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A new California law says all operating systems, including Linux, need to have some form of age verification at account setup

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And so it begins.....This will just for now be like when Steam asks you to enter your DoB to view a game.. no actual check...just something to cover their butt, but you know next they will push for integration into actual verification, and Microsoft will probably go ahead, do it, force down Home Users first.....

I wonder how the government of California plans to enforce it?​

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The government of California is implementing a law that requires operating system providers to implement some form of age verification into their account setup procedures.
Assembly Bill No. 1043 was approved by California governor Gavin Newsom in October of last year, and becomes active on January 1, 2027 (via The Lunduke Journal). The bill states, among other factors, that "An operating system provider shall do all of the following:"
"(1) Provide an accessible interface at account setup that requires an account holder to indicate the birth date, age, or both, of the user of that device for the purpose of providing a signal regarding the user’s age bracket to applications available in a covered application store.
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I think that's the last US state to start working on this.

I do like the idea that if it's going to be mandatory that it be in the OS. It's still like choosing which vial of poison you think you might enjoy most though.

None of this is worth it until we make privacy a fundamental human right. I genuinely believe it needs to happen.
 
This is 100% a grab on information so they can use it as a precursor to crack down on speech.
Step 1 require an ID to use the machine, step 2 require it for social media, step 3 cross reference them so they can crack down on speech they don't agree with online.
 
This is going to be messy.

I am not really against the idea or strongly for it either, I just see it being a big ball of twine with a herd of ADHD kittens dosed with cantnip level of mess.

To do it right would take a lot of new tech and infrastructure. A whole lot more than just adding this to Win 11:

#include <iostream>
#include <string>
#include <limits>

// Dont really use - just an AI created example

int getAgeWithAffirmation()
{
int age = 0;
std::string affirmation;

std::cout << "Before proceeding, you must state your age.\n";
std::cout << "How old are you? ";
std::cin >> age;

// Clear input buffer in case of invalid input
if (!std::cin)
{
std::cin.clear();
std::cin.ignore(std::numeric_limits<std::streamsize>::max(), '\n');
std::cout << "Invalid input. Age set to 0.\n";
return 0;
}

// Ask for a “penalty of perjury” affirmation
std::cin.ignore(std::numeric_limits<std::streamsize>::max(), '\n');
std::cout << "\nPlease type the following sentence exactly:\n";
std::cout << "\"I swear under penalty of perjury that the age I provided is true.\"\n";
std::cout << "> ";
std::getline(std::cin, affirmation);

// Check if the user typed the expected affirmation
const std::string required =
"I swear under penalty of perjury that the age I provided is true.";

if (affirmation != required)
{
std::cout << "\nAffirmation not accepted.\n";
return 0;
}

std::cout << "\nThank you. Your stated age is recorded as: " << age << "\n";
return age;
}
 
Bobert said:
Linux distros could simply have a disclaimer during download.

*Not available for download in California, Colorado, Little Saint James, Gavin Newsom's house, Hell etc..
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Then they start legal action for not taking adequate action to block the download of distros in California
 
Lakados said:
Step 1 require an ID to use the machine,
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not sure any ID is involved here, it is parents having the ability to set up child account and a relatively common way for website-application to ask the account age if they want.

has the precusors, people that want to crack down speech will see a door, but there is a list of others reasons parents would want for the state to enforce a system of website-application-OS with different age level, all industry level managed like for movies in most cases and in some exception (gambling and what not) state mandated.
 
Bobert said:
Not sure how they will enforce all of this though. There are probably over 300 versions of linux distros.
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they will only enforce it when there is someone to charge the fine too, ubuntu, redhat type, valve, it will cover almost all the distro, parents that want to set up age account for their childs will just have to use the common one, it will cover most device and all the one parents care about (those they bought for a child)
 
sfsuphysics said:
Seriously? I would think California would be one of the first, and I live in the state.
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I believe it is the only US state so far. Colorado has proposed similar legislation, but there are probably other states considering similar laws.

This has to be a violation of the First and Fifth Amendments. States can require websites to request age verification for booze and gun sites since those have age requirements anyway, but this is blatant individual tracking.

There is enough user data out there that it wouldn't be hard to correlate age, location data, and identity individuals.
 
Axman said:
This has to be a violation of the First and Fifth Amendments. States can require websites to request age verification for booze and gun sites since those have age requirements anyway, but this is blatant individual tracking.
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First ? if you set 1990, 1, 1 as your birthdate for your account (like millions will) ? how much more tracking that the current one being done can occur, this make only sense for parents creating account for their own child (only case of actual birth date being entered) and website/apps do not get to know the actual birthdate, it is only 4 brackets, under 13, 13-15, 16-17, 18+, that not that precise to add much tracking capability.
 
Bobert said:
Linux distros could simply have a disclaimer during download.

*Not available for download in California, Colorado, Little Saint James, Gavin Newsom's house, Hell
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California was the last to move, worship you favourite politicians with every fibre of your being if you wish and hate everyone they tell you to. It won’t make them give a single stray fuck about you. You need to be in the Epstein Class* to have a say.

OS validation is the best way to do this. It’s not good, but it’s the best one.

Axman said:
I believe it is the only US state so far. Colorado has proposed similar legislation, but there are probably other states considering similar laws.
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Edit: Here's a better list than my image: France, UK, Italy, Australia, and China require age verification checks for content. In the United States Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia,
Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Wyoming, all have some form of verification law for access to certain content.

IF OS validation becomes the standard way to do this, I will switch everything to Linux, since Linux is effectively impossible to regulate. If Linux becomes limited due to a lack of validation, I would choose Apple as a distant, very very very distant, second choice. Since they have been in shit multiple times because even they can't access their customer's data. Android would be absolutely and completely out of the question under any circumstances.



*I will be referring to multi billionaires as the Epstein Class from now on and I think everyone else should, too. To their faces. At least until we come up with a radical top-down height reduction program for them.
 
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Twisted Kidney said:
California was the last to move, worship you favourite politicians with every fibre of your being if you wish and hate everyone they tell you to. It won’t make them give a single stray fuck about you.
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Worship? You must have me confused with someone else.
 
Axman said:
Again, porn is already age-restricted. This isn't about making sure users don't access the wrong content, it's about tracking people online.

Sorry for the double post, I'm on the road.
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No, those verification laws are a different animal, those states require proof of validation from the sites and those sites are to keep records of people that access them.

That is probably the single worst way to do this, since it gives every shitty little wank site information that they shouldn't have. Valuable information, imagine data brokers knowing everything right down to your fetish for nude knitting. They already have WAY too much data available. Some states have decently robust data privacy laws, though big data is tying full effect up in court in most cases.

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Let's be honest though, those laws will go away if Super-Citizens like Meta spend enough money on politics.

Privacy needs to be a fundamental human right.
 
LukeTbk said:
not sure any ID is involved here, it is parents having the ability to set up child account and a relatively common way for website-application to ask the account age if they want.

has the precusors, people that want to crack down speech will see a door, but there is a list of others reasons parents would want for the state to enforce a system of website-application-OS with different age level, all industry level managed like for movies in most cases and in some exception (gambling and what not) state mandated.
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yes and no...

Bill 1043 specifically mentions the user declaring their birthdate or age during account creation, which seems fine.
But under COPPA, self-decleration age-gating is ruled as insufficient, as there is nothing stopping a minor from saying they were born in 2003 and not 2013, so they have already declared that developers need some means of verifying the actual age of the user.

covered digital service providers can meet age assurance requirements either by directly checking users’ physical or digitized government-issued IDs or by adopting forms of “commercially reasonable” age verification that use either official IDs or publicly or privately available transactional data such as mortgage, educational, or employment records. Commercially reasonable age verification includes outsourcing to commercial age verification services.

So the California bill says it wants the information in the OS so it can pass it along to websites and services for automated verification, but under other passed laws, a self-declared age is not a valid proof of age, so the online services can't legally accept that and if they did they would be liable, so the OS developers would have to collect some other methods to prove the users age and not rely on a calendar box or anything else the user fills in directly.
 
Wow...they want a signal from the OS? I can't tell if they literally mean all OSes including embedded OSes or what? What happens to people that compile their own OSes? Maybe there's an exception? I can't tell and im not reading all of it in detail...ill ask ai to.
 
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Wow...they want a signal from the OS? I can't tell if they literally mean all OSes including embedded OSes or what? What happens to people that compile their own OSes? Maybe there's an exception? I can't tell and im not reading all of it in detail...ill ask ai to.
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I think the idea is that sites that are required to verify user ages would have to look for the signal, and any OS that attempts to use their app or site or whatever would be required to provide that signal or get blocked.

Don't quote me on any of that like it's gospel. The fucking legalese is impenetrable.
 
mullet said:
Never going to happen, pure lunacy.
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Never going to be enforceable. You can download a distro and remove any age verification system.
Axman said:
This has to be a violation of the First and Fifth Amendments. States can require websites to request age verification for booze and gun sites since those have age requirements anyway, but this is blatant individual tracking.
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I would expect there to be some legal push back for these laws. I'd like to know how such a law was able to pass? Who thought this was worth the time to implement it?
Bobert said:
Linux distros could simply have a disclaimer during download.

*Not available for download in California, Colorado, Little Saint James, Gavin Newsom's house, Hell etc..
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Already a distro doing this.
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Flogger23m said:
Why? What is wrong with children using computers? Absolutely nothing wrong with a 10 year old installing an operating system on their own.
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Ain't the children they're worried about. Shlomo warned us. Doesn't anyone find it weird that after he talked about this on live TV we now see governments doing exactly what he said?

View: https://youtu.be/_j7Hp2sIrVw?si=wrtx0UoV-_ayOIZ2
 
There's absolutely no way you're gonna be able to force age verification under an OSS operating system, highlighting just how out of touch politicians really are.
 
Lakados said:
So the California bill says it wants the information in the OS so it can pass it along to websites and services for automated verification, but under other passed laws, a self-declared age is not a valid proof of age, so the online services can't legally accept that and if they did they would be liable, so the OS developers would have to collect some other methods to prove the users age and not rely on a calendar box or anything else the user fills in directly.
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there is 2 different thing (from my very limited understanding)

Illegal for minors (say porn in some place, gambling and what not) those must age strong verification, here it is more for parents setups something and a platform decide by itself to not allow people of age x-y-z (on their own, think some movie theater and mpaa rating that something they do without any laws telling them to do so, while some movie theater do not care). some website in some states will not be able to rely on the OS account age, because that only a fully voluntary form of parental control.
 
Mazzspeed said:
There's absolutely no way you're gonna be able to force age verification under an OSS operating system, highlighting just how out of touch politicians really are.
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From what i understand they are not, that only for parents that want to try to create a child account for their child, the parents that want it will choose an OSS that offer it and will try/assume the kids will not rootkit in some ways, they will only enforce that what ship on device, major distro (the steamOS/ubuntu) does it.

And the oss that will have it to not get fined, will be volonturay age verification, not forced (i.e. you can say 18+ without any id or picture or anything)
 
Mazzspeed said:
There's absolutely no way you're gonna be able to force age verification under an OSS operating system, highlighting just how out of touch politicians really are.
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Don't worry, they'll make it illegal to use an os online that doesn't send the signal. Don't send it but access a website? Jail time or heavy fines for you!
 
So verify your age... gives you a unique token identifier tied to your OS, it's not going to be as simple as a "21+ cookie", this token will be used by every webbrowser as well, it has to because "the whole purpose" is to make sure you're old enough to buy game X... at least that's the "think about the children" display. But how long until websites find a way to look at that token now they have a personal identifier of everyone who visits the site, or any site for that matter since that information will be currency that will be shared. VPN? Absolutely useless because the token is tied to your OS
 
An age is easy to fake. Unless they have some plan to integrate with national DMV records, it’s not going to do anything.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Don't worry, they'll make it illegal to use an os online that doesn't send the signal. Don't send it but access a website? Jail time or heavy fines for you!
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Unlikely.

LukeTbk said:
From what i understand they are not, that only for parents that want to try to create a child account for their child, the parents that want it will choose an OSS that offer it and will try/assume the kids will not rootkit in some ways, they will only enforce that what ship on device, major distro (the steamOS/ubuntu) does it.

And the oss that will have it to not get fined, will be volonturay age verification, not forced (i.e. you can say 18+ without any id or picture or anything)
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Such functionality already exists under Windows, good luck removing your child's account from the family account however once they're over 16yo, back when I tried it simply didn't work and MS weren't interested in fixing it.
 
DukenukemX said:
I would expect there to be some legal push back for these laws. I'd like to know how such a law was able to pass? Who thought this was worth the time to implement it?
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SCOTUS will go right along with it. All of this is due to the desire track every movement we make.
DukenukemX said:
Shlomo warned us. Doesn't anyone find it weird that after he talked about this on live TV we now see governments doing exactly what he said?
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He isn't warning us. He's trying to convince you that locking all of the platforms down is a good thing. That's why they bought Tik-Tok and that's also why you're seeing such media consolidation. The oligarchs and others want a mass surveillance state.
 
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