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He's a scammer. I ordered 2 E6400 Dell laptop few months ago. It didn't arrive for few weeks, and he kept on promising that he shipped it with a fake usps insured mail number. He asked to send payment in gift paypal to start with, knowing there is no way to dispute the payment. This dragged on for about 30 days, and he stopped responding at all. I've tried to find this guy, but appreantly the phone number was changed and they moved. Luckly, some of the payment was made with creditcard and I was able to dispute the $150 off the $600 he ripped me off of. I'm out of $450, without the 2 laptops.

I just seen his post on sales section with wd hard drives.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1565433

If anybody knows contact information for this person, please let me know.
 
Just in case he attempts to comes up with a fake sob story, I have kept all the email correspondence and the paypal receipt of payments The purchase was for the company I work at, and I almost got fired from my work because of this.
 
Even though you paid gift give paypal a CALL. Several members have gotten gift payments reversed with proper documentation. Time is definitely NOT on your side here. Call NOW.

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I have sent a PM to tylerdustin2008 to make him aware of this thread.

As always, if your not involved or don't have information that is helpful, please refrain from posting.
 
He posted e6400 Laptop deals here 2 different times. Feb-2010 and May-2010. He also had someone say they bought 2 on 04-11-2010.
http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=48921&eval=586503&show=to

Another sale on 06-04-10?
http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=48921&eval=588969&show=to

Based on his rep and a friend emailing me a link to his info, I decided to buy e6400s.
His emails were short and quick, till paypal was sent. He even bumped his post after I had paid him.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1506673

If ANYONE remembers his e6400 Dell deal and bought any from him, please come forward. Even if you got Great Service and received your Dell e6400 in May... I was the victim.

He claims that they were lost in the mail and he had insurance, yet he never has given me a working tracking number or claim number. This was 9 days after payment was received through PayPal.

<Redacted personal Info>

Original Message ------
>> Received: 12:03 AM EDT, 05/28/2010
>> From: T <tylerdustin2008@>
>> To: Z <zfrost@>
>> Subject: Re: Dell E6400 Laptops.
>>
>>
>>> Well I hope they get there today. Well they better. If they don't I
>>> get to bitch to USPS. And get the $650 back in insurance then pay you
>>> back.
>>>
>>> I mean they should have been there by now. I have shipped plenty of
>>> items, this is the longest it has ever taken.
>>>
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Then I get another email sticking to the Insurance Story:

------ Original Message ------
Received: 04:01 PM EDT, 06/01/2010
From: T <tylerdustin2008@>
To: Z <zfrost>
Subject: Re: Dell E6400 Laptops.


Usps called me back, and said they were looking for it. And if I
didn't hear back from them in a week. To give them a call back, and if
they still didn't have anything to go ahead and file the insurance
paperwork.

On 6/1/10, <zfrost> wrote:
> Any Luck finding tracking info or getting insurance claim?
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And yes, after that... I waited 2 weeks, like a fool:

On 6/14/10, Z<zfrost@> wrote:
> Please call NOW (***) ###-9030
>
> If you do not reply to this I will have no choice but to assume that you no
> longer want to help fix this shipping error, or worse.
>
> I have many options of recovering my losses because of all the emails we
> have and the fact that you stated you used the USPS. I also have other forms
> of contacts for you and your other transactions placed with other Forum
> users. All options will be used if you do not call and confirm that we are
> still getting this resolved peacefully.
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I was still trying to work this out even then, not happily, but trying. PayPal would not get involved because it was not sent properly. I paid a service to cross reference his multiple emails and got a number. I called it but it was a dead number. I have sent 5 or 6 emails to him and the email of the person he had me send the money to. Based on internet data, it was his mother's PayPal.

But this was the last message he sent:


------ Original Message ------
Received: 05:01 PM EDT, 06/14/2010
From: T <tylerdustin2008@>
To: Z <zfrost@>
Subject: Re: Dell E6400 Laptops


Ok, look. I barely have enough signal where I am to call.. So I can't do that.

I am trying, waiting on usps to call me back with more information. I
can not speed up the time they take to do something.

Also other transactions with other people.. Yea your point. I have
successfully sold several laptops. With no problems, so if your saying
I am trying to scam you then that information will not help your case.

I have 100% positive feedback. Over several years. You have only one
way to contact me, and that is via email. I do not give people my cell
number, no matter what.
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No further contact to my repeated emails. Now he "pops" up selling again...

So. Keeping to the Facts: I paid $600, I received those emails and 6 Months later, still out $450 plus the cost and fees to try to resolve this... Not the value I would want anyone to suffer.
 
FYI. I had a few packages lost via USPS about 3-4 months ago. I issued immediate refunds to the buyers, but to this day USPS still has not located my two packages. The person handling the claim hardly ever calls back or even answers his phone. They just suck. The value of the packages is around $30, not including shipping costs..
 
No, no, and no.

I am not a scammer. I trusted the fact that I was selling. That i would not be subject to his neglect of being a bad trader. But I was wrong.

I sold him one before. I pm'ed him, it took him a month, and MONTH to respond back to saying that he got it just fine and that he wanted more. And after he said he wanted more, it took him all of 2-3 weeks to complete the deal.

I mean yea it was a waste of my time, but I still had them. And he finally had the money. It was a good 2-4 weeks before he said he did not get the last two I shipped. And his emails, so many different alias. I just got confused and got tired of dealing with him.

I have perfect heatware, never had a problem with any sale, or buy. But as soon as I deal with someone that has negative heat... It all gos down hill.

I am not going to be taken down because a bad trader wants to get his name back.


This dude should not even be on the forums. He was banned, and yet hes back.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1418537
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1233457
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1141148
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=853125
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=977554
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=884269
 
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So if its not a SCAM, then where are my laptops? Do i need to post the payments I made? You know you got the $600 and if they got "lost" then why cant you post a tracking# and insurance claim number?

Are you saying the posted emails are not from you?
 
tylerdustin2008 said:
No, no, and no.

I am not a scammer. I trusted the fact that I was selling. That i would not be subject to his neglect of being a bad trader. But I was wrong.

I sold him one before. I pm'ed him, it took him a month, and MONTH to respond back to saying that he got it just fine and that he wanted more. And after he said he wanted more, it took him all of 2-3 weeks to complete the deal.

I mean yea it was a waste of my time, but I still had them. And he finally had the money. It was a good 2-4 weeks before he said he did not get the last two I shipped. And his emails, so many different alias. I just got confused and got tired of dealing with him.

I have perfect heatware, never had a problem with any sale, or buy. But as soon as I deal with someone that has negative heat... It all gos down hill.

I am not going to be taken down because a bad trader wants to get his name back.


This dude should not even be on the forums. He was banned, and yet hes back.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1418537
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1233457
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1141148
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=853125
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=977554
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=884269
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So your side of the story is that this guy scammed people in the past and that gives you the right to scam him? He paid you for goods and you both admit he did not receive them. How exactly does his being a bad trader in the past absolve you from following through on your end?
 
Linking issues you have with other people will not get you off the hook for you not dealing with this in a correct manor.

How will you fix YOUR rep? I am not Jason or any other person you linked. You know my Cell#, my name is Zack, my PayPal is mine!

Are you still stating that you dont have to pay me back because you got tired of remembering who you deal with?
 
Zfrost said:
Linking issues you have with other people will not get you off the hook for you not dealing with this in a correct manor.

How will you fix YOUR rep? I am not Jason or any other person you linked. You know my Cell#, my name is Zack, my PayPal is mine!

Are you still stating that you dont have to pay me back because you got tired of remembering who you deal with?
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You mean this Zack from one of the links in his list?

Trader: katin - added 12-03-2003
Real name: zachariah s****
Email: t*******[email protected]
Profile
Mitigating Thread #1Mitigating Thread #2
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I know Katin and have bought things from him in real life, if he was buying from here and mailing me stuff he should have told me. He doesnt have a car and I call him "pony express" I think the Mods banned him for slow mailing, never scam.

My point isnt about Tylers "intentions" when he sold me the laptops. Its what will he does now that others know he did not complete his deal. I only call it a scam because of the lack of documentation on his part, not getting tracking nor ever sending info on his claim with insurance.

So, if he agrees it wasnt a scam but trouble with shipping, then lets end this with resolving his "insurance money". I am sure by now he has had time to get that resolved.

So. Will you send me my $450 back? I am not even going to try to get anything for the trouble I had to go through to get replacement laptops or fees in trying to find you.
 
Alright let's wait till I get home.

Denying who you are and aren't. I am not going to raped on this one. You have several alias. You sent me the money from two different paypals. Shit I don't know if your name is Jason Lee or Zack Steil.

Kid your starting to piss me off. You know you got them, you have already got part of your money back from where I was supposedly scammed you.
 
I got the $150 reversed, I stated that fact already. You sent me emails saying you were dealing with USPS about the loss. I sent you many emails after your reply on 6-14. You chose to take this public. You insured the laptops for $650, that covers my $450 and even leaves you $50 extra for your troubles.

I will gladly post about how you made it right and the Mod can close this thread.
 
You should be able to solve this quickly. Was there a tracking number and was it clearly delivered to the buyers home? You should be able to post the tracking to the buyers home.
 
So, I'm confused.

The only replies I want at this point are to the following questions, from the people directly involved:

Seller, have you shipped the items? If so, what is the tracking information?

Buyer, explain to me how you are not Katin. Also, how is it that you purchased these items before you even had an account here?
 
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Ok heres how it went down.

He contacted me to buy a laptop. It took him two weeks to respond and buy the laptop. Which kinda aggravated me. But I was like ok, shit happens so it took him a little while.

I mailed that laptop out, about a week or so later I PM'ed him asking if he had gotten the laptop. I wanted to make sure that he got it, it was working correctly. What a normal seller should do. He responded a month later saying that he would like to buy two of the laptops I had for sale currently. I was a bit iffy at this point because it took him awhile to respond and get anything done. So I didn't get my hopes up, I kept the laptops for sale. About 4 days later he sent some payments. From two different paypal accounts, one was a Jason Lee, and the other was Zack Steil. That was weird, but assumed it was a friends account.

I got the required funds. So I mailed the laptops out. I checked the tracking a week later to make sure that they were delivered. I sent him a message asking about them. I got no response. A month after I sold them to him he says that he never got them. Now I didn't expect him to say he never got them. So NO I did not, and do not have the tracking information. It had been 3 weeks, receipts get lost. And at this point it has been several months. Now the only reason he has decided to try and saying something is because I posted something for sale early this morning and he saw my thread. And a chance to start something. I haven't heard from him in two months.

I know for sure I mailed out the laptop to the EXACT address as the laptop before. USPS said it was delivered, just as the precious laptop had. It cried at paypal, he got refunded $150.

I knew not to trade with him, but I did it anyway. Mods do what you all have to ban me if you wish. But I sold the laptops, I received my money. I shipped, they showed up to have been received by him.

But I will NOT pay him anything else. I am not going to get the short end of the stick on this one. I have been on this and other forums for 5 years now. I have not had a single problem with anyone.

But mods do whats needed. But I do expect that he be re-banned according to forum rules for being a previous bad trader. And if you have to add me to the list do so.

Thank you.
 
What part of "what is the tracking information?" was unclear? How do you know that USPS said it was delivered if you do not have tracking?
 
Vertigo Acid said:
What part of "what is the tracking information?" was unclear? How do you know that USPS said it was delivered if you do not have tracking?
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From his post it sounds like he did not provide the OP with the tracking but did have it on a reciept, and after seeing it was delivered he thought everything was good, and now can't find the reciept.
 
And didn't provide paypal with this info to win the dispute? Tossed it the moment it said delivered? Really?

How about in your browser history?

If you're so poorly organized that you don't keep tracking info around for a deal where you already feel a bit hesitant, then I've got no sympathy for you when it comes back to screw you.
 
Vertigo Acid said:
And didn't provide paypal with this info to win the dispute? Tossed it the moment it said delivered? Really?

How about in your browser history?

If you're so poorly organized that you don't keep tracking info around for a deal where you already feel a bit hesitant, then I've got no sympathy for you when it comes back to screw you.
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I think you need to learn how to look at both side of the stories. The buyer didn't respond after months and expect a refund? Though the seller should have provided the tracking to the buyer regardless.
 
Tyler is just trying to spin this any way he can, to dodge the fact that he DID NOT ship those two laptops. Whatever he claims, in the manner of "minor annoyance of communications" has absolutely nothing to do with the fact he ripped me off.

Where is the tracking number that says "delivered"? I am yet to see this proof.

Also he is providing shady made up details compared to what I have provided in open. He requested a gift paypal payment (that, is against the rule of this forum as I found out) for those 2 laptops. I have no idea why he's keep rambling on about the methods of payment when he's using his mother's paypal account to take payments.

Here are the facts.

You got the required funds.

You didn't give ANY tracking for week and a half. Would you like to check the dates on your emails?

You provided me with FAKE non-existing USPS insured mail number after third week.

You said USPS lost the package and you are "working with them to recover"

You stopped responding to me after a month and disappeared.

IF you sold 2 laptops AND they were delivered as you said...and buyer disputed $150, you would be here ranting like there is no tomorrow. Common sense?

Do you realize how transparent your lies are?

Now that dutnguye came out and said he purchased two of these E6400 from you, I can CLEARLY see what you did.

Tyler advertised he had three of these E6400 total. One of them was sold to my friend. Instead of delivering me the two laptops I paid for, HE SOLD THEM TO ANOTHER PERSON (dutngye) and decided that he could get away with ripping me off.

You can keep fibbing stories and trash my reputition. No matter how you make it out to be, doesn't give you absolution for ripping me off for $600($450, in actual).

Does it?
 
Zfrost, was there some part of "Explain to me how you are not Katin. Also, how is it that you purchased these items before you even had an account here?" that was unclear to you?

All I want at this point are the answers to those questions.
 
For the record, I have had allot more than 3 laptops. Thats just what i had when i listed that thread.

But I do not have any proof. It has been quite a few months. As far as selling to his friend for the first one... I was told it was him.. Thats what I was led on to believe.

And because "Zfrost" did not respond to me, am I suppose to call the police where he is at to track him down so I can see if he got them? No I asked him, and I did not get a response for weeks. Its not my fault, I did what i was suppose to.

Yea maybe I didn't give him the tracking. But I did what I had to on my end for the most part to make sure he got them. USPS said he did, I did not get any response from him.

Both traders are at fault here. His VERY VERY VERY poor lack of communication here is the culprit. And mine for not providing the receipt of shipment.

And even if I did have the tracking right now we would be in the same boat. As it would say delivered. But then he would say no I never got anything.

Mods can we come to a conclusion, there is no receipt on my end. No way to actually prove that he doesn't actually have them. This is all he said she said.

We could keep on with this for days.
 
I propose that you refund him another $150 and forget about it. The loss will be even and everyone can go home.
 
Maximos said:
I propose that you refund him another $150 and forget about it. The loss will be even and everyone can go home.
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Yea I could do that. But on your own in college you do not have the luxury to have extra money.

But if he will accept another $150 I will do that as soon as I have the money.
 
I'm in college as well, I understand.

In your own words, you are both at fault, so this will be the best solution. I hope you can follow through with it and are not merely saying so to quell the results of the situation.

Good luck to both of you.
 
I'd like to go ahead and toss my hat in the ring here. Zfrost purchased 2 portable external hard drives from me which were well inside of warranty; 1 WD My Passport USB 3.0 1TB and 1 Seagate GoFlex USB 3.0 (retail market release date for both is early October of this year), these drives carry a 2 year manufacturer's warranty each. Upon receipt of the drives, **before contacting me**, he initiated a paypal dispute claiming they were both 'not as described' and 'out of warranty', and posted a serial number to a WD drive (outside of warranty) that didn't even match the model number of the one that I sent. The name on the paypal account that he used was Jason Lee.

Currently the dispute is still open, but I used both drives for temporary backup, then formatted (not quick format) before packaging them. When they left my house I know they worked, and I know they are under warranty. I even offered a partial refund of $15 to cover RMA shipping costs, which was rejected. Based on my experience I would side heavily with tylerdustin2008.
 
mhenley said:
I'd like to go ahead and toss my hat in the ring here. Zfrost purchased 2 portable external hard drives from me which were well inside of warranty; 1 WD My Passport USB 3.0 1TB and 1 Seagate GoFlex USB 3.0 (retail market release date for both is early October of this year), these drives carry a 2 year manufacturer's warranty each. Upon receipt of the drives, **before contacting me**, he initiated a paypal dispute claiming they were both 'not as described' and 'out of warranty', and posted a serial number to a WD drive (outside of warranty) that didn't even match the model number of the one that I sent. The name on the paypal account that he used was Jason Lee.

Currently the dispute is still open, but I used both drives for temporary backup, then formatted (not quick format) before packaging them. When they left my house I know they worked, and I know they are under warranty. I even offered a partial refund of $15 to cover RMA shipping costs, which was rejected. Based on my experience I would side heavily with tylerdustin2008.
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Thank you, not to sound snobby. But mhenley is a well known user as well. We don't do things like this. I didn't become a user and create heatware just to scam people.
 
Maximos said:
I'm in college as well, I understand.

In your own words, you are both at fault, so this will be the best solution. I hope you can follow through with it and are not merely saying so to quell the results of the situation.

Good luck to both of you.
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I mean I will do what I can. But the government did not cover all my tuition. So the school wants the rest or out I go according to them... $4k is allot.

I will resolve to the best of my abilities, but I will not fork over $450.
 
Giving $150 is not going to make both sides equal in loses.

If Tyler is telling the truth, he just sold 2 laptops for $300 if he returns another $150.

If ZFrost is telling the truth, he just lost $300.

Whoever is lying is getting the better end of the deal.

Here's my two cents(not sure if this is allowed, delete if not): If I was Tyler(a college student having trouble with funds), and I did send out the items, I would not even give ZFrost a penny. That is what a normal college student would do, I speak from the point of view of a college student...

If Tyler indeed did send out the laptops, I don't see why he would be willing to give ZFrost ANY money back at all. The only reason he would want to resolve this issue by returning some money is if he didn't send out the laptops and just getting free money here. Not trying to hurt your credibility Tyler, but I'm just speaking from a by-stander point of view.

I know I'm a new member to the forum, and probably shouldn't be talking in such an intense thread, and giving out my opinion. BUT what is obvious is that this cannot be solved by Tyler returning $150 because not both party lose in that situation, one is either gaining 2 laptops for the price of one, or $300 for a small forums war (Both really worthy motivations).
 
@ tyler
Here is a suggestion. You can goto USPS office and tell them that you sent a package and it didnt arrive or wasnt delivered or there was a problem regarding its verification etc. The person who was supposed to get it replied late due to some reason and you need the tracking number and details of the package.
Its all computerized and by giving your name, address and zip code and the buyer's too, i think you can get the USPS details in no time, showing everything.
Pretty simple I hope.
 
So you're offering to return 150$.why on earth would you even offer to refund anything if you did your part? and he also got 150 before already.

Kinda fishy there buddy.
 
tylerdustin2008 said:
For the record, I have had allot more than 3 laptops. Thats just what i had when i listed that thread.

But I do not have any proof. It has been quite a few months. As far as selling to his friend for the first one... I was told it was him.. Thats what I was led on to believe.

And because "Zfrost" did not respond to me, am I suppose to call the police where he is at to track him down so I can see if he got them? No I asked him, and I did not get a response for weeks. Its not my fault, I did what i was suppose to.

Yea maybe I didn't give him the tracking. But I did what I had to on my end for the most part to make sure he got them. USPS said he did, I did not get any response from him.

Both traders are at fault here. His VERY VERY VERY poor lack of communication here is the culprit. And mine for not providing the receipt of shipment.

And even if I did have the tracking right now we would be in the same boat. As it would say delivered. But then he would say no I never got anything.

Mods can we come to a conclusion, there is no receipt on my end. No way to actually prove that he doesn't actually have them. This is all he said she said.

We could keep on with this for days.
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Is it true that you talked to USPS in regards to the package being lost and getting insurance money to give to the op? what happened with that?


tylerdustin2008 said:
I mean I will do what I can. But the government did not cover all my tuition. So the school wants the rest or out I go according to them... $4k is allot.

I will resolve to the best of my abilities, but I will not fork over $450.
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You are responsible that the package is delivered to the OP in the condition described by your FS post.If the package is lost on the way then you are responsible, if there are damages from shipping then you are responsible and etc.

gotendbz1 said:
So you're offering to return 150$.why on earth would you even offer to refund anything if you did your part? and he also got 150 before already.

Kinda fishy there buddy.
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There are a lot of questions being avoided it seems.
 
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