RTX 5090 FE Molten 12VHPWR

So PSA, as much as I hate the 5090 FE, right now it seems Nvidia is the only one honoring their warranty commitments currently. All the other 5090 warranties are worth, at best, your purchase price if purchased first party from an authorized reseller. GLTA.
 
So PSA, as much as I hate the 5090 FE, right now it seems Nvidia is the only one honoring their warranty commitments currently. All the other 5090 warranties are worth, at best, your purchase price if purchased first party from an authorized reseller. GLTA.
erek had his msi replaced successfully.
 
This tread would need 750 melted 5090's in order to reach 0.5% failure rate globally(conservatively)

Facts do not scare for feelings.
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asus tuf 5090
12vhpwr melted

https://x.com/unikoshardware/status/2114932878425596141
 
that's correct
Good to hear, considering I have a MSI 5080 currently and it's headed in the same direction price wise. How long ago was this though? I am skeptical AIBs will keep cards in stock for warranty purposes given current market 'opportunities' (sell any remaining inventory at current prices or repurpose the dies for the rtx pro cards, a relatively simple operation for the big players).
 
But that would mean that the 8-pin connector is also prone to damage if the user isn't adequately seating it.

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Or it means Nvidia cheaped out and left out load balancers. Or it means someone tried driving 600W through 300W of connectors -- the PCIe 8 pin is rated for 150W. You need four of them to drive a 5090, two is insufficient.

Anybody discussing this issue without addressing the other design shortcomings beyond the connectors is either confused or being intentionally obtuse.
 
Or it means Nvidia cheaped out and left out load balancers. Or it means someone tried driving 600W through 300W of connectors -- the PCIe 8 pin is rated for 150W. You need four of them to drive a 5090, two is insufficient.

Anybody discussing this issue without addressing the other design shortcomings beyond the connectors is either confused or being intentionally obtuse.
It's the latter at this point. Same for mentions of statistics unlikely to ever be released.
 
Or it means Nvidia cheaped out and left out load balancers. Or it means someone tried driving 600W through 300W of connectors -- the PCIe 8 pin is rated for 150W. You need four of them to drive a 5090, two is insufficient.

Anybody discussing this issue without addressing the other design shortcomings beyond the connectors is either confused or being intentionally obtuse.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter if it the cable, the connector or because no load balancing.....they are buring because the power delivery circuit is subpar the cable/plug needs more overhead and the vrm probably should be broken up to two or three current limited pairs.....or just two plugs for everything over 400w
 
At the end of the day it doesn't matter if it the cable, the connector or because no load balancing.....they are buring because the power delivery circuit is subpar the cable/plug needs more overhead and the vrm probably should be broken up to two or three current limited pairs.....or just two plugs for everything over 400w
Pretty much agree only I'm not sure if two plugs are enough without load balancing.
 
So you are making this thread useless.
You do notcare about SKU's, user errors or anything.

You just panda-sad because you card died and now someone has to be blamed, damned the facts.


Good job /s

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-X1IVAY968&pp=ugUHEgVlbi1HQg%3D%3D
"TL;DW electrically the equalizer is the same as the Nvidia Octopus adapters. It also partially disables the current monitoring functionality of a Wireview pro II and PSUs with per-pin current monitoring."
 
For the afternoon, this thread would have been absolutely dead if it wasn't for erek's posts...
Well, I think it’s pretty obvious to most people that the connector(s) in conjunction with cheapskate board design, lack of regular design safety margins for current and even some user errors resulting in trashed cables and connectors is established.

Now it’s just fun to watch the carnage.
 

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-X1IVAY968&pp=ugUHEgVlbi1HQg%3D%3D
"TL;DW electrically the equalizer is the same as the Nvidia Octopus adapters. It also partially disables the current monitoring functionality of a Wireview pro II and PSUs with per-pin current monitoring."

this is interesting though?

Here is the core difference between the two designs:
  • Octopus Adapters: All incoming power wires are soldered onto a single, shared copper block (busbar) inside the plug. If one pin makes poor contact, the current blindly dumps onto the remaining pins on that shared block, overloading them and risking a meltdown.
  • Isolated Offerings: Every single pin maintains its own independent wire or PCB trace from the power supply to the graphics card. If one pin fails or develops high resistance, it cannot dump its electrical load onto neighboring pins, preventing a cascading overcurrent failure.

… also if you go native atx 3.1 …

Native ATX 3.1 / 12V-2x6 Power Architecture
If you are planning to upgrade components, moving away from adapters entirely to the updated 12V-2x6 standard (introduced in ATX 3.1) changes the equation. [1, 2]
  • How it works: While standard 12VHPWR extensions relies on external logic to ensure it's plugged in correctly, the 12V-2x6 design uses 1.5mm shorter sense pins embedded deep in the housing geometry.
  • The Benefit: If the connection is even slightly uneven or loose, the sense wires physically disconnect first. The GPU instantly recognizes that it lacks secure contact and refuses to pull full power, removing the risk of overloading one row of pins due to a crooked connection.

(stuff i didn’t realize)
 
For the afternoon, this thread would have been absolutely dead if it wasn't for erek's posts...
But this thread should be subdivided, because he posts all sort of stuff and tries to attribuate to the same "issue"

- Melted 8 power pin
- Melted 12VHPWR
- Melted 12V-2x6
- 5090's
- 5080's
- 5070's
- 4090's

It a graveyard of hurt ego/personal bias and a piss poor one at that.
 
It will continue to get worse, that design will continue to degrade over time and I don't think many monitor the connecter until they have a issue, and by then the damage is done. Seen it many time in the automotive industry with blower motor wiring and connecters, where they push the amperage to the limit of the connecter and wire and you end up with pictures we have been enjoying in this thread.
 
this is interesting though?

Here is the core difference between the two designs:
  • Octopus Adapters: All incoming power wires are soldered onto a single, shared copper block (busbar) inside the plug. If one pin makes poor contact, the current blindly dumps onto the remaining pins on that shared block, overloading them and risking a meltdown.
  • Isolated Offerings: Every single pin maintains its own independent wire or PCB trace from the power supply to the graphics card. If one pin fails or develops high resistance, it cannot dump its electrical load onto neighboring pins, preventing a cascading overcurrent failure.

… also if you go native atx 3.1 …

Native ATX 3.1 / 12V-2x6 Power Architecture
If you are planning to upgrade components, moving away from adapters entirely to the updated 12V-2x6 standard (introduced in ATX 3.1) changes the equation. [1, 2]
  • How it works: While standard 12VHPWR extensions relies on external logic to ensure it's plugged in correctly, the 12V-2x6 design uses 1.5mm shorter sense pins embedded deep in the housing geometry.
  • The Benefit: If the connection is even slightly uneven or loose, the sense wires physically disconnect first. The GPU instantly recognizes that it lacks secure contact and refuses to pull full power, removing the risk of overloading one row of pins due to a crooked connection.

(stuff i didn’t realize)
I pointed this out a few pages back. The ROG Equalizer is the worst of the fixes because it actually exacerbates the problem rather than improving it. Without the equalizer, it has the entire length of the wire to help balance out resistance. With the equalizer, only the short piece of wire between the equalizer and the plug contributes to the balancing, amplifying any effects of pin resistance difference.

12v-2x6 doesn't seem to have improved the situation at all.
 
But this thread should be subdivided, because he posts all sort of stuff and tries to attribuate to the same "issue"

- Melted 8 power pin
- Melted 12VHPWR
- Melted 12V-2x6
- 5090's
- 5080's
- 5070's
- 4090's

It a graveyard of hurt ego/personal bias and a piss poor one at that.
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“From my unofficial benchmark the MSI power adapter for the 5070ti is good for about 1 year and 8 months.

Was playing war dogs when computer randomly turned off, rebooted was fine.

Happened again . I decided to check event viewer. Saw Nvidia driver crashing. Reinstalled driver has no issue for about a hour. Today went to boot up war dogs and everytime I booted up my pc crashed. Out of curiosity I decided to try kombuster. Instant crash when starting stress test.

Out of further curiosity I decided to check the connector… guess what burn marks.

Mind you all, I put this card in 1 year and 8 months ago and never touched the connector since then and I have not moved my pc.“

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming...1af2de87f6eebdb6baef53f6ae4caa319&jsc_orig_r=

arestavo mentioned this ^^^​

 
“From my unofficial benchmark the MSI power adapter for the 5070ti is good for about 1 year and 8 months.

Was playing war dogs when computer randomly turned off, rebooted was fine.

Happened again . I decided to check event viewer. Saw Nvidia driver crashing. Reinstalled driver has no issue for about a hour. Today went to boot up war dogs and everytime I booted up my pc crashed. Out of curiosity I decided to try kombuster. Instant crash when starting stress test.

Out of further curiosity I decided to check the connector… guess what burn marks.

Mind you all, I put this card in 1 year and 8 months ago and never touched the connector since then and I have not moved my pc.“

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming...1af2de87f6eebdb6baef53f6ae4caa319&jsc_orig_r=

arestavo mentioned this ^^^​

And several posts down in that thread was another 5070 ti user with a burnt connector.

"Gaming trio 5070ti. Also using the adapter as my old psu was not atx 3.0 native.

Crashed like 3 times on a few msfs sessions , once I ruled out driver issues, I decided to check the adapter and lo and behold it was burnt.

My card was stock, no oc. Just using the gaming mode instead of the silent.
"
 
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