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HTC One Watch Thread
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no custom rom. Just kernel.
There goes that guy bashing HTC for its update history. As of last year, HTC is the manufacturer with the best record at updates. Oh, and he is also the same guy who posted a rumor thread about how the HTC One X will not see KLP, despite his source also pointing out SGS3 will not see it either... Biased much?
And the battery debate has been debated to death. It's just a S-fanboi thing to keep pointing out a feature that only samsung has. If you don't trust the manufacturer to sell you a battery that will last sufficiently over 2 years, then don't buy from that manufacturer. If it is cost of replacement of battery you are worried about, then get an iPhone. It's resale value is way better than any Android device. Heck, an iPhone 4 is valued better than the GS3 and the iPhone 4 is one year older. There are fix it shops all over for iPhones that will replace batteries in 20 minutes. I don't even know why he is saying that he is waiting for the Motorola xfon when it isn't coming with a replaceable battery.
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You know, simply stating something doesn't make it true. My One X doesn't even have 4.2 yet.
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This fanboy shit is really getting old. He pretty much praised the One and said it was better than the S4 in every other area. Then cited valid features that are important to him and since the One didn't have them, he's instantly a "fanboi." You pretty much throw that overused term at anyone who has an inkling of preference for a Samsung phone, regardless of whether or not it's for a valid reason or not.And no, an iPhone 4 is definitely not valued higher than a GS3. If you go on Swappa or anywhere else in general, you'll see that iPhone 4's (depending on the carrier) go for around $170-$275 and GS3's go for $300-$450. I got my mom an iPhone 4 for $180 last year on CL after 10 mins of looking. If anything, the GS3 is valued about the same as a 4S.
Even if he is a "fanboy" (god damn I can't stand to even think that word anymore because I see you use it so much it's disgusting), why don't you ignore it and drive on or at least try to be a little more tactful in your responses to it rather than attack and call him childish names. I can assure you that if you keep at this, you're only ruining what little credibility you have left on this subforum. I'm not sure if I can speak for everyone else when I say that when I see you calling people out like this and defending another company so passionately, it only makes me think you're being a hypocrite by showing obvious bias toward the company your defending (HTC in this case), just as he supposedly is doing with Samsung.
I've seen display One models look almost as bad as the dummy phones. I don't know who the hell bashes the phones on the display mounts. The body feels about the same, but I couldn't hold each in separate hands to be sure.
Statistics: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/12/the-checkered-slow-history-of-android-handset-updates/
Decemeber 21, 2012. Less than 5 months ago.
I do mean iPhone 4S (sorry). It is 8 months older, not a year, if you want to be more precise.
S-fanbois stick together. And you're one of them. You are also one of them who claims no microSD and no removable battery is a deal breaker. Effectively, you're excluding every manufacturer not named Samsung. So how could you not be biased?
I'm a Microsoft Windows fanboy because I refuse to use MacOS or GNU/Linux on a desktop or laptop. I will only use GNU/linux on an low-power device. I also refuse to use i-anything, so I also am an Apple hater.
So you can praise a device all you want, but if there is a manufacturer-specific deal-breaker, all it's praises can be completely ignored. It's like talking about how great a Samsung phone is and then saying that since it doesn't have iOS, it's a deal breaker. (The reminds me of the review over at Ars Technica did on the HTC One, essentially saying not having TW is a deal breaker... hilarious stuff.) Since Samsung is the only one making devices for you, you're a S-fanboi. You have no other choice.
I prefer the HTC One the same way I am with video cards. I've been in the AMD's camp for years when they were making the best GPU's, and, before that, NVidia over ATI. I'm currently in the NVidia camp. I choose to use the best GPU. Don't care. Not having AMD or NVidia specific software/features doesn't effect me any. The HTC One is the best phone right now, and I have a deathgrip issue on it! I also am the only one to point that out here. And I talk about how I do hate the button layout. But it's still the best phone over all. When I reviewed the Samsung GS4, I like the hardware, hate the software. So that's the deal-breaker for me. Tell me that I'm more biased for hating on TW than it is for you or Medion to hate on not having a microSD or removable battery. There are multiple alternatives to this, but no... You choose Samsung...
I hate iPhone also because of a lack of choice. I do not like the walled-garden approach. With you guys, you're walling yourselves in.
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Sorry. It really doesn't matter if they get updates out for phones running 2.2 to 2.3. Or 2.3 phones to 4.0
My One X does not have 4.2 and it's a flagship phone. It also received 4.1 three months after the GS3 did. Rhetoric doesn't change the fact Htc hasn't updated my One X.
When the One gets its 4.2 update (it's ridiculous that a flagship phone in 2013 shipped with 4.1) it'll just add to the "quicker updates" baloney. Oh look, the One got an update before the GS4 did... to match what the GS4 started out with.
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And no, an iPhone 4 is definitely not valued higher than a GS3. If you go on Swappa or anywhere else in general, you'll see that iPhone 4's (depending on the carrier) go for around $170-$275 and GS3's go for $300-$450. I got my mom an iPhone 4 for $180 last year on CL after 10 mins of looking. If anything, the GS3 is valued about the same as a 4S.
Even if he is a "fanboy" (god damn I can't stand to even think that word anymore because I see you use it so much it's disgusting), why don't you ignore it and drive on or at least try to be a little more tactful in your responses to it rather than attack and call him childish names. I can assure you that if you keep at this, you're only ruining what little credibility you have left on this subforum. I'm not sure if I can speak for everyone else when I say that when I see you calling people out like this and defending another company so passionately, it only makes me think you're being a hypocrite by showing obvious bias toward the company your defending (HTC in this case), just as he supposedly is doing with Samsung.
This.
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New update for the Sprint One. I wished they had this update when I had it, that button issue was driving me nuts after awhile.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...dreaded-capacitive-button-sensitivity-issues/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...dreaded-capacitive-button-sensitivity-issues/
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Would've been cool if HTC also announced a One-nexus Google Edition like the Samsung S4 version. But I think CM10.1 is already in the works for the One series, just flash that ROM, and you have a One-Nexus
I would've liked to see a pure GE One. The S4 already has working CM 10.1 but that still didn't stop Samsung/Google from the S4 GE though.
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Holy shit dude, now you're being straight up incoherant. I never said that was a deal breaker and have stated many times that 32 GBs would be sufficient to me in a phone without an SD card. I had a (Verizon/32GB) Gnex for a year with no storage issues. I have just simply argued that cloud storage is no substute for local storage when you insisted otherwise.
I also never said that a removable battery is a deal breaker for me. Again, I just simply argued why one would think it's better to have one.
If the One was available on Verizon, I would seriously have a hard time deciding between the S4 and the One. I think the deciding factor would be dev/ROM support since the first thing I would do to either phone would be to put an AOSP/vanilla ROM on it. Whichever phone looked to have the most or best ROMs available, I would probably go with that. Otherwise, in terms of hardware, the big trade-offs for me are deciding between the awesome speakers on the One or the considerably better camera on the S4 (disregarding low-light since that hasn't been an issue on my Note 2 in low-light mode).
But my wife is going to be getting a phone in a few months when she's due for upgrade from her Rezound and if the One makes it to Verizon by then, I think I will get that for her despite HTC's almost non-existant support for the Rezound since she got it; ICS actually slowed her phone down, while killing some functionality and making it more painful for her to use. But with the One being a flagship phone on every carrier and not a carrier exclusive like the Rezound is, I'm sure support for it will be much better.
Next time you mindlessly call me or someone else a fanboy, I'm just going to report your posts for trolling. You need to learn the difference between people having feature preferences and fanboy. Just because there's only one device/OEM that deliveres those features and someone buys that device, doesn't make them a fanboy, because if other OEM started offering that feature in their devices, they would buy or at least consider it. A fanboy would stick to that OEM regardless. That's not me. Regardless of what I'm buying, I look at the features and reviews of it and if it looks good to me, I don't give a shit what name is on it as long as it works as advertised and delivers what I want.
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I am curious which phone will run the official CM10.1 ROM the best, the One or S4 ? I mean smooth performance, but which one will also offer best long battery life with CM10.1 ?
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I wouldn't think there would be a noticeable difference between them. But I'm sure a slight edge would go to the S4 due to its DDR3 RAM and larger battery. I doubt 200 MHz between the two makes a real-word difference either, but that doesn't matter when you're rooted and can OC the phone anyways (if you unlock the bootloader and install a custom kernel). I think you would be retarded to OC either phone though, in fact I would probably underclock the S4 slightly to 1.7 GHz like the One to save a tiny bit on battery and still have the same performance.
It would be interesting to see them both tested side by side with CM 10.1. But honestly the difference would have to be negligible. Hell, I can barely tell a real world difference between the S4 and Note 2 in real world performance and the S600 SoC destroys the Exynos 4412 in benches.
Makes me think if anyone compared the One X and (US) S3 with a CM ROM installed though since they both had the same SoC (S4), but the S3 had an extra GB of RAM over the One X.
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Since I don't remember everything everyone says, I would like to apologize to you for grouping you with one of them. Sorry! I honestly thought you are one of those "deal-breaker" people. Once again, sorry.
It's one thing to say let's go shopping for something with these functions and features and actually luckily wind up with a brand of product that you can purchase. It's another thing to blatantly go look for a set of features that only one manufacturer has.
There is where I differ on definition of fanboy. If you exclude everyone else because of a manufacturer specific non-standard feature despite several standard/free/open alternatives to those features and the explanation makes no sense, then you are a fanboy.
The issue I have here is that Medion tries SO hard to make himself look unbiased. HTC sucks at updates when HTC record for now has been pretty good; even if you don't think HTC are number one as Ars Technica suggests, HTC is at least a close second. Telling us he is waiting for Motorola XFon while also saying no removable battery is a deal-breaker. If that's not contradictory, I don't know what is. If it doesn't make sense, then he is a fanboy.
If you buy a car and one of your requirements is that it's got a rotary engine, then you're a Mazda fanboy. Mazda has ended production of the rotary engine in June of last year for those history will repeat folks.
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I probably left it open long enough.. but going to close this thread if we can't cut the personal attacks or trollish behavior.
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Thanks for apologizing. I was just about to add you to my ignore list for that.
SD cards and removable batteris aren't really exclusive to Samsung phones though. All of the latest Motorola (though that will probably change with their upcoming devices) and LG phones (AT&T Optimus G and G Pro at least) and Sony Xperia Z phones have SD card slots. The only newer phones I can think of that have removable batteries though are the Optimus G Pro, Spectrum 2 and BB Z10.
I know that's slim pickings, but your rotary engine analogy still doesn't compare to it even if there's one alternative.
But I still don't agree with that logic. Because if Samsung had decided to seal the battery into the GS4, then it seems as if he would go with the One since he even said it is the overall better phone in his opinion and there aren't really any other options unless he wants a phablet (Note 2 or G Pro) or a Blackberry.
To me a Fanboy is someone like that Itilia Ferrari guy who just kept spouting generic specs/facts about the GS4 in comparison to the One in the middle of conversations and didn't seem to put any personal input or opinion about either phone in his posts. Medion's posts seem pretty objective to me, despite him posting that thread about the One X not getting updated and not caring much for HTC's design choices, he still doesn't explicity bash them and I also see him criticize Samsung phones on their issues too (such as the SAMOLED burn-in issues he's observed on his GS2).
I'd say at most, he may be a bit biased toward Samsung since they seem to cater to his wants moreso than anyone else, but I don't see him only recommending Samsung phones to everyone without considering the alternatives, so I think it's a bit much to call him a fanboy. So I would appreciate it if you stop calling people that unless they're so blatant about it like Italia Ferrari was, otherwise I will still want to report your posts for unwarranted name calling/trolling. It's just too aggressive and wore out at this point. So I'm asking nicely; please stop.
One again, I cannot apologize enough for grouping you in. It was just that this forum is seemingly filled with that majority... still not an excuse for grouping you with that crowd. Sorry, again.
Italia Ferrari is a "shill," not a fanboy. Like I said, my definition of fanboism is just you preferring a single brand of product for certain manufacture specific feature that no one else has.
I guess there are rather few non-Samsung phone with both microSD and removable batteries, but majority of those are either niche products and/or non-flagship devices. Funny I used the term majority to describe 3 devices... Rotary engine works as an analogy because plenty of brands had rotary engine back in the day. Only Mazda stuck with it until now. One example is Audi. To note, in Ironman 3, Tony Stark is driving a Audi R8 E-Tron with a rotary engine; however, the car is not in mass production.
P.S. Reading up on rotary engines. They are not dead after all. Mazda is going to make them the electric generator to their extend range ("volt-esque") electric cars, which actually sounds pretty darn awesome, if they succeed.
I'm disappointed that I had to be attacked to that degree. Some things were said about me that are blatantly false, so I wanted to clear up some misconceptions regarding a few of those things. I am thankful for the mods for cleaning up the thread a bit, but some of that remains so I felt as if I should have my say. This is not an attack on the individual who said those things. Everyone who reads and posts here is free to have an opinion on him, me, or anyone else here.
On my desire for removable batteries:
I am an extreme user of smartphones. I know of no one else who abuses them the way that I do. As a result, batteries that are made by Samsung, HTC, Apple, and anyone else you can think of will NOT last me more than 12-18 months. However, I expect 24-30 months out of my phone. As a result, I want an easy and relatively cheap way of replacing my batteries. The iPhone is not an option because I don't want iOS. I want Android. My HTC Incredible allowed me to remove the back, and replace the OEM battery with 2xChi-Techs for $19. My SGS2 allowed me to remove the back and replace the OEM with 2xAnkers for $20. Now that is efficient because it is both easy and inexpensive. I've considered the Nexus 4 as well, because despite the sealed design, you're a small screwdriver away (I own the correct one) from replacing the battery. It is BEYOND easy. Not quite as cheap though, at $35 a pop. Still, that's a small fee for another 12-months of reasonable battery life. But the HTC One? It is near impossible to replace the battery without damaging the phone due to the manner in which it is sealed. It's not practical. So, there's why I prefer to replace my battery.
On MicroSD Storage:
My preference is unlimited internal storage, but that is a fantasy. I'm happy with either 32GB internal, or 16GB + MicroSD. If a phone is 16GB only, it's a no-go for me. I am currently using about 24GB of just my own crap in an SGS2 with 16GB internal + 32GB MicroSD. I could trim that a little, but not into the 9-11GB typically offered in a 16GB device.
On HTC vs. Samsung updates:
I stated that Samsung supports their flagships longer than HTC and that is undisputed fact.
In 2010, it was the Desire and Galaxy S, both launched on 2.1. The Desire got a full 2.2 update, and then an optional stripped 2.3 update. The Galaxy S got a full 2.3 update, and then a hybrid 2.3/4.0 update.
In 2011, it was the Sensation vs. SGS2. Both released on Android 2.3. The sensation got 4.0.4. The Galaxy S II got that, as well as 4.1.2, and it is currently slated for 4.2.2.
In 2012, it was the HTC One X and SGS3. Both released on Android 4.0. Both have JB Android 4.1. Both are slated for 4.2. However, the rumor that I posted was that the the One X will NOT get KLP. There was no mention of the SGS3 in this rumor. There is another thread on this forum where Samsung all but confirmed KLP for the SGS3.
Bottom line is that every single year, both HTC and Samsung release a new flagship. Samsung supports three concurrent generations (the S2, S3, and S4 are all currently supported). HTC supports two.
On me being a Samsung fanboy:
I don't care for the brand. My last phone was an HTC. My current is a Samsung. In both cases, they were the phones that I had selected as the best for my needs at the time of purchase. I have no idea at this time which my next phone will be. I've ruled out the Xperia Z and HTC One, despite both catching my eye, but each had killer flaws for my usage. The Nexus 4 is long in the tooth. I am liking what I see in the Galaxy S4, but hate the overdone software. The Google version of it is appealing to me. But between now and June 26th, I hope to hear more on the X-Phone. Whatever I buy will once again be the best for my needs at the time of purchase. I expect my next phone to last me 24-30 months again.
On me "vouching" for Italia Ferrari:
Never happened. This was a blatant lie. I PMed the guy, no response, and came to the same conclusion as everyone else. He's either a shill or a troll. I challenged the person who accused me of doing this to prove it, and he could not. Again, it never happened.
On resale value:
It's hard to compare Galaxy S vs. iPhone resale value due to their releases being off by 6 months. My S2 launched in April 2011. It was bookended by the iPhone 4 (10/10) and 4s (10/11). Current price ranged on ebay as of this post are:
SGS2 GT-i9100 - bids in the $150-$250 range, BIN in the $300-$375 range
iPhone 4 - bids in the $100-$200 range, BIN in the $180-$250 range
iPhone 4s - bids in the $250-$350 range, BIN in the $400-$500 range
Seems scaled well to me. Overall, that's not bad for an unlocked Android device.
Topic at hand:
This started by my review of the HTC One. I stand by my comments. Best Android phone today, but two flaws; lack of HTC's updates and lack of accessible battery make it a no-go for my individual needs. It is up to each user to determine their needs, but for the mainstream user, the HTC One is the best Android phone today.
On my desire for removable batteries:
I am an extreme user of smartphones. I know of no one else who abuses them the way that I do. As a result, batteries that are made by Samsung, HTC, Apple, and anyone else you can think of will NOT last me more than 12-18 months. However, I expect 24-30 months out of my phone. As a result, I want an easy and relatively cheap way of replacing my batteries. The iPhone is not an option because I don't want iOS. I want Android. My HTC Incredible allowed me to remove the back, and replace the OEM battery with 2xChi-Techs for $19. My SGS2 allowed me to remove the back and replace the OEM with 2xAnkers for $20. Now that is efficient because it is both easy and inexpensive. I've considered the Nexus 4 as well, because despite the sealed design, you're a small screwdriver away (I own the correct one) from replacing the battery. It is BEYOND easy. Not quite as cheap though, at $35 a pop. Still, that's a small fee for another 12-months of reasonable battery life. But the HTC One? It is near impossible to replace the battery without damaging the phone due to the manner in which it is sealed. It's not practical. So, there's why I prefer to replace my battery.
On MicroSD Storage:
My preference is unlimited internal storage, but that is a fantasy. I'm happy with either 32GB internal, or 16GB + MicroSD. If a phone is 16GB only, it's a no-go for me. I am currently using about 24GB of just my own crap in an SGS2 with 16GB internal + 32GB MicroSD. I could trim that a little, but not into the 9-11GB typically offered in a 16GB device.
On HTC vs. Samsung updates:
I stated that Samsung supports their flagships longer than HTC and that is undisputed fact.
In 2010, it was the Desire and Galaxy S, both launched on 2.1. The Desire got a full 2.2 update, and then an optional stripped 2.3 update. The Galaxy S got a full 2.3 update, and then a hybrid 2.3/4.0 update.
In 2011, it was the Sensation vs. SGS2. Both released on Android 2.3. The sensation got 4.0.4. The Galaxy S II got that, as well as 4.1.2, and it is currently slated for 4.2.2.
In 2012, it was the HTC One X and SGS3. Both released on Android 4.0. Both have JB Android 4.1. Both are slated for 4.2. However, the rumor that I posted was that the the One X will NOT get KLP. There was no mention of the SGS3 in this rumor. There is another thread on this forum where Samsung all but confirmed KLP for the SGS3.
Bottom line is that every single year, both HTC and Samsung release a new flagship. Samsung supports three concurrent generations (the S2, S3, and S4 are all currently supported). HTC supports two.
On me being a Samsung fanboy:
I don't care for the brand. My last phone was an HTC. My current is a Samsung. In both cases, they were the phones that I had selected as the best for my needs at the time of purchase. I have no idea at this time which my next phone will be. I've ruled out the Xperia Z and HTC One, despite both catching my eye, but each had killer flaws for my usage. The Nexus 4 is long in the tooth. I am liking what I see in the Galaxy S4, but hate the overdone software. The Google version of it is appealing to me. But between now and June 26th, I hope to hear more on the X-Phone. Whatever I buy will once again be the best for my needs at the time of purchase. I expect my next phone to last me 24-30 months again.
On me "vouching" for Italia Ferrari:
Never happened. This was a blatant lie. I PMed the guy, no response, and came to the same conclusion as everyone else. He's either a shill or a troll. I challenged the person who accused me of doing this to prove it, and he could not. Again, it never happened.
On resale value:
It's hard to compare Galaxy S vs. iPhone resale value due to their releases being off by 6 months. My S2 launched in April 2011. It was bookended by the iPhone 4 (10/10) and 4s (10/11). Current price ranged on ebay as of this post are:
SGS2 GT-i9100 - bids in the $150-$250 range, BIN in the $300-$375 range
iPhone 4 - bids in the $100-$200 range, BIN in the $180-$250 range
iPhone 4s - bids in the $250-$350 range, BIN in the $400-$500 range
Seems scaled well to me. Overall, that's not bad for an unlocked Android device.
Topic at hand:
This started by my review of the HTC One. I stand by my comments. Best Android phone today, but two flaws; lack of HTC's updates and lack of accessible battery make it a no-go for my individual needs. It is up to each user to determine their needs, but for the mainstream user, the HTC One is the best Android phone today.
Medion's Rumor thread:
The source Medion posted about HTC One X not getting an update:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/04/22/htc-one-x-android-5-0-update-in-doubt/
Toward the end of the article:
(note: the rest of the paragraph mentions that LLab is more of a HTC expert, so his samsung rumors might not be as accurate)
So let's ignore that and single out HTC... sounds legit.
HTC has a bad record on updates?
While it is true that Samsung supports about three generation of updates and HTC supports about 2 in their flagships, those updates HTC did make came quicker than Samsung did. HTC also did shoot themselves in the foot by going with too much carrier specific hardware back in the day. They also sold too many first generation hardware as flagships such as the HTC Thunderbolt which does suck. Where as the Samsung equivalent of the Thunderbolt, Droid Charge, is not a flagship at all... heck, Samsung can't even give it away. Samsung had one update on that device to 2.3.6 Gingerbread.
Seriously, the big picture data shows HTC has the best record in updates over everyone else. I didn't come up with this. Ars Technica did. One reason why I do believe the HTC One will get more updates is because finally HTC has a single flagship across most carriers. HTC never had a single flagship ever before.
And, wait, HTC Desire and Sensation are flagships? Wouldn't the Evo be the flagship of the Desire generation and the Thunderbolt be the flagship in the Sensation generation? Not that it helps HTC's case any...
Used iPhone 4 values better than GS3
Yes, I already corrected myself on an used iPhone 4S, not the iPhone 4, being valued higher than GS3 despite being 7-8 months older. Just a mistype. #BlameApple
fanboism
Remember a couple years ago when a certain branch of the government had to choose a cloud office solution. They praised Google Docs, and choose Office 365. Then Google sued the government for bias due to part of the requirements is that it must have 100% compatibility with Microsoft Office and work (ui) like Microsoft Office. We know what happened to that... The government sued Google right back and Google settled this. This is what I think about his review. He can praise HTC for effort, but what he wants is only made by Samsung...
The source Medion posted about HTC One X not getting an update:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/04/22/htc-one-x-android-5-0-update-in-doubt/
Toward the end of the article:
(note: the rest of the paragraph mentions that LLab is more of a HTC expert, so his samsung rumors might not be as accurate)
So let's ignore that and single out HTC... sounds legit.
HTC has a bad record on updates?
While it is true that Samsung supports about three generation of updates and HTC supports about 2 in their flagships, those updates HTC did make came quicker than Samsung did. HTC also did shoot themselves in the foot by going with too much carrier specific hardware back in the day. They also sold too many first generation hardware as flagships such as the HTC Thunderbolt which does suck. Where as the Samsung equivalent of the Thunderbolt, Droid Charge, is not a flagship at all... heck, Samsung can't even give it away. Samsung had one update on that device to 2.3.6 Gingerbread.
Seriously, the big picture data shows HTC has the best record in updates over everyone else. I didn't come up with this. Ars Technica did. One reason why I do believe the HTC One will get more updates is because finally HTC has a single flagship across most carriers. HTC never had a single flagship ever before.
And, wait, HTC Desire and Sensation are flagships? Wouldn't the Evo be the flagship of the Desire generation and the Thunderbolt be the flagship in the Sensation generation? Not that it helps HTC's case any...
Used iPhone 4 values better than GS3
Yes, I already corrected myself on an used iPhone 4S, not the iPhone 4, being valued higher than GS3 despite being 7-8 months older. Just a mistype. #BlameApple
fanboism
Remember a couple years ago when a certain branch of the government had to choose a cloud office solution. They praised Google Docs, and choose Office 365. Then Google sued the government for bias due to part of the requirements is that it must have 100% compatibility with Microsoft Office and work (ui) like Microsoft Office. We know what happened to that... The government sued Google right back and Google settled this. This is what I think about his review. He can praise HTC for effort, but what he wants is only made by Samsung...
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Change3d -
Your quote about @LLabTooFeR is out of context. Quote the whole paragraph. Also, Samsung has since leaked their update roadmap, which counters any rumor. The SGS2 stops at 4.2.2, while the SGS3 will get the "next version of Android," whatever that may be. Has HTC done this yet?
As for updates - I specifically mentioned flagships. I never disputed your link because it wasn't wrong. HTC did have faster updates back then. And a lot of those comparisons are carrier-branded handsets from 2010 and 2011. However, we're discussing the Galaxy S4 and HTC One. Are these not THE flagship models? So if we're speculating on future updates, should we not consider the OEMs' annual flagship models only? And in that regard, Samsung has supported their device just as fast, and for longer, EVERY...SINGLE...GENERATION. As such, it is safe to speculate that the S4 will outlive the HTC One in updates...just as the S1 and S2 did, and just as the S3 seems to be about to do. I have always said that for carrier-specific models, Samsung has a bad update history. I still haven't gotten the Behold/Behold II out of my mind. Motorola and HTC are the kings in this area. But we're not comparing carrier-branded low/mid-range device in this thread, so why are their updates relevant?
Yes, the Desire and Sensation were HTC's global flagship models. The Evo was a re-branded Desire customized by Sprint. Verizon had a version called the Incredible, and T-Mobile had the MyTouch. As for the Sensation, the HTC Rezound was based on that. But those were carrier-branded exclusives, not the global flagship.
Your quote about @LLabTooFeR is out of context. Quote the whole paragraph. Also, Samsung has since leaked their update roadmap, which counters any rumor. The SGS2 stops at 4.2.2, while the SGS3 will get the "next version of Android," whatever that may be. Has HTC done this yet?
As for updates - I specifically mentioned flagships. I never disputed your link because it wasn't wrong. HTC did have faster updates back then. And a lot of those comparisons are carrier-branded handsets from 2010 and 2011. However, we're discussing the Galaxy S4 and HTC One. Are these not THE flagship models? So if we're speculating on future updates, should we not consider the OEMs' annual flagship models only? And in that regard, Samsung has supported their device just as fast, and for longer, EVERY...SINGLE...GENERATION. As such, it is safe to speculate that the S4 will outlive the HTC One in updates...just as the S1 and S2 did, and just as the S3 seems to be about to do. I have always said that for carrier-specific models, Samsung has a bad update history. I still haven't gotten the Behold/Behold II out of my mind. Motorola and HTC are the kings in this area. But we're not comparing carrier-branded low/mid-range device in this thread, so why are their updates relevant?
Yes, the Desire and Sensation were HTC's global flagship models. The Evo was a re-branded Desire customized by Sprint. Verizon had a version called the Incredible, and T-Mobile had the MyTouch. As for the Sensation, the HTC Rezound was based on that. But those were carrier-branded exclusives, not the global flagship.
I'm still rocking the Galaxy S II (global GT-i9100). It is, IMO, the best smartphone ever made relevant to its competition. There was no phone that compared to it at time of release, even the iPhone paled in comparison. Every phone released around the time of this phone, even the Nexus S, has seen official support cut off, except the iPhone.
As for the ROM, I'm on bone stock, not even rooted. I don't have to for this device. Samsung's Nature UX 1.0 runs beautifully on it, though a bit laggy at times. Home screens are fluid, but many apps are showing the age of this phone. It's time to upgrade, but I can't find one that is as "perfect" as this one was for its time. Even the SGS4 "Nexus" has major flaws. Not a fan of PenTile screens (SGS2 was RGB). Also would have preferred to see 32GB internal as a minimum these days, but that was a pipedream.
There are certain Touchwiz features that I will miss when I get my next phone, but I won't miss them enough to consider the official SGS4. That thing is absurdly bogged down by the new Touchwiz. I hold that phone in the same regard as I currently hold the Droid DNA.
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I got the HTC One. I've owned Inspire, Evo, Evo 4G LTE. I loved them all.
I've also owned a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, S3 and Note II. They were good. Especially the Note, but too big as a daily driver.
I've owned the original Droid, Droid 3, Atrix HD and they were great.
I've owned the LG Nexus 4 for a week. Good phone...
Right now, my demand for Android smartphones is that they must have at least 2GB of RAM to have the best performance with running multiple apps at once.
In case you were wondering, yes, I break yearly contracts on a daily basis.
I've also owned a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, S3 and Note II. They were good. Especially the Note, but too big as a daily driver.
I've owned the original Droid, Droid 3, Atrix HD and they were great.
I've owned the LG Nexus 4 for a week. Good phone...
Right now, my demand for Android smartphones is that they must have at least 2GB of RAM to have the best performance with running multiple apps at once.
In case you were wondering, yes, I break yearly contracts on a daily basis.
Out of curiousity, which carrier do you prefer for your area? If you get good T-Mobile service in your area, perhaps using them might help your addiction. Not cure it, but more cheaply supply more phones
The HTC One Unlocked (32GB) and Developer (64GB) editions are drool worthy. Sure, they'll work on AT&T as well, but that's a higher service cost.Mr. Stryker
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Out of curiousity, which carrier do you prefer for your area? If you get good T-Mobile service in your area, perhaps using them might help your addiction. Not cure it, but more cheaply supply more phones
Verizon is the best, but not friendly for people like me, I use more than 2GB per month. Their 4GB plan is not appealing either. Sprint is great since it's true unlimited. T-Mobile is the ONLY carrier I haven't tried yet.
How is it out of context? The rest of the paragraph is not a suggestion of LL, but rather the author of article informing readers that LL known for HTC rumors and not for Samsung's. And if you want another rumor, here it is: http://www.sidhtech.com/news/htc-android-42-jelly-bean-update-roadmap/1001494/
Once again HTC never had a single flagship across carriers like Samsung has. Judging them by their past record where they are best at updates with their numerous carrier specific devices makes me believe HTC would be on top of their game with a single flagship.
The reason I point out the Evo and the Thunderbolt is that they are both released 3-4 months earlier than their European counterpart. There aren't really any general design from HTC.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTC_phones
All flagships are very carrier specific. There are no equivalents to the Evo or Thunderbolt in that quarter.
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Looking at the unlocked "Developer" edition One;
http://shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=41599
Or looking at this "Unlocked" version too for $575;
http://shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=41589
Which models are these, as far as development goes on XDA ? Would that be considered the standard "HTC One", not an ATT or T-Mobile version ? I know the developer edition and unlocked version, works for both ATT and T-Mobile U.S. carriers, but when rooting and installing custom ROM's, which "One" XDA sub forum to use ? The standard HTC One forum, which some call the (M7)
Thank you
http://shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=41599
Or looking at this "Unlocked" version too for $575;
http://shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=41589
Which models are these, as far as development goes on XDA ? Would that be considered the standard "HTC One", not an ATT or T-Mobile version ? I know the developer edition and unlocked version, works for both ATT and T-Mobile U.S. carriers, but when rooting and installing custom ROM's, which "One" XDA sub forum to use ? The standard HTC One forum, which some call the (M7)
Thank you
As I have previously stated, the rumors about Samsung are irrelevant as Samsung has since leaked their update roadmap.
The first Galaxy S had numerous carrier-branded versions, like the Desire. The Galaxy S saw more updates. The Galaxy S II saw three different SOCs (Snapdragon S3, OMAP, and Exynos 4). Despite this, and the NUMEROUS carrier-branded versions, the S2 saw more updates and continues to see support to this day. All three SOC variations are on 4.1.2 now and are slated for 4.2.2. What more do you want? Under no situation does HTC's flagships see more updates than Samsung's flagships. None.
The Evo 4G was a Desire variant. The Desire was released first. The HTC Thunderbolt (and AT&T Inspire 4G) were Desire HD variants. The Desire HD was release 4-6 months before these phones.
Chang3d, I'm going to level with you. You're coming across as looking for excuses to justify your stance. Your argument is that the HTC One will see more update support than the S4. ALL previous generations of HTC and Samsung flagships have seen more support on the Samsung side. ALL. EVERY...SINGLE...ONE. While neither you nor I can predict with absolute certainty which phone will see the most support, it's easy to guess based on previous trends. The easy guess is Samsung. But to come out and tell me that I'm wrong? Based on what? All of the evidence supports my theory.
So, after all of the things that you said about me, it's come down to this last point that you're on. You haven't apologized or admitted being wrong on any of them. You're still not willing to change, and I accept that. I would suggest that I put you back on ignore, and you do what want to do. I'll leave you alone and ask the same in return. There is no use in arguing. But, if I ever see you slander me like you did in this thread, you're getting reported again. We'll let the moderators sort it.
Use the HTC One (M7) forum, as that covers most of the non-carrier branded versions. Also, keep in mind that while these editions work on both AT&T and T-Mobile, these do not support AWS HSPA+, meaning that you will sometimes be on Edge on T-Mobile whereas the carrier-branded version will be on 3G/HSPA+ in the same area.
HTC does far more customization with their phones, typically. Note, more customization does not always mean more bloat, as this time, Samsung clearly has the more bloated device. Samsung seems to "port" their interface to Android, where as HTC spends more effort crafting their interface and baking it into Android. The result is that Sense 5 performs noticeably better than the GS4's Touchwiz. As for 4.1 vs. 4.2, the latter offers VERY little over the former for non-Nexus devices. It's not a deal breaker, IMO. I know your feelings towards OEM skins, but these interfaces add a lot to the OS, as Android in itself is very basic. Customization freaks will prefer stock, but both Sense and Touchwiz offer a more complete experience out of the box. This matters to mainstream (casual) users.
I haven't purchased anything yet. I'm not close to deciding. I've ruled out the Touchwiz S4 and the HTC One. I've also ruled out the Xperia Z and Nexus 4. As perfect as my S2 was for its time, I'm hoping for something close to that.
The SGS4 "Nexus" version has me intrigued. It's the first time we get stock Android from Google on a truly flagship device since the Nexus One. My only concerns are storage (given lack of native apps to SD) and the screen. Storage isn't a major issue since it should offer at least as much available as my Touchwiz SGS2, which also has 16GB internal. Not a fan of PenTile displays, and also not a fan of OLED in a device with static UI elements. My S2 does have noticeable burn-in. Cost won't be an issue since I traditionally pay full price for my phones (Nokia E71, Galaxy S2).
The X-Phone is worth watching, and I hope to hear more on that before the above S4's 6/26 launch. It's hard to pin down which rumors are legit and which are BS, so I'm just waiting for something semi-official.
As for the Nexus 5, Google rarely does anything twice in a row with their Nexus designs. But, if they do duplicate what they did with the N4, it won't be the best of the bunch. It will be a reference device with some cheap components to keep costs down, likely missing some feature(s) that most crave. I suspect compared to the S4, it will be at least one step forward, but also one step backward.
Given that there is no perfect device, I'll have to "settle" eventually. However, my S2 has Android 4.1 and is getting 4.2. If I have to wait it out even longer, I will. I wanted to upgrade in the 2-3 year range. I hit my 2-year mark a few weeks back. So I'm shopping, but not in a hurry. Don't expect me to jump on anything just yet, as so far, the only phone that's blown me away is the HTC One, but it has a killer flaw for my needs.
"Leaks" from August of last year is more legit than some random prediction of Samsung not getting an update in April of this year... Sounds legit. Both rumors... Let's pick and choose.
I cannot predict the future. Neither can you. And, yes, HTC's flagships hardly see a third official update in their past. But the updates HTC did release came quicker from the date of release. Not going to get an argument from me about it. I also did not say HTC One will get more updates than Samsung Galaxy S4. I said it likely get more updates than before compared to HTC own record due to the fact it is finally a single flagship and HTC's overall record is #1. I do believe that to be a good assumption.
Where did the Desire HD now? Seriously? Weren't you talking about the Sensation before? How convenient to just change like that! Typical. Just typical. Just like 4G, OMAP, and you keep adding CDMA LTE carriers back into the equation.
At least when I am biased I point that out. And I declare my bias very clearly. Heck, pointed out multiple flaws with my phone.
You, however, man, good job, dude... I don't know any person better than you at sales. "great effort htc, but only samsung flagships have the features you need" should be the title. Notice how the thread has now became a S4 thread.
P.S. I'll not respond to you directly again unless you provoke me. I don't even post on threads you started except for that time when you did.
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The leak: http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-unveils-jelly-bean-update-roadmap-20120924/ august
Majority of all leaks and rumors about KLP prior to May/Google IO is wrong. Looks like the rumors from LL has more potential to be correct at this point!
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How does you adding CDMA LTE carriers to the list of total GSM LTE carriers around the world in our 3 LTE devices has potential to cover a great majority of just GSM LTE carriers around the world statistical debate have to do with you changing device you were referring to from Sensation to Desire HD? Seriously, you just can't stop yourself ever. If that's not trolling, I don't know what is. Have your infamous last words (yes, I went there). Also please stop sending me messages.
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Leak was from March 2013.
Thunderbolt (phone you mentioned) is CDMA. Desire HD (phone I mentioned) is GSM. You confused yourself again. You're jumbling phones.
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Negative. March 19th. All you posted was the 4.1 update schedule, which is irrelevant.
http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/March2013/sa...eaks-which-devices-will-get-key-lime-pie.html
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Have you tried the S4's screen in person? In theory the much higher PPI (the sub pixel density is in the 300+ range versus 200+ for the S3, which is comparable to ~720p class LCD phones and iphone) should alleviate (if not eliminate) the issues with a PenTile arrangement in practical use and it also uses a different arrangement then the S3. This is why I think going to 1080p at this size was much more important to the end user experience for S4 then competing phones.
I cannot tell any pixel differences between the S4 and the One. I would say the S4 screen is better for movies although the HTC has more accurate colors. But the One has a better movie experience due to the front stereo speakers. Once again, pentile made no difference. I would like to say the One is better at reading black text on white background, but I do believe it's my bias. In reality, I really cannot tell. Even with pentile, at that pixel density, you got to be like superman to see a difference.
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I have used it. There are fewer subpixels in a PenTile arrangement than in an RGB layout. As a result, clarity suffers. An RGB variant would be sharper. Due to these shared pixels, the output doesn't come out as real 1080p. A 720p RGB display may actually be sharper.
But yes, I am nitpicking. This is, IMO, the worst feature of the Google Nexus 4 (though for most, the worst feature is the price). It is getting strong consideration from my wallet. We'll see what else is on the horizon. But IMO, the HTC One has the superior screen. Was a huge fan of the One X's screen as well.
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I can see why Samsung wants to use Pentile, but I can't understand why they want to use it on their flagship. At this PPI however I can't see a downside to it. It will be their #1 sold phone and they are able to cut costs on the display.
I've always prefered HTC displays, then Moto's then Samsung. I would say that right now, even though Moto hasn't really come out with a competent phone in a while now that I can't really say that either HTC or Samsung one up each other.
I've always prefered HTC displays, then Moto's then Samsung. I would say that right now, even though Moto hasn't really come out with a competent phone in a while now that I can't really say that either HTC or Samsung one up each other.
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It has to due to limitations regarding OLEDs (the uneven aging of the different colors) and is a way to work around it. There are advantages to the PenTile layout.
I think in the long run the future with mobile displays will be OLEDs or QD-LED type displays because they can add more flexibility to the design of devices due to their physical characteristics and not necessarily due to their display characteristics vs. LCDs.
On another note I realize this is slightly derailing the HTC One thread
But what I'm saying is at this PPI level the sub PPI of the blue/reds are into the "retina" (for lack of a better term) range of 300+ which is what the previous 720p class displays were. As such, like other users (in this thread for example) and reviewers have mentioned, it should be at a point where the pixels are indiscernible to most people in practical scenarios (not 20/15 vision nose to the screen for example). The S3's subpixels were still in the 200 range which were still discernible causing the fuzziness.
Note I'm not actually debating on the HTC One's display versus the S4s as that has a lot of other variables (and personal preferences) to account for.
I think in the long run the future with mobile displays will be OLEDs or QD-LED type displays because they can add more flexibility to the design of devices due to their physical characteristics and not necessarily due to their display characteristics vs. LCDs.
On another note I realize this is slightly derailing the HTC One thread
But what I'm saying is at this PPI level the sub PPI of the blue/reds are into the "retina" (for lack of a better term) range of 300+ which is what the previous 720p class displays were. As such, like other users (in this thread for example) and reviewers have mentioned, it should be at a point where the pixels are indiscernible to most people in practical scenarios (not 20/15 vision nose to the screen for example
). The S3's subpixels were still in the 200 range which were still discernible causing the fuzziness.Note I'm not actually debating on the HTC One's display versus the S4s as that has a lot of other variables (and personal preferences) to account for.