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wfalcon said:
Furthermore, who's been talking about how Intel is only shipping 50 of each? Somone who has a brother's uncle's girlfriend who knows the janitor at Microcenter? Someone who can pull FUD out of their gluteous maximus? I can spew crap about any company I want and pretend that I know, but that doesn't make it any more true.
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see; http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1083625
 
jreffy said:
First off, this isn't price gouging. Price gouging is pricing above the market when no alternative retailer is available. In this case there are SEVERAL alternative retailers available.



Again, no one is forcing you to buy from them or hand over your money. As someone who has been mugged, there's a big difference.
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Well, what about when everyone else runs out of stock and NE is the only one left with their inflated prices?

And why are you bitching about us bitching kinda hypocritical isn't it?
 
ryan_975 said:
Well, what about when everyone else runs out of stock and NE is the only one left with their inflated prices?
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Well in that case, you should be grateful that newegg jacked up the price. Raising the price helped ensure that there would be processors available to you, however that extra availability comes at a price. It's the same deal with people complaining about price gouging in Louisiana after the hurricane. Price gouging in that type of scenario actually helps save lives.

ryan_975 said:
And why are you bitching about us bitching kinda hypocritical isn't it?
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Unlike most everyone else, I'm not one bit suprised about the markup on the new CPUs. That's why I'm not that motivated to complain or throw a tantrum about it. However, what I AM suprised about is the fact that so many people are this shocked about it.
 
Wait till 9/7

Newegg

PLEASE!!! buy some of this overpriced sh5$% we need the money

this is pure bs

JUST LIKE INTEL


sparks
 
Poncho said:
Ok... how do you figure that shows disrespect? You aren't friends with newegg, the owner/stockholders? are NOT your buddies, they aren't you local "mom and pop" store... they are a business, a big one at that. Bottom line is that they will get that kind of money for those chips.... so it would be stupid if they lowered the price. I would actually think less of them if they didn't sell them for the most money that they can make. Supply and Demand people.... not that hard to figure out. the goal of ANY business is to make MONEY.... you don't make money by selling things for less than they are worth.
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They are my friends on myspace :rolleyes:

Either way they have disrespeted the community which got them where they are in the first place. Shame on them for this but at least its only 1 instance... so far...
 
jreffy said:
Well in that case, you should be grateful that newegg jacked up the price. Raising the price helped ensure that there would be processors available to you, however that extra availability comes at a price. It's the same deal with people complaining about price gouging in Louisiana after the hurricane. Price gouging in that type of scenario actually helps save lives.



Unlike most everyone else, I'm not one bit suprised about the markup on the new CPUs. That's why I'm not that motivated to complain or throw a tantrum about it. However, what I AM suprised about is the fact that so many people are this shocked about it.
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How the hell does extra money going into oil companies pockets help save lives, you think that money went toward any rebuild /rescue efforts?

Oh and that link you provided for 50 of each model Conroe has no credible evidence in it, just one guy who talked to his distributor.

And it's been said already, No one is surprised by a markup, but one that almost 100% higher than everyone else's markups is a bit shocking.,
 
ryan_975 said:
How the hell does extra money going into oil companies pockets help save lives, you think that money went toward any rebuild /rescue efforts?
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I'm so very glad you asked this question, most people wouldn't understand when I said "price gouging saves lifes". I'll explain;

Let's say for example, there's excessive flooding, like in New Orleans. People trapped in that environment need supplies, food, water, batteries, etc. Now I'll present 2 scenarios, one with and one without price gouging.

1) No gouging; everything is at normal retail prices.
The first 5 people that make it to the store, buy every single item of food and every pack of batteries that they can carry. This makes sure that they have food and supplies for them to survive for an extended period of time. Unfortunately, the next 45 people from that area who get to the store to buy supplies find that everything has already been bought out and don't get the food and water that they need.

2) With gouging; prices are severly raised beyond reasonable amounts.
The first 5 people that make it to the store can only afford to buy a few loaves of bread because each loaf is 60$ a piece. So instead of buying all the bread for 150$, they now can only get 3 loaves for 150$. The next 45 people into the store, now find that there is still food and supplies left over. Now they may be at highly elevated prices, but in a time of necessity such as a natural disaster, paying the exorbant amounts isn't even a question.

With scenario one, you've only ensured that a small amount of people get all the food, wheras in scenario 2 you've made sure that a lot more people, get some supplies to last a couple days. So now when help arrives, they will find 50 semi-starving people, instead of 5 well-fed people and 45 dead ones.
 
I can't believe how bad Newegg has become in their pricing. This is flat out BS. I have my 6300 coming from ZZF for $219 shipped (plus CA tax) and a pre-ordered 6600 from TG's. My 6600 is cheaper than the 6300 at the Egg!!!!
 
jreffy said:
I'm so very glad you asked this question, most people wouldn't understand when I said "price gouging saves lifes". I'll explain;

Let's say for example, there's excessive flooding, like in New Orleans. People trapped in that environment need supplies, food, water, batteries, etc. Now I'll present 2 scenarios, one with and one without price gouging.

1) No gouging; everything is at normal retail prices.
The first 5 people that make it to the store, buy every single item of food and every pack of batteries that they can carry. This makes sure that they have food and supplies for them to survive for an extended period of time. Unfortunately, the next 45 people from that area who get to the store to buy supplies find that everything has already been bought out and don't get the food and water that they need.

2) With gouging; prices are severly raised beyond reasonable amounts.
The first 5 people that make it to the store can only afford to buy a few loafs of bread because each loaf is 60$ a piece. So instead of buying all the bread for 150$, they now can only get 3 loaves for 150$. The next 45 people into the store, now find that there is still food and supplies left over. Now they may be at highly elevated prices, but in a time of necessity such as a natural disaster, paying the exorbant amounts isn't even a question.

With scenario one, you've only ensured that a small amount of people get all the food, wheras in scenario 2 you've made sure that a lot more people, get some supplies to last a couple days. So now when help arrives, they will find 50 semi-starving people, instead of 5 well-fed people and 45 dead ones.
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I guess scenario 2 would work out fine the way you put it. But it requires that people in the affected area are actually selling something. Last I heard most everything was shut down, locked up, and the owners evacuated like a smart person would do. Price gouging (for gas at least) affected far more than the flooded areas.

But even if there were people selling food and supplies at jacked up prices, you still have to account for the sheer madness that such a situation would bring. Extremely high prices for food and supplies would mean more people are willing ti kill and steal to get it. So your sceanrio 2 breaks down pretty quick.
 
ryan_975 said:
I guess scenario 2 would work out fine the way you put it. But it requires that people in the affected area are actually selling something. Last I heard most everything was shut down, locked up, and the owners evacuated like a smart person would do. Price gouging (for gas at least) affected far more than the flooded areas.
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If you are talking about the price hike across the US for gas during that time, there was no price gouging. Sure, there was a hike in gas costs. In order to understand why that was, you have to understand how gas is priced to begin with.

The cost of gas that you pay right now is not the cost of the gas that is in the tanks at the gas station. The gas in those tanks is way cheaper than why you are paying at the pump. The price of gas that you pay is determined by a prediction. The price you pay is based on what the price of gas will be many months from now. Which is all derived from supply and demand.

When the hurricane hit in Louisiana it shut down several gas refineries and a lot of off-shore drilling rigs. The United States has a huge amount of drilling rigs and refineries in that area of the country. Sure, gas stations across the US still had gas in their resivours and wouldn't have to refill them for some time. However, because a large chunk of the US Domestic Oil supply was frozen cold, there was an anticipation of a higher cost of oil, because we would be forced to buy MORE oil from the Middle East. Right now the price of oil in the Middle East is buffered by producing some of our own oil (this is partly the reason why the US oil prices are lower than most other countries in the world). When you shut down that buffer, everyone was anticipating a hike in oil prices and compensated at the pumps accordingly. This was also enhanced by the fact that no one knew how long it would be before the rigs and refineries got back online. If they had known exactly how long they would it was going to take to get back up and running, the price increases would not nearly have been as high.
 
jreffy said:
If you are talking about the price hike across the US for gas during that time, there was no price gouging. Sure, there was a hike in gas costs. In order to understand why that was, you have to understand how gas is priced to begin with.

The cost of gas that you pay right now is not the cost of the gas that is in the tanks at the gas station. The gas in those tanks is way cheaper than why you are paying at the pump. The price of gas that you pay is determined by a prediction. The price you pay is based on what the price of gas will be many months from now. Which is all derived from supply and demand.

When the hurricane hit in Louisiana it shut down several gas refineries and a lot of off-shore drilling rigs. The United States has a huge amount of drilling rigs and refineries in that area of the country. Sure, gas stations across the US still had gas in their resivours and wouldn't have to refill them for some time. However, because a large chunk of the US Domestic Oil supply was frozen cold, there was an anticipation of a higher cost of oil, because we would be forced to buy MORE oil from the Middle East. Right now the price of oil in the Middle East is buffered by producing some of our own oil (this is partly the reason why the US oil prices are lower than most other countries in the world). When you shut down that buffer, everyone was anticipating a hike in oil prices and compensated at the pumps accordingly. This was also enhanced by the fact that no one knew how long it would be before the rigs and refineries got back online. If they had known exactly how long they would it was going to take to get back up and running, the price increases would not nearly have been as high.
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I was talking about the price gouging that was going on in Northern LA and MS, and Southenr AR

But in cases of emergency we have a huge surplus of oil (600 million barrels I believe it is) stored away. If I remember correctly Bush sent the okay to dip into that surplus to "buffer" the damaged pipeline supplies.
 
ryan_975 said:
But even if there were people selling food and supplies at jacked up prices, you still have to account for the sheer madness that such a situation would bring. Extremely high prices for food and supplies would mean more people are willing ti kill and steal to get it. So your sceanrio 2 breaks down pretty quick.
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But then you'd be basing your outcome on a situation that might not necessarily happen. Sure, there might be SOME incidents of killing and stealing, however there's only a chance of it, and no guarantee that it will actually happen.

Sure, there's a CHANCE that I might crash and die in my car if I drive to work today, does that mean I shouldn't go? Because if I don't go, well then that's GUARANTEEING I won't be getting paid, and being able to pay my bills/food.
 
Just to clarify:

Price gouging favors the rich for survival as the poor cannot afford to purchase life sustaining materials. Thus price gouging does NOT save lives.

This is even worse when there is plenty of product (example oil), and prices are artificially inflated above reasonable amounts for the sole purpose of profitting off of other's misfortunes.
 
jreffy said:
But then you'd be basing your outcome on a situation that might not necessarily happen. Sure, there might be SOME incidents of killing and stealing, however there's only a chance of it, and no guarantee that it will actually happen.

Sure, there's a CHANCE that I might crash and die in my car if I drive to work today, does that mean I shouldn't go? Because if I don't go, well then that's GUARANTEEING I won't be getting paid, and being able to pay my bills/food.
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This has gone way off topic, I'm not disgussing it anymore.
 
jreffy said:
If you are talking about the price hike across the US for gas during that time, there was no price gouging. Sure, there was a hike in gas costs. In order to understand why that was, you have to understand how gas is priced to begin with.

The cost of gas that you pay right now is not the cost of the gas that is in the tanks at the gas station. The gas in those tanks is way cheaper than why you are paying at the pump. The price of gas that you pay is determined by a prediction. The price you pay is based on what the price of gas will be many months from now. Which is all derived from supply and demand.

When the hurricane hit in Louisiana it shut down several gas refineries and a lot of off-shore drilling rigs. The United States has a huge amount of drilling rigs and refineries in that area of the country. Sure, gas stations across the US still had gas in their resivours and wouldn't have to refill them for some time. However, because a large chunk of the US Domestic Oil supply was frozen cold, there was an anticipation of a higher cost of oil, because we would be forced to buy MORE oil from the Middle East. Right now the price of oil in the Middle East is buffered by producing some of our own oil (this is partly the reason why the US oil prices are lower than most other countries in the world). When you shut down that buffer, everyone was anticipating a hike in oil prices and compensated at the pumps accordingly. This was also enhanced by the fact that no one knew how long it would be before the rigs and refineries got back online. If they had known exactly how long they would it was going to take to get back up and running, the price increases would not nearly have been as high.
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Compensated at the pumps accordingly? Give me a break. The absolute second that oil prices go up, fuel prices at the pump go up, even though the fuel they purchased was at the reduced price. And how soon do the prices go down when there is a decrease in oil prices? Not as quick, thats for sure. And how about all those oil companies posting record profits this year. They have the balls to come out and say we are all in this together. Send me a check then bitches.

Back on topic. I am waiting to see Newegg correct the 6300 to show 2mb cache, and not make a "correction" to the price.
 
ryan_975 said:
I was talking about the price gouging that was going on in Northern LA and MS, and Southenr AR

But in cases of emergency we have a huge surplus of oil (600 million barrels I believe it is) stored away. If I remember correctly Bush sent the okay to dip into that surplus to "buffer" the damaged pipeline supplies.
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If you're just talking about the surrounding area, my store situation still applies. There was a massive exodus of people leaving the area during that time. They were all going to have to buy gas for their cars right? Think of the massive increase in gas demand being put on the stations in that area.

As for the national strategic oil reserves, yes, they do help buffer the cost, but their actual visual cost-effect is very low. maybe a few cents a gallon.
 
jreffy said:
Unlike most everyone else, I'm not one bit suprised about the markup on the new CPUs. That's why I'm not that motivated to complain or throw a tantrum about it. However, what I AM suprised about is the fact that so many people are this shocked about it.
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I can understand stupid high markups on eGay, but on a supposedly reputable store like Newegg? That's just plain BS. People like you who think it's no big deal makes the situation worse, not better. If you have a sense of outrage over the pricing (like you should, when other stores are carrying these processors for a lot less), then you avoid paying the stupid high prices and help others do the same. Then Newegg and any other vendor stupid enough to pull a stunt like this may possibly think twice before doing it again... :rolleyes:
 
as for the OP;

I was hoping to have my new system up and running by the end of this month, however, based on the price and availability of the Conroes I will either A) have to wait longer than I wanted to, or B) downgrade the processor I wanted to use (E6700) and purchase whatever is in stock and/or more affordable.
 
wtburnette said:
I can understand stupid high markups on eGay, but on a supposedly reputable store like Newegg? That's just plain BS. People like you who think it's no big deal makes the situation worse, not better. If you have a sense of outrage over the pricing (like you should, when other stores are carrying these processors for a lot less), then you avoid paying the stupid high prices and help others do the same. Then Newegg and any other vendor stupid enough to pull a stunt like this may possibly think twice before doing it again... :rolleyes:
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You're right, I don't think it's a big deal. However that doesn't mean I'm going to Newegg to purchase one anytime soon. Why should I be outraged if I can easily get the same processer for a lot less someplace else? If you ask me, the wide range of sources for cheaper Conroes makes me LESS mad that Newegg has jacked up the price.

I'm still not convinced this is "stupid" by Newegg. They are maximizing their profits, because you KNOW people are going to be willing to fork over that much money for those CPU's. There's nothing you can do about it, except avoid buying anything from Newegg from now on.
 
I got my e6300 for $209, $209 !!! Thats almost 100% mark-up; Newegg should feel ashamed.
 
jreffy said:
I'm still not convinced this is "stupid" by Newegg. They are maximizing their profits, because you KNOW people are going to be willing to fork over that much money for those CPU's. There's nothing you can do about it, except avoid buying anything from Newegg from now on.
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QFT... and to expand on this... they KNOW that all the people bitching are the same people who will go to them for their next piece of hardware if their price is lower than anybody else. Most people have NO principals when it comes to their dollars. Hell... how many people have SHOUTED they will go with whatever gives them the best "bang for their buck" regardless of the circumstances? Same deal.... everybody is all high and mighty until they benefit from shoving those "values" aside.
 
I think people are going a bit too far with this. I'm still ordering the rest of the parts for my build at the end of the month from the Egg, just not the processor if its still that high is all. They aren't marking up the acer monitor i want, or the creative sound card, or the hard drives...
 
Poncho said:
QFT... and to expand on this... they KNOW that all the people bitching are the same people who will go to them for their next piece of hardware if their price is lower than anybody else. Most people have NO principals when it comes to their dollars. Hell... how many people have SHOUTED they will go with whatever gives them the best "bang for their buck" regardless of the circumstances? Same deal.... everybody is all high and mighty until they benefit from shoving those "values" aside.
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EXACTLY. Newegg thought all this through before deciding on the markups. They probably concluded that the amount of business that they would lose, wasn't enough to justify lowering the prices so as not to piss people off.
 
Poncho said:
QFT... and to expand on this... they KNOW that all the people bitching are the same people who will go to them for their next piece of hardware if their price is lower than anybody else. Most people have NO principals when it comes to their dollars. Hell... how many people have SHOUTED they will go with whatever gives them the best "bang for their buck" regardless of the circumstances? Same deal.... everybody is all high and mighty until they benefit from shoving those "values" aside.
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I don't know about the rest of the peopke here but I've never said I won't buy from NE. I will and I know I will, provided they're the lowest price I can get what I'm looking for. As far as shoving values aside goes, what value is there in sticking with a business that 1. is not morally connected to their customers (name one that is), and 2) hasn't got the lowerst price?. Be it Intel/AMD or Newegg/ZipZoomFly, there's no lack of values for going with the one that gives you the most for your dollar.
 
Man, c'mon now

some of you are getting this twisted with fair market this and supply and demand that.

Look, explain to me how one place can sell it at $219 and the Newegg can charge $400 for the same product but, you're cool with that. Dude .. wtf hahaha

Where is the logic in that.

Don't over complicate this, it's easy.

And since the 2 or 3 of you are trying to play the other 1,000 of us like we're stupid, I have some new Artic Silver Lube that will cut down on the pain.
 
SixFootDuo said:
Look, explain to me how one place can sell it at $219 and the Newegg can charge $400 for the same product but, you're cool with that. Dude .. wtf hahaha
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Ok... let's assume that both places have the same amount of processors each, let's say 100. Now... let's also assume that newegg set this price becuase they evaluated and believe that they can sell every single one at that price before they get their next shipment and by extention of that... if the egg can sell them all, so can the lower priced company. So... from this we get:

Company A ($219) - 100 x $219 = $21,900 in revenue.
Newegg ($400) - 100 x $400 = $40,000 in revenue.

Newegg just brought in $18,100 more than the other company. If I was a shareholder (not sure if they are traded) in newegg I'd be happy, if I had an interest in the other company I'd be pissed. That's how I'm cool with it. I see the big picture while most of you are so fixated in your little bubble that you don't see how the world works.
 
You know what else I find interesting... 100% markup is not uncommon with electronics. I used to work in Car/Home Audio and A LOT of that was marked up 100-150 percent over what the retailer paid. Are you guys forgetting that the pricing that you are seeing from Intel is what the retailer pays? That is the price if you want to buy them by the 1000s. You guys want those prices... call Intel up and say you want 1000 6400's.... other wise deal with the middle man like you do with everything else you buy.
 
Poncho said:
You know what else I find interesting... 100% markup is not uncommon with electronics. I used to work in Car/Home Audio and A LOT of that was marked up 100-150 percent over what the retailer paid. Are you guys forgetting that the pricing that you are seeing from Intel is what the retailer pays? That is the price if you want to buy them by the 1000s. You guys want those prices... call Intel up and say you want 1000 6400's.... other wise deal with the middle man like you do with everything else you buy.
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Can somebody please provide me with a link that says whehter those prices are MSRP or per 1k?

Anyway, 100% markup over cost is one thing, but nearly 100% markup over other competitors is another.
 
SixFootDuo said:
some of you are getting this twisted with fair market this and supply and demand that.
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we're not getting anything "twisted" at all. This IS supply and demand. Anything that has any price on it anywhere, is tied into supply and demand, there's nothing you can do about it.

SixFootDuo said:
Look, explain to me how one place can sell it at $219 and the Newegg can charge $400 for the same product
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Easy, Newegg will sell out all of their Conroe processors, even at the inflated prices. Why sell something for less than what people are willing to pay for it?


Example, you and your neighbor both have the exact same car, and put them up for sale. Let's say the car is worth only 1000$. Someone wants to buy your car for 1500$ the first day you put it up for sale. You take it.

Your neighbor gets the same offer but he decides to hold out and wait for a better offer. 2 days later he gets an offer for his car for 3000$. Now let's b e honest, do you expect him to say "well, my neighbor sold his for only 1500, so I only want 1500 for mine."? No way, he's going to sell that car for AS MUCH AS SOMEONE IS WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. Simply by waiting for 2 days for someone more willing to fork over the extra money, he just made twice as much as you did.

The fact is, there are people out there who are willing to buy these processors at the high prices. So why not take advantage of the high demand and make more money?
 
Poncho said:
You know what else I find interesting... 100% markup is not uncommon with electronics. I used to work in Car/Home Audio and A LOT of that was marked up 100-150 percent over what the retailer paid. Are you guys forgetting that the pricing that you are seeing from Intel is what the retailer pays? That is the price if you want to buy them by the 1000s. You guys want those prices... call Intel up and say you want 1000 6400's.... other wise deal with the middle man like you do with everything else you buy.
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haha, at the demand out there right now, if I had the capital, I might be tempted to buy 1000 and sell them all on ebay for profit.
 
dude, I didn't even read your post, just skimmed over it ... so, what did I saw earlier, there were 2 or 3 trying to clown the other 1,000 of us on this point?


Make it 3 or 4 now I guess
 
ryan_975 said:
Anyway, 100% markup over cost is one thing, but nearly 100% markup over other competitors is another.
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Actually no... when you have competition you raise or lower your price accordingly. That's why places have sales, bargaining, etc. While the place I worked couldn't always get the full MSRP markup... they would try and would if they could. Even though you could get a better deal down the street. There are many reasons why people are WILLING to pay more for something. Then when you factor in a high demand.... done. You are paying FULL markup.
 
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