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A new California law says all operating systems, including Linux, need to have some form of age verification at account setup

Mazzspeed said:
There's absolutely no way you're gonna be able to force age verification under an OSS operating system, highlighting just how out of touch politicians really are.
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The fact they even mentioned Linux means they're at least aware of it. Not enough to understand how open source works, but it's the lack of thought that counts. These people live in a world where iPhones and Android devices are under Apple's and Google's control. Except that Windows can be modded to have any system removed and you can even remove the part of Linux that requires age verification. Even certain Android phones can use LineageOS and GrapheneOS.

The irony of this law is that they want OS's to verify age. Would this even stop Bill Gates from going to Pedo Island and sleeping with Russian girls? This is data collection and nothing more. None of the elite pedos have been arrested in America, and they want us to think of the children?
 
Twisted Kidney said:
None of this is worth it until we make privacy a fundamental human right. I genuinely believe it needs to happen.
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Especially in the US, where data brokers run wild and websites track you up the wazoo. The EU has the GDPR, at least in theory.
 
DukenukemX said:
The fact they even mentioned Linux means they're at least aware of it. Not enough to understand how open source works, but it's the lack of thought that counts. These people live in a world where iPhones and Android devices are under Apple's and Google's control. Except that Windows can be modded to have any system removed and you can even remove the part of Linux that requires age verification. Even certain Android phones can use LineageOS and GrapheneOS.

The irony of this law is that they want OS's to verify age. Would this even stop Bill Gates from going to Pedo Island and sleeping with Russian girls? This is data collection and nothing more. None of the elite pedos have been arrested in America, and they want us to think of the children?
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Don't forget that most legislators are not tech-savvy, to put it politely. I like CA's strong privacy protections, but this law puzzles me.

Assuming that the OS can reliably determines someone's age, a big assumption, then what? Who "consumes" this information, adn for what purposes? Signups to adult websites? Will this law force Windows and Linux to have CA-specific versions? Or is the CA market big enough that Microsoft and various Linux distros will implement it worldwide?

And I suspect that before long, we will see hacks to bypass this feature, especially Linux. And what if either Windows or Linux has multiple users, some adults and some minors. Plus VPNs that offer to make a CA-based user appear to live in another state?

Overall, seems well-intentioned, but too facile to be effective.
 
Axman said:
I don't see how any of this is well-intentioned, even just on the surface.
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Because legislators in CA are generally motivated (or so they say) to improve people's lives.Now define "improve."
 
Twisted Kidney said:
I do like the idea that if it's going to be mandatory that it be in the OS. It's still like choosing which vial of poison you think you might enjoy most though.
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The law makes no sense since it doesn't require the OS to do proper assurance of the user's age, which is required by various US states, UK and Australia (and possibly soon Canada, etc).

It'd be quite literally useless when proper age assurance is needed, since per the quoted bill the user age is meant to be self-reported (which someone underage could also do), yet would mandate the feature for OSes.

It just further fragments approaches, as if there weren't enough already. Governments would be better looking at ZKP BBS+ which preserves anonymity but allows actual cryptographic proofs of details from ID(s)/private data (without revealing what the data is, like confirming over 18 but not the age) and could be adopted by various sectors. In fact, the UK government even has a page covering ZKP BBS+ but did they push for it? No. It just lingers in the background while maligned tech solutions like facial biometrics and just handing over physical IDs are used.
 
philb2 said:
Don't forget that most legislators are not tech-savvy, to put it politely. I like CA's strong privacy protections, but this law puzzles me.

Assuming that the OS can reliably determines someone's age, a big assumption, then what? Who "consumes" this information, adn for what purposes? Signups to adult websites? Will this law force Windows and Linux to have CA-specific versions? Or is the CA market big enough that Microsoft and various Linux distros will implement it worldwide?

And I suspect that before long, we will see hacks to bypass this feature, especially Linux. And what if either Windows or Linux has multiple users, some adults and some minors. Plus VPNs that offer to make a CA-based user appear to live in another state?

Overall, seems well-intentioned, but too facile to be effective.
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From what little I understand this is a faith based age system. It's not like Discord where they want a photo or ID but that you answer honestly if you're over 18. Nobody ever answers those honestly. Does this happen every time someone logs in? Is this a one time question? What's to stop Linux distros asking users if they're from California and expect them to answer honestly?

Linux distros would likely not cater to this California Law with the exception of Distros like Ubuntu. Same goes for Android roms. If Apple, Google, and Microsoft has a penis then it would be quite auspicious that they wear baggy pants. This is every tech companies wet dream.
 
Rather than force them to comply, wouldn't the simpler solution be to force them to not exist? Is that not the actual purpose of these laws?
 
Will the OS in my router need to verify age? How about any embedded OS in a smart refrigerator, My NAS, a Roomba, or any IOT device? For that matter all 3 of my monitors and both printers have an operating system, how far does this go?

Ya I get other than a few Windows (desktop and laptops) the rest are mostly linux (router and NAS for sure) - I am assuming that Tizen is Penguin powered.

Will I need to age verify to nuke my coffee in the mornings? My current Kurig only has basic buttons but we all know it has a cpu in there somewhere - I dont think something that simple would need an OS but who knows...
 
The onus really should be on device manufacturers making easy-to-use tools for parents to watch over their children, not the websites. Instead of a verified-over-18 signal, a parent should be able to easily set up a device for their child and mark it as under-18. If a website or app receives a signal from an under-18 OS, access is blocked. No identification needed. Give the parents control, not governments.

Better yet, a trusted under-18 domain list should be baked into the OS, easily activated during setup, and any access outside of the domain is restricted. If a child tries to access something outside the whitelist, the parent will be notified and can then either whitelist it or have a talk with their child about why they're trying to access that site. No data gathered, no government watchdog necessary.
 
Elf_Boy said:
Will the OS in my router need to verify age? How about any embedded OS in a smart refrigerator, My NAS, a Roomba, or any IOT device? For that matter all 3 of my monitors and both printers have an operating system, how far does this go?

Ya I get other than a few Windows (desktop and laptops) the rest are mostly linux (router and NAS for sure) - I am assuming that Tizen is Penguin powered.

Will I need to age verify to nuke my coffee in the mornings? My current Kurig only has basic buttons but we all know it has a cpu in there somewhere - I dont think something that simple would need an OS but who knows...
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I didn't think that far. Does my Android car stereo need age verification? This gets dumber the more I think about it.
Tsumi said:
The onus really should be on device manufacturers making easy-to-use tools for parents to watch over their children, not the websites. Instead of a verified-over-18 signal, a parent should be able to easily set up a device for their child and mark it as under-18. If a website or app receives a signal from an under-18 OS, access is blocked. No identification needed. Give the parents control, not governments.

Better yet, a trusted under-18 domain list should be baked into the OS, easily activated during setup, and any access outside of the domain is restricted. If a child tries to access something outside the whitelist, the parent will be notified and can then either whitelist it or have a talk with their child about why they're trying to access that site. No data gathered, no government watchdog necessary.
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Stop treating kids as idiots. Sit down and have the talk and make them understand that the internet and also the world is full of wealthy pedos. Does anyone think that age verification will stop children from looking up porn? Will it stop pedos in Roblox? All of Epstein's victims were poor and came from broken families. Will age verification prevent that? I grew up in a time where only children could use computers and set the clock on the VCR. You think kids won't find a way to do what they want? Just educate them already.

View: https://youtu.be/v5VhAthb2pc?si=o8EfbkGVkvhPXH7_
 
DukenukemX said:
I didn't think that far. Does my Android car stereo need age verification? This gets dumber the more I think about it.

Stop treating kids as idiots. Sit down and have the talk and make them understand that the internet and also the world is full of wealthy pedos. Does anyone think that age verification will stop children from looking up porn? Will it stop pedos in Roblox? All of Epstein's victims were poor and came from broken families. Will age verification prevent that? I grew up in a time where only children could use computers and set the clock on the VCR. You think kids won't find a way to do what they want? Just educate them already.

View: https://youtu.be/v5VhAthb2pc?si=o8EfbkGVkvhPXH7_
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Kids might not be idiots, but no guardrails whatsoever isn't the answer either. Also, just because you were fine without safeguards in the past doesn't mean we should continue without safeguards- history is full of examples of where something previously unregulated becomes regulated due to previously unknown or unforeseen safety risks. Pedophila isn't the only risk- radicalization, cults, scams, bullying, and blackmail/extortion are also all very real risks that often happen silently. In the real world this is much harder because there are other people around, but online groups are isolated environments with minimal oversight and easy anonymity.

Roblox and other games with online interactive features- again, what is needed is easily usable and accessible parental controls. Chats between approved friends only- parents must approve friends. No stranger communications. Custom creations must have an approval process. Either paid content moderators approve it as safe for all ages or parents review it first and approve it for their kid. All can be done and implemented without government watchdogs or intrusive data collection.

Edit: All that's needed is a law requiring easy to use parental control of kid accounts on the OS and other social accounts. A parent would have the freedom to not implement the controls should they choose to do so- it would not be a crime if the parent doesn't use it, but they will have to take accountability for whatever their kid does. The government shouldn't be stepping in and controlling what people can and can't access. They shouldn't be mandating that private companies need to collect personal data to determine access eligibility. Let the concerned parents safeguard their kids to the degree they deem necessary and the unconcerned ones are free to let their kids run wild.
 
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Tsumi said:
Kids might not be idiots, but no guardrails whatsoever isn't the answer either.
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Then parents need to parent. I don't have a problem with parental controls. Age verification won't do anything beneficial for children.
Also, just because you were fine without safeguards in the past doesn't mean we should continue without safeguards-
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My parents didn't exactly police what I did. I was mostly free to do what I want. I wasn't one of those kids who went around setting things on fire. More like building a Gameboy out of lego because my family couldn't afford one.
history is full of examples of where something previously unregulated becomes regulated due to previously unknown or unforeseen safety risks.
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For corporations who do terrible things to the people. You know, like dumping waste and charging you hidden fees.
Pedophila isn't the only risk- radicalization, cults, scams, bullying, and blackmail/extortion are also all very real risks that often happen silently. In the real world this is much harder because there are other people around, but online groups are isolated environments with minimal oversight and easy anonymity.
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Your list is strange. Most of it applies to Epstein Island where Bill Gates who helped make Windows was catching viruses from underage Russian girls. A place that only the wealthy elite would radicalize, cults, scam, and blackmail/extortion for Mossad. Bullying is odd since I don't know anyone who was bullied online. This is the sort of thing that happens in real life, which I have experience with and I can tell you that teachers do not care. It wasn't until after the Columbine shooting where teachers were required to care because their lives depended on it. None of this will get solved with regulation on the internet. Especially age verification.
Roblox and other games with online interactive features- again, what is needed is easily usable and accessible parental controls. Chats between approved friends only- parents must approve friends. No stranger communications. Custom creations must have an approval process. Either paid content moderators approve it as safe for all ages or parents review it first and approve it for their kid. All can be done and implemented without government watchdogs or intrusive data collection.
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Roblox went after people who tried to catch a predator. Nobody is holding their feet to the fire. All age verification will do is help the wealthy pedos determine if their online victims are too old.
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Edit: All that's needed is a law requiring easy to use parental control of kid accounts on the OS and other social accounts. A parent would have the freedom to not implement the controls should they choose to do so- it would not be a crime if the parent doesn't use it, but they will have to take accountability for whatever their kid does. The government shouldn't be stepping in and controlling what people can and can't access. They shouldn't be mandating that private companies need to collect personal data to determine access eligibility. Let the concerned parents safeguard their kids to the degree they deem necessary and the unconcerned ones are free to let their kids run wild.
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Parental controls make sense, but keep in mind for what? To signal to web browsers to not allow kids onto PornHub or Roblox? There are too many websites that can allow porn like content. If a child complains enough and the parent doesn't care enough, then they will still get their way. There are students sharing nudes of a female student created with AI. Parental controls are for parents who pay attention, but those parents already have methods to prevent their kids from reaching certain websites. I can just use my routers OpenWRT software to block DNS traffic using known trackers and most porn websites will be blocked. I can also limit this to certain devices Mac addresses. I already tried this and kids use VPN's around this. Free VPN's too. Had to block the VPN's Mac Address which it auto generates a new one. Had to take away administration so they couldn't install it.
 
By far the greatest threat to children comes from inside the home. I guess pedophilia is on people's minds because of the Epstein files but no amount of age verification is going to prevent a parent, a grandparent, or uncle/auntie beating and/or molesting a child and that shit happens all day every day. This isn't a new threat, either. The era where we roamed the internet without supervision and set the VCRs for our parents was also the age of satanic cults (debunked after years of hysteria), children on milk cartons (also largely debunked as our data became clear that the threat was coming from people who knew the children instead of a random panel van), and latchkey kids (straight up lacking parental supervision in general not just cyberspace).

I'm a criminology professor and one of my course is on social control. All of this is straight out of one of my books. Moral entrepreneurs was coined by Howard Becker in the 60s. They're the groups who whip shit up to define what and who is deviant (eg, teetotalers, reefer madness, Tipper Gore, Nancy Reagan, etc.), incite moral panics, and then pass policies to control what we consume and how we consume it whether it's media, substances, or anything else they get their panties wadded up over. They rarely increase public safety and often times reduce public and individual safety, like prohibition, how we (fail to) address violent/sex offenses against children, and even things like sex offender registries.
 
DukenukemX said:
Then parents need to parent. I don't have a problem with parental controls. Age verification won't do anything beneficial for children.

My parents didn't exactly police what I did. I was mostly free to do what I want. I wasn't one of those kids who went around setting things on fire. More like building a Gameboy out of lego because my family couldn't afford one.

For corporations who do terrible things to the people. You know, like dumping waste and charging you hidden fees.

Your list is strange. Most of it applies to Epstein Island where Bill Gates who helped make Windows was catching viruses from underage Russian girls. A place that only the wealthy elite would radicalize, cults, scam, and blackmail/extortion for Mossad. Bullying is odd since I don't know anyone who was bullied online. This is the sort of thing that happens in real life, which I have experience with and I can tell you that teachers do not care. It wasn't until after the Columbine shooting where teachers were required to care because their lives depended on it. None of this will get solved with regulation on the internet. Especially age verification.

Roblox went after people who tried to catch a predator. Nobody is holding their feet to the fire. All age verification will do is help the wealthy pedos determine if their online victims are too old.
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Parental controls make sense, but keep in mind for what? To signal to web browsers to not allow kids onto PornHub or Roblox? There are too many websites that can allow porn like content. If a child complains enough and the parent doesn't care enough, then they will still get their way. There are students sharing nudes of a female student created with AI. Parental controls are for parents who pay attention, but those parents already have methods to prevent their kids from reaching certain websites. I can just use my routers OpenWRT software to block DNS traffic using known trackers and most porn websites will be blocked. I can also limit this to certain devices Mac addresses. I already tried this and kids use VPN's around this. Free VPN's too. Had to block the VPN's Mac Address which it auto generates a new one. Had to take away administration so they couldn't install it.
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Stop conflating my proposal with what is currently being implemented. An OS-level age signal set by the parents as a parental control tool is not the same thing as date or ID age verification on the website.

Cyber bullying can be far more intense and hidden than open bullying on the playground, and has led to suicides. Just because you don't know of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Isolation is the difference between online and real life- it's far easier to isolate someone and go to extremes due to the perceived anonymity.

Most people are not technically literate enough to use OpenWRT, maintain their own domain lists, or effectively use administrative tools. A router-level whitelist can cause inconveniences with the parents' web browsing, and everyone knows the more of a nuisance something is, the more likely people are to disable it. Plus, router-level whitelists wouldn't work when on mobile data.

A law mandating easier usage of those tools at the OS level would be far more effective than attempting to regulate websites, which is what I am saying. A small whitelist with approved exceptions for each site outside of the whitelist, no administrative rights, and using the OS age signal to block mature parts and account creation on approved sites (i.e. Youtube) would prevent basically all of the go-arounds you are bringing up for a parent that wants to be vigilant. The point is to make the tools exist because they currently don't, at least not in an easily accessible manner and definitely not baked into the OS by default, and if there are loopholes, they can be addressed when discovered. Breaches caused by a parent's lack of vigilance and/or care is on the parent and would prevent parents (and SJWs or moral entrepreneurs as mope54 brought up) from attempting to shift blame onto corporations for their own negligence, though I'm sure our litigious society will continue to attempt to do so anyways regardless of what safeguard measures are passed.
 
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Is anybody working on this bill aware that the vast majority of deployed operating systems belong to completely automated infrastructure and have no users to perform age verification against?

** Reads bill **

Nope, they have no idea what they're doing. The way this is written, your car now has to pretend it was born on 1/1/1970 and upload root's birthday to an "application store" before the engine control unit can legally receive firmware updates.
 
nthexwn said:
Is anybody working on this bill aware that the vast majority of deployed operating systems belong to completely automated infrastructure and have no users to perform age verification against?

** Reads bill **

Nope, they have no idea what they're doing. The way this is written, your car now has to pretend it was born on 1/1/1970 and upload root's birthday to an "application store" before the engine control unit can legally receive firmware updates.
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That actually sounds amazing, almost makes me want them to pass it...almost.

Edit: Technically speaking, your phone's (or any device's) cell modem also has it's own operating system, which would be bound by this law as well. I'm not talking about android, btw.
 
Nobu said:
Technically speaking, your phone's cell modem also has it's own operating system, which would be bound by this law as well. I'm not talking about android, btw.
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Yeah, the baseband processor or whatever. Technically I think sim cards do too, don't they?
 
Tsumi said:
Cyber bullying can be far more intense and hidden than open bullying on the playground, and has led to suicides. Just because you don't know of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Isolation is the difference between online and real life- it's far easier to isolate someone and go to extremes due to the perceived anonymity.
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Online bullying has a very simple solution. Unlike a school or work environment where you have to be there, you don't have to be online. If you're willfully staying online and getting harassed then that's on you. This is where the term "don't feed the trolls" came from. This goes down a slippery slop since opinions can be construed as harassment.

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Most people are not technically literate enough to use OpenWRT, maintain their own domain lists, or effectively use administrative tools. A router-level whitelist can cause inconveniences with the parents' web browsing, and everyone knows the more of a nuisance something is, the more likely people are to disable it. Plus, router-level whitelists wouldn't work when on mobile data.
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Examples like OpenWRT are extreme examples of what parents could do. Also, if I want to avoid my own blocklist I can just tell my device to use a different DNS like CloudFlare's 1.1.1.1 or Google's 8.8.8.8. And yes, a whitelist does work on mobile devices. Both Android and iOS have a Hosts file. A more casual method would be to download a program or app that modifies the Hosts file to block certain websites. Then just put in parental controls that prevent the child from removing or modifying the app. Which is something you should do anyway unless you want to find out how many apps your children can buy in a month?
A law mandating easier usage of those tools at the OS level would be far more effective than attempting to regulate websites, which is what I am saying. A small whitelist with approved exceptions for each site outside of the whitelist, no administrative rights, and using the OS age signal to block mature parts and account creation on approved sites (i.e. Youtube) would prevent basically all of the go-arounds you are bringing up for a parent that wants to be vigilant. The point is to make the tools exist because they currently don't, at least not in an easily accessible manner and definitely not baked into the OS by default, and if there are loopholes, they can be addressed when discovered. Breaches caused by a parent's lack of vigilance and/or care is on the parent and would prevent parents (and SJWs or moral entrepreneurs as mope54 brought up) from attempting to shift blame onto corporations for their own negligence, though I'm sure our litigious society will continue to attempt to do so anyways regardless of what safeguard measures are passed.
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Having the OS dictate children's online behavior is about as effective as any other patently tool if the parent doesn't want to watch their children. Windows does have parental controls called Microsoft Family Safety. MacOS and Linux also have parental controls. They could make better parental controls, but it's getting to the point where the parent is functionally illiterate while the child isn't. We have a situation where the household is starting to resemble Dexter's Laboratory.
 
Just saw another article on the topic, lists the law as applying only to general purpose computers.... Does that include my Apple //c+ and //gs?

All those new to market Commodore 64's?

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Elf_Boy said:
Just saw another article ont he topic, lists the law as applying only to general purpose computers.... Does that include my Apple //c+ and //gs?

All those new to market Commodore 64's?
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Yep.
 
nthexwn said:
Is anybody working on this bill aware that the vast majority of deployed operating systems belong to completely automated infrastructure and have no users to perform age verification against?

** Reads bill **

Nope, they have no idea what they're doing. The way this is written, your car now has to pretend it was born on 1/1/1970 and upload root's birthday to an "application store" before the engine control unit can legally receive firmware updates.
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seem to say that limit it to general purpose computing device that can access a covered application store or download an application (those are store/application with age verification), that would exclude a microwave or car OS

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/...ohibit an,the Attorney General, as prescribed.
 
LukeTbk said:
seem to say that limit it to general purpose computing device that can access a covered application store or download an application (those are store/application with age verification), that would exclude a microwave or car OS

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1043#:~:text=This bill would prohibit an,the Attorney General, as prescribed.
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Just for the sake of argument, can your car run Doom? Not is it currently installed, but could it be made to do so? Can it execute arbitrary code? I dont know what you have (and it doesnt really matter) there are vehicles out there that are general capable systems.

What about all those Pi/Arduino/IOT things?

To branch out I am also concerned about the requirement that the age be verified at OS set up. So if Gramps has his 12 year old grand daughter set up his new computer... It is forever a 12 year old's computer?


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7R3NbRgVgn0

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mmiPT2avrY
 
Elf_Boy said:
I dont know what you have (and it doesnt really matter) there are vehicles out there that are general capable systems.
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yes the android-appleOS part that make it easy for the user to install third party app could be covered (but those are different than the in charge of cars things OS)

and for those (who already have users accounts) would not be a big deal at all to add this.

Elf_Boy said:
What about all those Pi/Arduino/IOT things?
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Those (at least the Pi probably less the arduino) probably will have issues, they are not just capable of running netflix or what not, but made for it/normal and common use case, Arduinos does not really have an OS on them (very limited for those that do) you flash it yourself on the bare metal and not usually used to download apps by children.

They could make a license that make it illegal for people to use to still have some distro that do not ask for a birthday at the first boot which could make it hard for massive automatic headless deployment.

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You need an ID/proof of age to run an operating system.
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no ID or proof involved here, 100% voluntary (i.e. it is parents responsibility to use it and enforce it to their childs or not).
 
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KazeoHin said:
The greatest, most egregious acts of rights violations and authoritarianism are performed under the guise of protecting the children. Tell people you're protecting the children, and you can get away with anything.
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I don't think this is convincing anyone. What this is doing is presenting an argument to support their draconian laws. It doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense that age verification won't protect children. "Think of the children" is considered an immutable position. As long as they can justify their actions, then they will continue to act.
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
https://9to5linux.com/ubuntu-fedora-linux-mint-eye-age-verification-amid-california-law-backlash
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Digital Services Act (DSA) is already in full effect across the EU as of February 2024 for all digital services to ensure high levels of privacy, safety, and security for minors
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Sorry, but they can not say "Privacy, safety & security" for these acts when the very companies used to verify ID's are being breached and said documents leaked....more smoke...
 
This age verification is just opening the door to do much more. This is against USA's First Amendment. I'm not sure how these laws are getting passed without scrutiny? I can tell you exactly how this will play out. This is also why they won't stop at age verification.

  1. Firstly, nobody is going to acknowledge their true age. Especially if this is done daily, then people will select random numbers just to use their computer. I already select random numbers on Steam because I know as long as I'm above 18 years old then I can continue to visit the website.
  2. Smart people will just remove the age check. It'll be done on Windows, MacOS, Linux, Android, but not iOS. Sorry iOS users, you're screwed. I already download programs to remove all of Microsoft telemetry. The law requires OS's to include it, but it's still "MY" computer. Especially OS's like Linux and Android where it's open source nature will make this super easy. Removing age verification will be as common as ad blocking.
  3. VPN's will make this trivial. At some point these governments will find the time to ban VPN's because god forbid they work on important matters, but I'm sure that as long as I set my state to one that doesn't require age verification or even some other country (Not UK), then this can be easily avoided. I'm sure Microsoft and Google will constantly check IP's to see what your location is and then flip on the age verification feature, because they will collect this required data from the government and sell it. You can make as many laws as you want, but these companies will push for age verification because it's data they can sell. This includes Apple but I don't see Apple users able to avoid the age verification check on their iOS devices.

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1_rick said:
None of these retards are coming out and saying "fine, our software is now licensed that nobody in California is allowed to use it, and we're not going to put age tracking in it" because at the end of the day all they care about is watching their bank accounts go up.
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Midnight BSD did. It's not comforting that they're the only ones.
https://ostechnix.com/midnightbsd-excludes-california-digital-age-assurance-act/
 
DukenukemX said:
Firstly, nobody is going to acknowledge their true age. Especially if this is done daily, then people will select random numbers just to use their computer. I already select random numbers on Steam because I know as long as I'm above 18 years old then I can continue to visit the website.
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I am not sure you get the goal here, parents setting up account could put their kids real age, for everybody else of course not everyone will be 1/1/1990 or the default offer.
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Smart people will just remove the age check
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Why would smart people care for a second ? specially if they use some service that will not work without it ?
 
Axman said:
Because the next step is tying it to a government ID.
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and what-how removing this volontary age check change anything inthat regard ? if people do not want it, vote people that will put a different law in. that fully on people here.
 
Axman said:
First, Fifth, probably a lot more, and explicitly by the COPPA Act, but the FTC bureaucracy has already declared an exception for these laws.

The whopping two person committee.
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I guarantee you someone is going to sue them. I could see a Linux distro putting together funding to fight this, but I don't even think it'll be a Linux distro. This seems like an easy case to win in court.
LukeTbk said:
I am not sure you get the goal here, parents setting up account could put their kids real age, for everybody else of course not everyone will be 1/1/1990 or the default offer.
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Real age once or every time they log in? From what I understand it seems like they want you to verify your age with each login. That's going to get annoying fast.
Why would smart people care for a second ? specially if they use some service that will not work without it ?
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What service won't work without age verification? Porn websites? Banking? I thought this was limited to just getting into my PC?
Axman said:
Because the next step is tying it to a government ID.
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That's exactly it. Imagine the amount of useless data Microsoft, Google, and Apple will collect when everyone was born 9/9/999?
LukeTbk said:
and what-how removing this volontary age check change anything inthat regard ? if people do not want it, vote people that will put a different law in. that fully on people here.
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You mean like Net Neutrality? We had to wait for Joe Biden to get it fixed. We can't vote for this to be fixed in a timely matter. You may see this limited to a few states like California, Colorado and NY, but we'll have to wait for the next administration to fix this. Assuming the next administration isn't Trump for the 3rd time. The other problem is that just because other states haven't passed similar laws, doesn't mean Windows and MacOS won't treat this as something all USA citizens will have to do.

Best way to vote is to make this dysfunctional. I can see people having yet another reason to stick with Windows 7 because it doesn't require age verification. I can see people avoiding to update MacOS just for this reason. I can see Arch based Linux distros have a thing on the AUR to remove it. Win11Debloat will likely remove it as well. It's a stupid law that was never meant to work because the obvious next step is to require identification. Not just photo of face or ID, but you maybe required to login to ID.me. People hate having to login to their Microsoft account, so why wouldn't they have a problem with age verification?
 
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