Adult 6970 discussion Thread

WorldExclusive said:
ATI has to win with the 6900s. A slower card means their refresh yielded less performance than Nvidia.
Releasing a product last is usually a guaranteed win. If the GTX 570 keeps up with a 6970 it would be a disaster.
For the future of the industry, I would like to see the 6970 beat the GTX 580. It's still quiet from AMD though.
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Well, the 6970 was intended to beat the 480, so I doubt it will be wrestling with the 570, since that would make little sense.
 
WorldExclusive, you and others keep forgetting that the 6970 is not the top card in ATI's line up. They do not have to say how high, when someone like you tells them to jump. They will do things how they want and I doubt they will have trouble selling cards.
 
heflys20 said:
Well, the 6970 was intended to beat the 480, so I doubt it will be wrestling with the 570, since that would make little sense.
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The 570 replaces the 480 in performance so they have to deal with that.
Secondly I said "keep up" with the 6970. I wouldn't pay more than $350 for a 6970 if it can't beat the 570 by more than 15%.
The 570 price point could be killing AMDs profit right now.

necrophile said:
WorldExclusive, you and others keep forgetting that the 6970 is not the top card in ATI's line up. They do not have to say how high, when someone like you tells them to jump. They will do things how they want and I doubt they will have trouble selling cards.
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Top card? What makes you think the 6990 will beat the possible dual Nvida card if the 6970 loses to the GTX 580? AMD probably will lose that battle too.
Selling cards isn't the issue, market share is. Nvidia will slowly start to gain some of it back if AMD doesn't deliver.
Any company can undercut the competition in price, it doesn't mean you're buying the better product from that company.

I'm hoping that AMD wins, I want them to win but I'm also prepared to stay with Nvidia if they dont.
 
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I'm in the same situation as the OP. As much as I would like to try out Nvidia this time around, I just need a one card solution that could power my 3 NEC's and a TV. I'm also looking forward to a card with more than a gig of ram. I'm gonna sell my 6870 and hopefully I wont have to shell out more than $200 on top of that for the 6970.
 
I don't think you can just "undercut" the competition. Both comanies have to make a profit so we shall see who gets the lowest. Also, ATI don't and haven't had to beat nvidia's cards for the top spot for a wee while now so why should they change. It is not going to get them anything of worth. It has always been and will always be the cheaper cards that will decide things and ATI are doing fine there from what I can tell.

People who buy expensive toys are not important. It is the toys that sell the most that matters. Even markey share can be overrated. As long as they are making a profit I am sure they will be happy.

Your private circumstances and who you think "wins" are of little consequence.
 
WorldExclusive said:
Yeah, you're right about GPU-Z. Why the switch? Power consumption? That's the first time I've heard about 2560 shaders. I wouldn't hold my breath on that info.
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Power consumption would be my best guess. And yeah, I agree the shader info seems a little far-fetched.
 
necrophile said:
I don't think you can just "undercut" the competition. Both comanies have to make a profit so we shall see who gets the lowest. Also, ATI don't and haven't had to beat nvidia's cards for the top spot for a wee while now so why should they change. It is not going to get them anything of worth. It has always been and will always be the cheaper cards that will decide things and ATI are doing fine there from what I can tell.

People who buy expensive toys are not important. It is the toys that sell the most that matters. Even markey share can be overrated. As long as they are making a profit I am sure they will be happy.

Your private circumstances and who you think "wins" are of little consequence.
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Price will always be the the equalizer. People like winners though. I'm sure canned and real world benchmarks wouldn't carry as much weight if they didn't.
Comparisons between cards drive the industry. We already have more than enough power to run most of the games we have, but we still want "faster" cards.
I tend buy the best card on the market so my buying habits are different from many. AMD maybe doesn't mind being second place but this is their chance to be first.
I'm still waiting to upgrade and I'm more than willing to switch back to AMD for overall performance not because of price.
 
WorldExclusive said:
1600 Shaders? Some rumors say 1920. I wonder if these are the retail version or the "gimped" versions if there's any.
I wish the core clock was lower. OC was already tough on the 6870s.
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We've all seen comprable rumors of 5870 preformance pulling much more frames than a GTX 285 Sli setup pre luanch and that turned out to by a joke.

Not that ti was a bad card, just didnt live up to the insane hype, int he same way I thnk the 6970 wont.
 
Robin B said:
First this.


Than


Fuad knows how to get it right in the end, its faster... no its slower, oh its justa as fast. :D

http://www.fudzilla.com/games/item/21128-radeon-hd-6970-is-10-20-faster-than-gtx-480
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I laugh every time I see Fuad articles. I mean, when he wrote the article he knew the numbers were fake. He does it to get traffic and make money. THEN after a bunch of ppl reads the article and the link is spread over a bunch of forums, he changes it to say "oops our sources were wrong" then his link gets re-spread with the new update and he gets even more clicks, again, for the same article.

So you see, he does it for traffic and $$.
 
rUmX said:
I laugh every time I see Fuad articles. I mean, when he wrote the article he knew the numbers were fake. He does it to get traffic and make money. THEN after a bunch of ppl reads the article and the link is spread over a bunch of forums, he changes it to say "oops our sources were wrong" then his link gets re-spread with the new update and he gets even more clicks, again, for the same article.

So you see, he does it for traffic and $$.
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That's why my google searches now end with "-site:fudzilla.com". For some reason, google will populate the same article from them more than once. It's annoying, and he has no more credibility of any other click whore.
 
x3sphere said:
Power consumption would be my best guess. And yeah, I agree the shader info seems a little far-fetched.
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I guess someone saw 1920 and associated the number with the monitor res, and assumed the next setup up would be 2560?

Or 2560/4 is 640 4D shaders, or 40 SIMDs, if the number of overall shader groups remains the same per SIMD (or MIMD, if they decided to ditch that).
 
Briliu said:
Thanks! I'm 2 sets of cards behind right now (still rocking the 4870 lol) so I'm planning on getting one of these two cards, just didn't want to lose that functionality.
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We have close to the same system :)

Only a few days more, and then we start the count down on Northern Islands :cool:
 
We need some concrete info. Kyle said he didn't receive anything up until last week from AMD.
I wonder if they're going to overnight the cards to them. They did that to one reviewer when the 6870s were released. He got the cards six hours before launch.
I guess AMD doesn't want Nvidia to know anything either. Nvidia could release a driver update to increase performance if they knew the numbers.
5% here or there could be a big deal, difference between 10% faster/slower or a draw.
 
"Class of its own"... would be the GTX 470...

Kyle said he didn't receive anything up until last week from AMD.
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Even if he had the cards, would he confirm it?
Is it against the NDA to even confirm the existance (or possession) of the cards? Probably. Otherwise other sites would do it; not these lame Chinese and/or anonymous leaks.
 
WorldExclusive said:
We need some concrete info. Kyle said he didn't receive anything up until last week from AMD.
I wonder if they're going to overnight the cards to them. They did that to one reviewer when the 6870s were released. He got the cards six hours before launch.
I guess AMD doesn't want Nvidia to know anything either. Nvidia could release a driver update to increase performance if they knew the numbers.
5% here or there could be a big deal, difference between 10% faster/slower or a draw.
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Holy cow....
GPU makers are just absolutely cutthroat.. overnighting your test samples to reduce the time advantage to your competitor to just mere hours...
 
Cat1yst said:
Holy cow....
GPU makers are just absolutely cutthroat.. overnighting your test samples to reduce the time advantage to your competitor to just mere hours...
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Some get reviwer samples directly from AMD and others get theirs from AIBs.
[H] seem to get the original samples so they could have them already or not. [H] is always on time with their reviews so no worries.

Also sorry about the inaccurate info, he had about 12hrs to get the review done. He received them from ASUS.
Recieved at 4pm the day before launch and went live at 5am.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBAHNAbSzYE&feature=channel @ 12:30 in the video.

Which means everything is mostly FUD until the day before launch unless a "reputable" site breaks NDA. Then that site becomes unreptuable, lol.
 
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CRYSIS...

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According to TPU, the 580GTX gets 38.5 FPS...

But then again the 6970 is with a Phenom...

Edit: My bad not Anandtech...
 
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JYH said:
CRYSIS...

According to Anandtech, the 580GTX gets 38.5 FPS...

But then again the 6970 is with a Phenom...
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Not bad at all.. I have a feeling the 6970 will pull ahead at higher resolutions thanks to the 2GB VRAM.
 
JYH said:
CRYSIS...

According to Anandtech, the 580GTX gets 38.5 FPS...

But then again the 6970 is with a Phenom...
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nVidia cards always faster on this benchmark but a lot slower in actual game play.

also, this game is heavily favor on Intel, AMD CPU will runs couple fps slower...

then yon can predict the performance from there :p
 
Hope Kyle put the 5870 2Gb in the mix next week, i still think that the 6950 will be in the same ballpark.
 
Robin B said:
Hope Kyle put the 5870 2Gb in the mix next week, i still think that the 6950 will be in the same ballpark.
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Impossible.
Seen a few rumors say both the 6950 and 6970 will have 2 GB. If that's true, they wouldn't release a 6950 that matched the 5870...
 
UtopiA said:
Impossible.
Seen a few rumors say both the 6950 and 6970 will have 2 GB. If that's true, they wouldn't release a 6950 that matched the 5870...
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The 6870 already nearly matches the 5870. So the 6950/70 should both be significantly faster.
 
Robin B said:
They did release the 6850 and 6870.... why?
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Probably because they're cheaper to manufacture.

From the leaks today i am far from impressed with the 6970 as it will have to fight the Gtx 570
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Looking at the 5870, I don't think it makes sense for the 6970 to compete with the GTX 570, unless ATI is about to roll out some aggressive pricing.
 
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Robin B said:
They did release the 6850 and 6870.... why? To make Cayman look better? From the leaks today i am far from impressed with the 6970 as it will have to fight the Gtx 570. And therefore i think the 6950 will be around the 5870 2Gb.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/11/09/nvidia_geforce_gtx_580_video_card_review/3
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Why? HD5870 Eyefinity6 is no faster than HD5870 1GB at even triple screen eyefinity settings.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3621/amds-radeon-hd-5870-eyefinity-6-edition-reviewed
 
I'm thinking AMD intentionally crippled the new cards through drivers. That heaven bench makes absolutely no sense.
 
jeremyshaw said:
Why? HD5870 Eyefinity6 is no faster than HD5870 1GB at even triple screen eyefinity settings.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3621/amds-radeon-hd-5870-eyefinity-6-edition-reviewed
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Thats with old drivers, Kyle used one of the latest.

In comparison to the Radeon HD 5870, we were surprised as to how well the aging 5870 holds up against the GeForce GTX 480. In all games however, the GeForce GTX 580 surpassed the Radeon HD 5870. We experienced the GeForce GTX 580 to be about 30% better performing than the Radeon HD 5870 on average.
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