Seiki SE50UY04 3840x2160 50" TV ($1300)

houkouonchi: Quadro NVS 4200M (520M?) here with nvidia optimus (so probably monitor handling is done via intel HD 3000?) w. hdmi and DP via dockport. Hmm, probably little hope then. :/
 
hodgempls said:
Looking for help on getting 1080P at 120hz to run properly. I updated my firmware to Houchouonhi's modified version but when I set the resolution to 1920x1080 at 120 hz it does not scale properly - I get a letterbox version. I am running at 120hz though. I am using a r9 290 graphics card. monitor runs great at 4k!
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There should be an 'aspect' button on the remote that if you press a few times should make it go full-screen.
 
Well, after playing around with this monitor for a while, I am hooked on the additional pixels - especially in linux! I will keep my yamakasi ds270 for gaming even though I did get the 1920x1080 to work properly at 120hz - the witcher 2 was very fluid at that resolution with my r9 290. Overall, I am glad I took the plunge for 369.99.
 
Where did you get it for 369.99? I bought it on Amazon for 389.99, maybe they'll match it for me.
 
hodgempls said:
Well, after playing around with this monitor for a while, I am hooked on the additional pixels - especially in linux! I will keep my yamakasi ds270 for gaming even though I did get the 1920x1080 to work properly at 120hz - the witcher 2 was very fluid at that resolution with my r9 290. Overall, I am glad I took the plunge for 369.99.
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My previous monitor was also a yamakasi 120hz capable 1440p display. I don't even use it anymore now...

Honestly the contrast, colors and even response time seemed better on the seiki than the yamakasi (especially contrast). Of course I do have to put the seiki down to 720p (@240hz) to get the same level of responsiveness of the yamakasi but for gaming (mostly quake) the resolution doesn't really matter all that much as much as the responsiveness and other stuff.
 
dmonkey said:
Where did you get it for 369.99? I bought it on Amazon for 389.99, maybe they'll match it for me.
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Newegg with the masterpass coupon - additional 20 off. You don't need to use masterpass to check out - just input the coupon and choose your method of checkout. I used my discover card for the return protection, price protection and extended warranty coverage. Coupon is MATERPASS10
 
Sorry for the terrible question, but does the 39" version actually have an NTSC tuner on it like the specs I see floating around or is it just an ATSC tuner? Has anyone tried to hook up an old NES/SNES/Genesis to it or is everyone doing emulators?

I wouldn't mind getting a larger TV for the downstairs rec room at my new house, and it sounds like this one might offer some nice flexibility between old and new hardware.
 
hodgempls said:
Newegg with the masterpass coupon - additional 20 off. You don't need to use masterpass to check out - just input the coupon and choose your method of checkout. I used my discover card for the return protection, price protection and extended warranty coverage. Coupon is MATERPASS10
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Thanks, turns out they closed the coupon. Never heard of Masterpass before, though, so that's good.
 
houkouonchi said:
My previous monitor was also a yamakasi 120hz capable 1440p display. I don't even use it anymore now...

Honestly the contrast, colors and even response time seemed better on the seiki than the yamakasi (especially contrast). Of course I do have to put the seiki down to 720p (@240hz) to get the same level of responsiveness of the yamakasi but for gaming (mostly quake) the resolution doesn't really matter all that much as much as the responsiveness and other stuff.
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Doesn't seem like the Seiki 4K makes much sense for you if you are running at 720p..?
 
JoeOnePack said:
Doesn't seem like the Seiki 4K makes much sense for you if you are running at 720p..?
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Only for quake, I run 1080p@120hz for all other first person shooters (counter-strike, urban terror, etc...) and i run 4k for all desktop usage. I play games maybe 2% of the amount of time my monitor is in use if that. It runs at 720p about 0.5% of the time the monitor is turned on so I would say yeah it does make sense for me.
 
Well.
That was a quick day of "try and return" on the 50" for me.

Picture was great and all was fine with my flight sim gaming at 30hz - but the "strobing" type effect of that refresh rate really bothered my eyes.

I'm all in on 4k, but only when I can get a low priced 4k@60hz panel.
 
phillyboy said:
Sorry for the terrible question, but does the 39" version actually have an NTSC tuner on it like the specs I see floating around or is it just an ATSC tuner? Has anyone tried to hook up an old NES/SNES/Genesis to it or is everyone doing emulators?

I wouldn't mind getting a larger TV for the downstairs rec room at my new house, and it sounds like this one might offer some nice flexibility between old and new hardware.
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It has composite IN so you could definitely use that (listed as AV) as even the NES had composite out. That being said it looks like it really has an NTSC tuner judging by the snow I got when I put it in that mode but use your own judgement:

http://youtu.be/N9FTNrF1A98
 
houkouonchi said:
Only for quake, I run 1080p@120hz for all other first person shooters (counter-strike, urban terror, etc...) and i run 4k for all desktop usage. I play games maybe 2% of the amount of time my monitor is in use if that. It runs at 720p about 0.5% of the time the monitor is turned on so I would say yeah it does make sense for me.
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Fair enough. :D
 
Never even realized this was a VA panel. Must be kinda cool at 120Hz 1080p but 50" is wayyyyyy too big for my needs.

Theres a 23.5" 120Hz VA and a 50" 120Hz VA... Um. Slight gap. 1440p VA 120Hz GO
 
Bluesun311 said:
Never even realized this was a VA panel. Must be kinda cool at 120Hz 1080p but 50" is wayyyyyy too big for my needs.

Theres a 23.5" 120Hz VA and a 50" 120Hz VA... Um. Slight gap. 1440p VA 120Hz GO
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There is also the 39 inch seiki that is on sale for $389 on amazon as well also can do 120hz 1080p.

And 39 inch is not that huge of a display.
 
houkouonchi said:
It has composite IN so you could definitely use that (listed as AV) as even the NES had composite out. That being said it looks like it really has an NTSC tuner judging by the snow I got when I put it in that mode but use your own judgement:

http://youtu.be/N9FTNrF1A98
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I miss the snow, it's a lot cooler than "no digital signal" and a black screen :(.

Thanks for the info. Your video is listed as private though so I could not watch it.
 
houkouonchi said:
There is also the 39 inch seiki that is on sale for $389 on amazon as well also can do 120hz 1080p.

And 39 inch is not that huge of a display.
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Yeah, I was coming from a 27" and was slightly concerned that it would be far too big. Happy to report that its not!
 
I have heard that the mouse lag is really bad on the 39" when running at 30hz. What do you think?
 
Pultzar said:
I have heard that the mouse lag is really bad on the 39" when running at 30hz. What do you think?
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In windows 7 it is unless you have aero disabled. WIndows 8.1 works much better, especailly if you have the 50" firmware running on the 39" model. The extra pixels far outweigh the slower mouse for me. I will say this though, running the 120hz at 1080P is pretty awesome on FPS games.....
 
Does anybody have one of these in the Seattle area that I can see? Would love to check it out...
 
oni222 said:
I cannot get this to work on Windows 8.

it says:

"The third-party inf does not contain digital signature information"
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I don't know if there is a way to force it on windows 8... There is also my custom firmware which has the 120 hz 1080p mode inside it so then no driver override is necessary.
 
houkouonchi said:
I don't know if there is a way to force it on windows 8... There is also my custom firmware which has the 120 hz 1080p mode inside it so then no driver override is necessary.
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I found a way to force it. You need to hit select and click on restart. Then select troubleshooting option. After that you will see boot with different options. One says allow drivers without a signature.


Once I installed the inf file you have it did nothing other than rename my monitor. The 1080 resolution does not have a 120hz mode.

I guess I have to force it with CRU like in Win 7. Hopefully that works, too bad that every driver update I will need to redo the CRU settings :(
 
oni222 said:
I cannot get this to work on Windows 8.

it says:

"The third-party inf does not contain digital signature information"
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You have to force the unsigned driver. Protection against unsigned drivers is on by default.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/hardware/how-can-i-force-windows-8-to-install-non-digitally/da779859-9d57-4f38-ab2e-22ab8b31c0b8
 
phillyboy said:
Sorry for the terrible question, but does the 39" version actually have an NTSC tuner on it like the specs I see floating around or is it just an ATSC tuner? Has anyone tried to hook up an old NES/SNES/Genesis to it or is everyone doing emulators?

I wouldn't mind getting a larger TV for the downstairs rec room at my new house, and it sounds like this one might offer some nice flexibility between old and new hardware.
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In case you still wanted to know, and for anyone else considering using retro consoles on the Seiki 39", the input lag is terrible on composite, and using composite takes up the component input (the green component connector acts as a composite input when you switch the input source to "AV"). I tried my SNES on the seiki and the input lag was even worse than my laptop running 4k 30hz. It wasn't unplayable, but it was pretty bad about 1/4 or 1/3 of a second of lag, I estimate. There is much less lag using 480p on the component input(I tried my original xbox for that).
 
sparker599 said:
In case you still wanted to know, and for anyone else considering using retro consoles on the Seiki 39", the input lag is terrible on composite, and using composite takes up the component input (the green component connector acts as a composite input when you switch the input source to "AV"). I tried my SNES on the seiki and the input lag was even worse than my laptop running 4k 30hz. It wasn't unplayable, but it was pretty bad about 1/4 or 1/3 of a second of lag, I estimate. There is much less lag using 480p on the component input(I tried my original xbox for that).
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Good to know. I am surprised it would be that bad since it should be getting 60Hz input from the TV. I assume you turned off all the de-noise and other stuff for the input right?
 
sparker599 said:
In case you still wanted to know, and for anyone else considering using retro consoles on the Seiki 39", the input lag is terrible on composite, and using composite takes up the component input (the green component connector acts as a composite input when you switch the input source to "AV"). I tried my SNES on the seiki and the input lag was even worse than my laptop running 4k 30hz. It wasn't unplayable, but it was pretty bad about 1/4 or 1/3 of a second of lag, I estimate. There is much less lag using 480p on the component input(I tried my original xbox for that).
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What about via the coaxial TV tuner connection?
 
houkouonchi said:
Good to know. I am surprised it would be that bad since it should be getting 60Hz input from the TV. I assume you turned off all the de-noise and other stuff for the input right?
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phillyboy said:
What about via the coaxial TV tuner connection?
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I just took some video of my Seiki and a CRT TV side by side and analyzed it to find the input lag exactly. Composite had 9 frames of lag compared to my CRT TV, so that's about 150ms. Changing sharpness from 50 to 0 did not affect this, nor did turning off noise reduction. The TV tuner input also lagged by 9 frames. Component 480i had only 3 frames of lag, and component 480p had about the same, maybe a bit less, it's hard to tell because I don't have a CRT set up right now that can do 480p.
All of this was done on 60hz. My xbox can output 50hz, but like with 480p, I don't have a CRT set up to display that right now. I do have a component to VGA converter that I could use to display the 480p output on a CRT monitor, but the converter might introduce some lag itself, I don't know yet.
 
So on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being "uber hard" how difficult is it to get the Seiki SE50UY04 to do 1080P at 120Hz for some FPS gaming goodness? Currently running a AMD R9 280X if that helps any.
 
I found AMD to be hit or miss. The only way I could get it to be 120hz was if I left my games in borderless windowed mode.

I would say 7.
 
Using the modified firmware posted/linked to awhile ago I've had 0 issues getting 1080p@120hz, just start game, set res to 1080p and bam mode set and TV says 1080p 120hz.

In fact if I open NVIDIA Control Panel, under 'Change resolution', picking '1080p, 1920 x 1080' the only refresh rates I can select are 120 or 119. I don't even see obvious way to get 60hz.
 
bexamous said:
Using the modified firmware posted/linked to awhile ago I've had 0 issues getting 1080p@120hz, just start game, set res to 1080p and bam mode set and TV says 1080p 120hz.

In fact if I open NVIDIA Control Panel, under 'Change resolution', picking '1080p, 1920 x 1080' the only refresh rates I can select are 120 or 119. I don't even see obvious way to get 60hz.
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Which modded firmware?
Different than the standard 50" fw?
 
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