A6 for 32-bit apps was because the A7 is based on the ARM 53, which has additional registers. Its mainly the additional registers that gave the extra performance boost.

I'm more disappointed that the Note 4 is still based on the aging Krait 450.
 
Assuming all else is the same, 64-bit processor has no advantage over a 32-bit processor for programs that don't take advantage of the extended 64-bit instruction set or extended addressable space.

Well yeah...? Don't think anyone thought anything different.
 
Assuming all else is the same, 64-bit processor has no advantage over a 32-bit processor for programs that don't take advantage of the extended 64-bit instruction set or extended addressable space.

I don't doubt there are still some on here who would argue with this, seeing as they still tout the only advantage to 64bit is more memory.

I'm really anxious for all platforms to be 64bit capable. iOS/Android L/WP being 64bit will be an advantage.
 
Well yeah...? Don't think anyone thought anything different.

Some people were pointing out how the A7 (64-bit) in the iPhone 5S was superior to the A7 (32-bit) in the iPhone 5 and using it as an example of how 64-bit processor benefits performance... (I might be confusing forum members from other forums :confused:)
 
Assuming all else is the same, 64-bit processor has no advantage over a 32-bit processor for programs that don't take advantage of the extended 64-bit instruction set or extended addressable space.

The reason the A7 had a huge performance gain over the A6 for 32-bit apps was because the A7 is based on the ARM 53, which has additional registers. Its mainly the additional registers that gave the extra performance boost.
The reason the 64-bit SoCs are so much faster than the 32-bit ones is because they're literally faster chips. Yes, they happen to be able to run a new instruction set, address more memory, and they have more registers. But even the same old 32-bit binaries will also run faster. For example, in the move from A6->A7, they doubled the number of ALUs/FPUs and increased the number of instruction decoders from 3 to 7. This means with everything else equal, they get roughly twice the performance.

Summation: 64-bit chips are generally faster simply because they're newer and better than the 32-bit chips, completely regardless of the fact that they're 64-bit.
 
Kinda surprised, the hype train dying down on the Note 4.

Most tech blogs haven't said much since a week ago, and other Android forums very quiet on the Note 4.
 
Kinda surprised, the hype train dying down on the Note 4.

Most tech blogs haven't said much since a week ago, and other Android forums very quiet on the Note 4.

Not really. Considering the iPhone 6 got announced a few days ago, it's not surprising that it's taking the headlines.

But then, the iPhone 6 isn't really on any major news headlines.

Both smartphones look kinda de-hyped.
 
Kinda surprised, the hype train dying down on the Note 4.

Most tech blogs haven't said much since a week ago, and other Android forums very quiet on the Note 4.

Shouldn't be that surprised. Underwhelming device (relative to flagship expectations) that didn't bring much new to the table...and further, only paper release with no hardware for a month or so.

People are waiting for the next Nexus.
 
Shouldn't be that surprised. Underwhelming device (relative to flagship expectations) that didn't bring much new to the table...and further, only paper release with no hardware for a month or so.

People are waiting for the next Nexus.

And yet, the Nexus never sells well.

Every time I see Google launch a Nexus device, I always know that it will be a niche product.

Even if all these tech blogs go crazy about the Nexus 4, Nexus 5, etc, it never actually sells above 10 million, which is poor for a mass market product.
 
And yet, the Nexus never sells well.

Every time I see Google launch a Nexus device, I always know that it will be a niche product.

Even if all these tech blogs go crazy about the Nexus 4, Nexus 5, etc, it never actually sells above 10 million, which is poor for a mass market product.

That says more about the amount of money Google chooses to sink into marketing it. Samsung and Apple spend a stupid amount of money on PR and ads.
 
And yet, the Nexus never sells well.

Every time I see Google launch a Nexus device, I always know that it will be a niche product.

Even if all these tech blogs go crazy about the Nexus 4, Nexus 5, etc, it never actually sells above 10 million, which is poor for a mass market product.

I agree.

Did you know Nexus phone sales are well below 10 million each year, more like 1 million and under :(

The Galaxy Nexus was pretty popular back in the day, and records show it sold only like 800,000 world wide. The Nexus 4 was more popular, but I don't think it even broke 2 million phones sold worldwide, and the Nexus 5 was better, but again not much.

End of the day, Nexus phones make up super tiny small % of the smartphone market, they aren't even a blip on the radar for sales compared to the iPhone and Galaxy sales.

The iPhone 6 is expected to sell over 100 million phones in a year :eek: And the Galaxy S5 and Not 4 combined will probably sell 50 to 75 million phones. And the Nexus 6 maybe 2% of that.
 
The nexus gets more marketing and coverage than it deserves it is not and never has been a high end feature full phone. What exactly do you say to sell it? Its only popular with tech savvy due to stock android normal consumers don't find that to be so important they would sacrifice so much.
 
The nexus gets more marketing and coverage than it deserves it is not and never has been a high end feature full phone. What exactly do you say to sell it? Its only popular with tech savvy due to stock android normal consumers don't find that to be so important they would sacrifice so much.

You don't "sacrifice" so much, ZOMG no Touchwiz how can I live!...AAMOF I think just about everyone is sick of the other Androids terrible update lag.
 
Ya you do you really need a list? Nexus is almost never more than an soc on a decent display with anemic storage yet still lacking wxpandable storage. And as said most consumers dont care much about having the latest OS when they cant even tell what tbey gain from it.
 
I might wait for Note 5 to upgrade my S5 and hopefully a major upgrade than Note4. The S5 is plenty fast for an android phone and the screen is still beautiful.
 
The nexus gets more marketing and coverage than it deserves it is not and never has been a high end feature full phone. What exactly do you say to sell it? Its only popular with tech savvy due to stock android normal consumers don't find that to be so important they would sacrifice so much.

I think Nexus phones are so popular, due to them being the phone that runs the latest Android OS, which all other manufacturers base their UI's off.

So Android L, with Material Design, is a pretty big leap forward, and the Nexus 6, and Nexus 5, and GPE phones will be the first to run Android L, and will be cool to see the new stuff Google changed.

And then Samsung, and HTC will be using Android L, in next years phones like the S6 and M9 in March / April
 
Nexus is for those who want a clean and pure device without the bloatware. Its not a phone the masses like. They Want the bloatware, those gimicky tools that purists absolutely hate.

bottomline is if your in the Androidsphere you need to pick side and live with it:

either be purist, enjoy your software without the additional crap
or enjoy the bloatware like panorama selfie front cameras etc.

As I posted on another thread, 2014 has been the year of underachievement:

iPhone 6 doesnt have the hardware specs I was expecting
Note 4 Display is great hardware is lacking
Moto X 2014...what happened to battery life
S5...not impressed
G3 should be the G3 stylus
M8 (i think the only odd man out to an extent).

Hopefully 2015 launches some new interesting devices
 
Nexus is for those who want a clean and pure device without the bloatware.

I dunno... I have one of these Nexus 7s and it came with a million Google apps that I never remember installing. Every time I turn it on I see that a million Google apps auto-updated every night.

Google Talkback, Google Newstand, Google News and Weather, Google Movies and TV, Google Games, Google Books, Google Keep, Google Keyboard, Google Music, Google Cloud Print, Google Camera... wtf is all this stuff?
 
Well compared to that try out an azpen with crapton of apps that are basically redundant. There is touch wiz but my use with it(limited) I didn't have any qualms With it
 
Best Smartphone Display
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/samsung-galaxy-note-4-note-edge-display-t2877199

With the Galaxy Note 4 there are many significant improvements over the Galaxy Note 3 that we tested a year ago, but also with the Galaxy S5 that we tested in March, and the Galaxy Tab S that we tested in June. The most impressive improvements are in the pixels per inch and resolution, the Absolute Color Accuracy, Peak Brightness and screen readability in High Ambient Light, and display Power Efficiency. See the main Display Shoot-Out Comparison Table for all of the measurements and details.



Based on our extensive Lab tests and measurements, the Galaxy Note 4 is the Best performing Smartphone display that we have ever tested. It matches or breaks new records in Smartphone display performance for: Highest Absolute Color Accuracy, Highest Screen Resolution, Infinite Contrast Ratio, Highest Peak Brightness, Highest Contrast Rating in Ambient Light, and the smallest Brightness Variation with Viewing Angle. Its Color Management capability provides multiple Color Gamuts – a major advantage that is not currently provided by any of the other leading Smartphones. The Galaxy Note 4 delivers uniformly consistent all around Top Tier display performance: it is the first Smartphone display to ever get all Green (Very Good to Excellent) Ratings in all test and measurement categories (except one Yellow for a Brightness Variation with Average Picture Level) since we started the Display Technology Shoot-Out article Series in 2006, an impressive achievement for a display. The Galaxy Note 4 has again raised the bar for top display performance up by another notch.


Conclusion:
Galaxy Note 4 is the Best performing Smartphone display that we have ever tested.
 
That test is public knowledge now:

http://displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note4_ShootOut_1.htm

That's definitely a good sign, although I'm a bit suspicious of a test with pre-production samples chosen by the manufacturer (and the only compared device is the Note 3). They could be entirely representative, which would reflect confidence... or they could be cherry-picked samples meant to paint the Note 4 in the best possible light.
 
DisplayMate: Galaxy Note 4 has Best Smartphone Display!

Samsung Galaxy Note 4 has the best display as per DisplayMate
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_4_has_the_best_display_as_per_displaymate-news-9652.php

Also one of the most power efficient displays:

Finally, the Galaxy Note 4's screen was found to be 14% more power efficient than its predecessor's and is as much as 40% less power hungry than 1080p panels used by the HTC One and Sony Xperia Z2.
 
So when will I be able to walk into a T-Mobile store and buy one of these Note 4?
 
How many times is DisplayMate going to claim that a display is perfect?
 
How many times is DisplayMate going to claim that a display is perfect?

I guess it is perfect if you only compare to a Note 3 :D

I don't believe these initial articles coming out on the Note 4. I for one am not willing to allow myself to get built up over these bought-for articles and then later get torn down when someone like Brian over at Anand tears it down in front of me.
 
I guess it is perfect if you only compare to a Note 3 :D

I don't believe these initial articles coming out on the Note 4. I for one am not willing to allow myself to get built up over these bought-for articles and then later get torn down when someone like Brian over at Anand tears it down in front of me.

what did he say about S5's amoled screen? you can probably expect that kind of performance
 
I don't believe these initial articles coming out on the Note 4. I for one am not willing to allow myself to get built up over these bought-for articles and then later get torn down when someone like Brian over at Anand tears it down in front of me.

Ohh yeah... let's wait for objective analysis from AT. :rolleyes:

Are they still going on and on about color accuracy on a smartphone? Nobody cares about that.
 
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